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Taliban captures key northern Afghan city of Kunduz......

Unless if there is a new influenza strain that influences the brain and causes people to reject the Koran, there will be US troops in Afghanistan beyond 2126.
 
Natan said:
Unless if there is a new influenza strain that influences the brain and causes people to reject the Koran, there will be US troops in Afghanistan beyond 2126.
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That's alright, by then we will have learned to terra-form a planet and colonize it. Then we will have a solution and an answer. Which we will somehow forget all about that colony.

We will call it Kepler (add numbers).....When they return we will know it as the Klingon Homeworld.
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MMC said:
Mornin Natan. :2wave: Whats surprising is BO Team is now talking about our Troopers will need to stay beyond 2016. Of course this was where BO peep said War needed to be waged. Which was before he lost it for us.
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But, juts months ago the White House was praising the work, suggesting all was over and done, peace was won.

OK< guys, when George Bush left office, the Taliban were hiding in ****ing caves, Iraq was more or less stable, and there was no ISIS.

Under Obama we have renewed insurgence for the supposedly dead Taliban, most of Iraq and Syria are under ISIS control, with strongholds across Egypt and into the "regime changed" Libya.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Under Obama we have renewed insurgence for the supposedly dead Taliban, most of Iraq and Syria are under ISIS control, with strongholds across Egypt and into the "regime changed" Libya.
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I thought it was the neocons who originally wanted all these places "regime changed". They got what they wanted, why complain? Because Obama is president? They would have done better, I am sure of that.
 
Natan said:
I thought it was the neocons who originally wanted all these places "regime changed". They got what they wanted, why complain? Because Obama is president? They would have done better, I am sure of that.
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Why do you ask me?

The post is nothing but a partisan bait about neocons and I could care less about that, The on going history argument is what's turning your country into mush. Please save these petty and shallow posts for people who like being shallow.

Good bye
 
I am not American, do not support any party, voted neither for Kodos nor Ordos, yet you praise Bush's regime change which put in place puppet regimes as card house governments, and you blame Obama because the wind comes along naturally and blows the cards away? And I am called a partisan baiter?

Obama and Bush both suck, face reality for once in your life.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Why do you ask me?

The post is nothing but a partisan bait about neocons and I could care less about that, The on going history argument is what's turning your country into mush. Please save these petty and shallow posts for people who like being shallow.

Good bye
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Natan said:
I am not American, do not support any party, voted neither for Kodos nor Ordos, yet you praise Bush's regime change which put in place puppet regimes as card house governments, and you blame Obama because the wind comes along naturally and blows the cards away? And I am called a partisan baiter?

Obama and Bush both suck, face reality for once in your life.
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Knock off the personal and off-topic comments.
 
Fearandloathing said:
But, juts months ago the White House was praising the work, suggesting all was over and done, peace was won.

OK< guys, when George Bush left office, the Taliban were hiding in ****ing caves, Iraq was more or less stable, and there was no ISIS.

Under Obama we have renewed insurgence for the supposedly dead Taliban, most of Iraq and Syria are under ISIS control, with strongholds across Egypt and into the "regime changed" Libya.
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Heya F&L, :2wave: Up until a couple months ago. BO peep was still going with the Strategy that he would still draw down the SOFA troops to about 1000. Then Daesh showed up with the recruitment. Happening Right there.

Now he has no choice to do what he does naturally. Shift Policy and or Reset.
 
MMC said:
This is a major blow to the Government of Afghanistan. We dropped in for a few Airstrikes and 30 minutes ago Government forces were trying to take back the city. The Taliban has just stepped it up a notch and this is after AQ pledged allegiance with them. What say ye?





The Taliban captured most of the city of Kunduz in northern Afghanistan on Monday, raising fresh concerns about the country's ability to provide its own security.

Most of Kunduz "is in the hand of terrorists. We have sent reinforcements, and the ultimate goal is to launch operations and clear the city," Interior Ministry spokesman Sediq Sediqqi said in an email.

If the Taliban consolidates control over the entire city, it would be the first time the group seized a major city in Afghanistan since the Taliban was pushed from power by a U.S.-led coalition in 2001.....snip~

Taliban captures key northern Afghan city of Kunduz
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The parallels with Iraq are striking: Poor planning, confusing objectives, misreading of the terrain and demographics, neglected the impact of neighbouring nations, naïve to customs-beliefs and the 'way of life', lack of serious investment, didn't state nation building was an objective, and so on....

Perhaps the Russians will get involved:roll:
 
Fearandloathing said:
Hmmm


Not whatever your is.
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"more than half of all Afghans -- 55 percent -- want U.S. forces out of their country, and the sooner the better."
Afghan Public Opinion Turns Sharply Against U.S. Forces

"The only president Afghanistan has known since the 2001 U.S.-led invasion said the United States wanted war in Afghanistan “because of its own interests."... “The war in Afghanistan is to the benefit of foreigners. But Afghans on both sides are the sacrificial lambs and victims of this war.”
Afghanistan?s Karzai criticizes U.S. in farewell speech, says America wants war - The Globe and Mail

However, where did your president say that Afghanistan was destined to fall, and why did he leave? Another "you can keep your plan"?
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What? MY comment was not in direct relation to Obama it was about the war and the people in general.
 
Word is the Afghan gov't has retaken the city.
 
From Thomas Joscelyn's article on Long War Journal, I got the impression the fighting has tipped in favor of the government and U.S. forces, but they don't control Kunduz completely yet. A U.S. airstrike is reported to have killed 15 Taliban.
 
matchlight said:
From Thomas Joscelyn's article on Long War Journal, I got the impression the fighting has tipped in favor of the government and U.S. forces, but they don't control Kunduz completely yet. A U.S. airstrike is reported to have killed 15 Taliban.
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Was that the one around the Airport, ML? :2wave: Thats where they had dug in as best as they could.
 
MMC said:
Heya F&L, :2wave: Up until a couple months ago. BO peep was still going with the Strategy that he would still draw down the SOFA troops to about 1000. Then Daesh showed up with the recruitment. Happening Right there.

Now he has no choice to do what he does naturally. Shift Policy and or Reset.
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This is one of the better out comes. I don't think that the Afghan security forces are ready yet to stand up to the Taliban all on their own.

But at least they are doing better than the Iraqis.
 
MMC said:
Was that the one around the Airport, ML? :2wave: Thats where they had dug in as best as they could.
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The article cites a report that the strike took place on the evening of the 29th--doesn't say exactly where. It was mentioned in connection with a denial that it killed the shadow governor of Kunduz province, a Lashkar-e-Taiba commander named Mullah Abdul Salam.

I have no idea what kind of weapon was used in the strike, but I'm sure it made quite a mess. I wonder if any self-respecting buzzard would eat the remains.
 
eohrnberger said:
This is one of the better out comes. I don't think that the Afghan security forces are ready yet to stand up to the Taliban all on their own.

But at least they are doing better than the Iraqis.
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Doesnt the Taliban control a good portion of Afghanistan, just like ISIS in Iraq?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Doesnt the Taliban control a good portion of Afghanistan, just like ISIS in Iraq?
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While true, the Iraqis run away (due to their politically motivated military leader appointments), where the Afghans stand and fight (and fight more effectively).
 
I happened to see this article on Long War Journal today and thought I'd share it:

Islamic Jihad Union participated in siege of Kunduz | The Long War Journal

I couldn't help but think that some of those photos show what look like very profitable Hellfire targets. I am surprised to see that these rats feel bold enough to walk out in the open during the day like that. With weapons as precise as we have, it is hard to understand how U.S. forces could have struck a hospital and killed 19 people, as they seem to have done, by accident. And yet let the jihadists in the photos apparently went unscathed.

I realize it can't be easy from the air to be sure which of the people the cameras are seeing are bad guys, but can it really be so hard to recruit a few locals who could verify that a particular group being watched is jihadists, so aircraft could quickly be sent to kill them? And is it that hard to keep an armed drone or two up over an important, contested site like the airport, ready to strike enemy fighters on a moment's notice?

I'm reluctant to second-guess our military commanders there, but I wonder if unreasonable limits and red tape are being imposed on them by this administration. I also wonder if they are getting the up-to-date tactical information they need to take quick, effective action against jihadists just as soon as they appear in the open. As for the hospital, the Afghan authorities who say the jihadists were holed up there may be right. Is so, these jihadists were committing a war crime and they are fully responsible for the other deaths. Even so, when there are other rats we could attack from the air without killing medical staff and patients, why not go after them instead?
 
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