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Obama & Putin Spar at U.N.: Will Regime Change in Syria Further Destabilize War-Torn?

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Democracynow.org - President Barack Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin held their first formal meeting in two years on Monday in New York to discuss Syria and Ukraine. During the 90-minute meeting, Obama and Putin agreed that their armed forces should hold talks to avoid coming into conflict in Syria, where fighting has killed more than 200,000 people and displaced millions. Both leaders addressed the United Nations Monday, with Putin defending Russia’s support for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, and Obama expressing willingness to work with Russia to resolve the crisis in Syria. According to reports, however, the United States ignored a Russian offer in 2012 to have Assad step aside at some point after peace talks had started between the regime and the opposition. And former Finnish president and Nobel Peace Prize laureate Martti Ahtisaari has said Western powers failed to seize on the 2012 proposal because the United States, Britain and France were convinced that the Syrian dictator was about to fall. Since then, tens of thousands more have been killed, and militants from ISIL have seized swaths of Syria. We talk about the crisis in Syria and the Obama-Putin meeting with Vijay Prashad, professor of international studies at Trinity College and columnist for the Indian magazine Frontline. He also is the author of several books, including "Arab Spring, Libyan Winter."


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Obama & Putin Spar at U.N.: Will Regime Change in Syria Further Destabilize War-Torn?


One president is held to one standard (Sisi) while Assad is held to another. One country (Saudi Arabia) is held to a standard, while Iran is held to another. Hypocrisy of the US foreign policy and excuse for its alliances in the region expose themselves.
 
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so because saudi arabia is a bloodthirsty dictatorship, it's ok for syria to be a bloodthirsty dictatorship, and ok for iran to be a bloodthirsty dictatorship with nuclear weapons? no, no, foreign policy differs based on the foreign power being related to. one size does not fit all. everyone is not equal. every nation is not equal.


One president is held to one standard (Sisi) while Assad is held to another. One country (Saudi Arabia) is held to a standard, while Iran is held to another. Hypocrisy of the US foreign policy and excuse for its alliances in the region expose themselves.
 
Re: Obama & Putin Spar at U.N.: Will Regime Change in Syria Further Destabilize War-T

so because saudi arabia is a bloodthirsty dictatorship, it's ok for syria to be a bloodthirsty dictatorship, and ok for iran to be a bloodthirsty dictatorship with nuclear weapons? no, no, foreign policy differs based on the foreign power being related to. one size does not fit all. everyone is not equal. every nation is not equal.

No..... :naughty
You can have diplomatic relations with countries that both support and do not support human rights violations, but you should not actively promote those diplomatic relations with countries militarily that are committing human rights violations, especially when your countries (really is my country, USA) military aid and intelligence assists in those human rights violations.
 
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No..... :naughty
You can have diplomatic relations with countries that both support and do not support human rights violations, but you should not actively promote those diplomatic relations with countries militarily that are committing human rights violations, especially when your countries (really is my country, USA) military aid and intelligence assists in those human rights violations.

Our military aid and intelligence sharing does not assist in human rights violations. Saudi Arabia has enough money and assets to do all the horrific things they want without having to ask us for help.

International Relations is a quagmire of contradictions. Always has been, and always will be.

It is disingenuous to compare our relationship with different countries as if they were equal or should be equated in some reasoning of "all things being equal", because all things are not equal, ever, in International Relations.

Our friend today can be our enemy tomorrow, and vice versa, dependent upon the needs of our national security at that point in time. International Relations importance of issues is fluid and dynamic. At no given point will historical record be usable to predict future needs, or future cooperation. An example, in addition to Saudi Arabia, is our "friendly" relations and trade with both China and Taiwan although they are mortal enemies. Similar to how we are "friends" with both India and Pakistan, which if a nuclear war were to be fought, there is a better than average chance that it would start with these two countries attacking each other.
 
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Our military aid and intelligence sharing does not assist in human rights violations.
Yes it does. Those arms we provide, intel we promote, black sites we use.

Saudi Arabia has enough money and assets to do all the horrific things they want without having to ask us for help.
Domestically? Yes.
Foreign, militarily? No. Hence why we use them.

International Relations is a quagmire of contradictions. Always has been, and always will be.
For us, yes. Hence why I, and many others, call on it to be changed.

It is disingenuous to compare our relationship with different countries as if they were equal or should be equated in some reasoning of "all things being equal", because all things are not equal, ever, in International Relations.
Seems like a ver easy excuse for just about anything.... "They arent equal.. BUt we are the best...."

Our friend today can be our enemy tomorrow, and vice versa, dependent upon the needs of our national security at that point in time.

I thnk you are forgetting many key variables..........
1.)$$$$$
2.)Oil
3.)Military industrial complex (play into all three)

International Relations importance of issues is fluid and dynamic. At no given point will historical record be usable to predict future needs, or future cooperation. An example, in addition to Saudi Arabia, is our "friendly" relations and trade with both China and Taiwan although they are mortal enemies. Similar to how we are "friends" with both India and Pakistan, which if a nuclear war were to be fought, there is a better than average chance that it would start with these two countries attacking each other.
So... Why should I buy into this theory? Really didnt give any reasons....
 
Re: Obama & Putin Spar at U.N.: Will Regime Change in Syria Further Destabilize War-T

Yes it does. Those arms we provide, intel we promote, black sites we use.
Link? Proof?


Domestically? Yes.
Foreign, militarily? No. Hence why we use them.
What?


For us, yes. Hence why I, and many others, call on it to be changed.
You misunderstood, if you think it CAN be changed. It cannot. It is what it is, and will not, cannot change.


Seems like a ver easy excuse for just about anything.... "They arent equal.. BUt we are the best...."
Who said that?



I thnk you are forgetting many key variables..........
1.)$$$$$
2.)Oil
3.)Military industrial complex (play into all three)
Ahhhh, the evil money monster for which all is blamed. The boogyman that is more controlled in this country than anywhere else in the world, regardless of what most folks think.


So... Why should I buy into this theory? Really didnt give any reasons....
Buying into it or not will have no effect on the truth. Do some research about International Relations (IR). Use that term when looking for material to read. Not Foreign policy or foreign relations, but International Relations. It took me years of being immersed within it for me to understand how IR has nothing to do with what you or I would call reality of daily life.
 
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