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The Real House of Saud - Saudi Arabia's Oil-For-Tyranny[W:43]

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Meet the new head of the United Nations panel on Human Rights: the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Abby Martin takes us inside the brutal reality of this police-state monarchy, and tells the untold people's history of resistance to it. With a major, catastrophic war in Yemen and looming high-profile executions of activists, The Empire Files exposes true nature of the U.S.-Saudi love affair. teleSUR
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We should not be directly supporting this ****ed up regime militarily.. When it comes to the empire economic interests trump humanitarian interests any day, and that is a damn shame. We should not be directly propping up this kingdom. "History has not been kind for kings", and one day their time will come.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
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We should not be directly supporting this ****ed up regime militarily.. When it comes to the empire economic interests trump humanitarian interests any day, and that is a damn shame. We should not be directly propping up this kingdom. "History has not been kind for kings", and one day their time will come.
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Our support for the House of Saud is one of the few good things we do on the world stage.
 
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Paleocon said:
Our support for the House of Saud is one of the few good things we do on the world stage.
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What makes you say this?
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
What makes you say this?
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Because Saudi Arabia is one of the few regimes in the world that functions and is organized as a state should.
 
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They are an unfortunate bedfellow. In apology, I offer that they (the government) cooperate against terrorism and we need a seat at the Mideast table. Also, they're willing to progress socially - slowly (similar to China).
 
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Paleocon said:
Because Saudi Arabia is one of the few regimes in the world that functions and is organized as a state should.
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You advocate an absolute monarchy based on radical religious law?
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
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We should not be directly supporting this ****ed up regime militarily.. When it comes to the empire economic interests trump humanitarian interests any day, and that is a damn shame. We should not be directly propping up this kingdom. "History has not been kind for kings", and one day their time will come.
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"The oil must flow." :shrug:

Besides, the House of Saud is basically the only thing keeping Iran in check, and preventing the whole of the Arabian Peninsula from collapsing into the same kind of fundamentalist anarchy presently being seen in Iraq. They're a necessary geopolitical evil at the moment, I'm afraid.

Paleocon said:
Because Saudi Arabia is one of the few regimes in the world that functions and is organized as a state should.
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Perhaps you should simply cut out the middle man here and switch religions. :roll:
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
You advocate an absolute monarchy based on radical religious law?
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Does a bear **** in the woods?

Paleocon is literally only about a half step away from being a full-on totalitarian theocrat.
 
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Saudi Arabia sucks, but they have their uses.

Killing our support for them would be stupid.
 
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Gathomas88 said:
"The oil must flow." :shrug:

Besides, the House of Saud is basically the only thing keeping Iran in check, and preventing the whole of the Arabian Peninsula from collapsing into the same kind of fundamentalist anarchy presently being seen in Iraq. They're a necessary geopolitical evil at the moment, I'm afraid.
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There isnt a whole lot of difference between the totalitarianism of Iran and the Saudis, they are birds of the same feather- the only difference is one is friendlier to us than the other (and Iran's hostility to us is because we messed with their country for the oil).
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
You advocate an absolute monarchy based on radical religious law?
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Monarchy is the best form of government. And while I don't approve of their religion, I respect that they take it seriously, and are generally God-fearing people. Would that we were like them.
 
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Van Basten said:
Saudi Arabia sucks, but they have their uses.

Killing our support for them would be stupid.
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You think you are using them?
 
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Paleocon said:
Monarchy is the best form of government. And while I don't approve of their religion, I respect that they take it seriously, and are generally God-fearing people. Would that we were like them.
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You're joking, right?
 
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Paleocon said:
Monarchy is the best form of government. And while I don't approve of their religion, I respect that they take it seriously, and are generally God-fearing people. Would that we were like them.
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Well thank god you are not in charge
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Well thank god you are not in charge
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Not watching that whole video, but atheism is much more like an opiate, in that it disconnects one from reality and makes one content with the most outrageous evils.
 
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Paleocon said:
Not watching that whole video, but atheism is much more like an opiate, in that it disconnects one from reality and makes one content with the most outrageous evils.
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Its music. You can listen to it while you promote theocracy.
 
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PoS said:
There isnt a whole lot of difference between the totalitarianism of Iran and the Saudis, they are birds of the same feather- the only difference is one is friendlier to us than the other (and Iran's hostility to us is because we messed with their country for the oil).
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To be fair, there is a bit of a difference between the two, simply in that Iran's government actually is modeled after the modern Republican example, albeit in a rather authoritarian form. Saudi Arabia is authoritarian in the more traditional monarchical sense.

I would agree that neither really holds much moral "high ground" over the other, however. One simply happens to be our ally, where the other is not.

As far as the 1953 coup is concerned, I really don't care much for the issue one way or the other. Mosaddegh was moving to align Iran with the Soviets, and was frankly kind of an incompetent boob besides. If the coup hadn't removed him from power before he could make any major public missteps, he'd likely be remembered as being little more than just another petty Middle Eastern despot with delusions of grandeur. We probably did the guy a favor by making him a martyr instead, all things considered.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
We should not be directly supporting this ****ed up regime militarily.. When it comes to the empire economic interests trump humanitarian interests any day, and that is a damn shame. We should not be directly propping up this kingdom. "History has not been kind for kings", and one day their time will come.
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i'd say the same thing about england
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
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We should not be directly supporting this ****ed up regime militarily.. When it comes to the empire economic interests trump humanitarian interests any day, and that is a damn shame. We should not be directly propping up this kingdom. "History has not been kind for kings", and one day their time will come.
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True or not, what we really need is for them to collaps in the middle of the chaos in the region leaving only the Shiite Theocracy standing. That will be interesting to watch, though, I think that the excitement is enough fun for the moment.
 
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yep/ I'm content wit the "special relationship" started by FDR with SA..It's not our business to tell them how to run their country.

They have been reliable allies for the most part (and please don't start with ISIL) -but as was said their main
use is countering Iranian expansionism, and now Russian attempts to set up a power axis
of Iran/Iran/Syria, and Lebanon ( thru Hezbollah)

U.S.-Saudi Relations - Council on Foreign Relations
 
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Paleocon said:
Our support for the House of Saud is one of the few good things we do on the world stage.
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I do not know that it is unqualifiedly "good" to stand by the House of Saud and thought Condellezza Rice had a point, when she tried to nudge thm towards a more democratic order. But it is certainly better than letting another old ally fall. There are just a lot of people around that like to be guhlish about US activities.
 
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Paleocon said:
Because Saudi Arabia is one of the few regimes in the world that functions and is organized as a state should.
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I do not know that it is one of the only ones in the world, but in a historically volatile region they have been a pillar of stability.
 
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ecofarm said:
They are an unfortunate bedfellow. In apology, I offer that they (the government) cooperate against terrorism and we need a seat at the Mideast table. Also, they're willing to progress socially - slowly (similar to China).
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Their progress is really glacial, but in the other points I should say you are right on.
 
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ecofarm said:
I offer that they (the government) cooperate against terrorism and we need a seat at the Mideast table.
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Or support it, as is the case in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria albeit covertly.

This human rights abusing regime is deeply complicit in the rise of Islamist extremism too. Following the Soviet invasion, the export of the fundamentalist Saudi interpretation of Islam – Wahhabism – fused with Afghan Pashtun tribal code and helped to form the Taliban. The Saudi monarchy would end up suffering from blowback as al-Qaida eventually turned against the kingdom.

Chatham House professor Paul Stevens says: “For a long time, there was an unwritten agreement … whereby al-Qaida’s presence was tolerated in Saudi Arabia, but don’t piss inside the tent, piss outside.” Coates Ulrichsen warns that Saudi policy on Syria could be “Afghanistan on steroids”, as elements of the regime have turned a blind eye to where funding for anti-Assad rebels ends up.
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To really combat terror, end support for Saudi Arabia | Owen Jones | Comment is free | The Guardian
 
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