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What Should be done in the Middle East...

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War is perpetual in the Middle East. I don't think anyone can really dispute that. This leaves me with a pontification...what exactly does any outsider stand to gain from sending troops and money? Leave it be. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. I do feel that the left and right in my nation have been too quick to jump onto the meddle wagon and should leave it alone, regardless of who is killing who. We have nothing to gain, we have too much to lose, and the Middle East does not appreciate it. At least over time it has not been much of a benefit.

So. Maybe I'm just ranting? But what do you think?
 
stonewall50 said:
War is perpetual in the Middle East. I don't think anyone can really dispute that. This leaves me with a pontification...what exactly does any outsider stand to gain from sending troops and money? Leave it be. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. I do feel that the left and right in my nation have been too quick to jump onto the meddle wagon and should leave it alone, regardless of who is killing who. We have nothing to gain, we have too much to lose, and the Middle East does not appreciate it. At least over time it has not been much of a benefit.

So. Maybe I'm just ranting? But what do you think?
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The Mongols had the right idea.

Unfortunately we can no longer wage war the way they did because we in the West have become a weak and lilly-livered race of people.

But that's what should be done.
 
soot said:
The Mongols had the right idea.

Unfortunately we can no longer wage war the way they did because we in the West have become a weak and lilly-livered race of people.

But that's what should be done.
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Ride around raping and pillaging various villages? Count me in!
 
stonewall50 said:
War is perpetual in the Middle East. I don't think anyone can really dispute that. This leaves me with a pontification...what exactly does any outsider stand to gain from sending troops and money? Leave it be. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. I do feel that the left and right in my nation have been too quick to jump onto the meddle wagon and should leave it alone, regardless of who is killing who. We have nothing to gain, we have too much to lose, and the Middle East does not appreciate it. At least over time it has not been much of a benefit.

So. Maybe I'm just ranting? But what do you think?
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Mostly we should just GTFO. Every time we monkey in the region, it comes back to bite us in the ass. An infinity war is not beneficial to us in the least and in fact plays into the propaganda and political strife in the region that gives birth to terrorists and terrorist organizations.

It's time to just back away, they're just not our problem and we shouldn't pretend they are.
 
stonewall50 said:
War is perpetual in the Middle East. I don't think anyone can really dispute that. This leaves me with a pontification...what exactly does any outsider stand to gain from sending troops and money? Leave it be. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. I do feel that the left and right in my nation have been too quick to jump onto the meddle wagon and should leave it alone, regardless of who is killing who. We have nothing to gain, we have too much to lose, and the Middle East does not appreciate it. At least over time it has not been much of a benefit.

So. Maybe I'm just ranting? But what do you think?
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We were pretty hands-off for most of the 1990s, and then 9/11 happened. We can't really afford to wash our hands of Middle Eastern affairs at this point. It's easy to think that what goes on half the world away won't harm, but that's not how the world operates anymore. If not directly threatening to us, terrorist still pose a danger to Europe (consider what happens if ISIS grows strong enough Turkey: as a NATO country, we'd be obligated to intervene).

That being said, we could fix how we've gone about intervention in the Middle East. In my opinion, we shouldn't have bogged ourselves down in a long-term occupation of Afghanistan, we shouldn't have invaded Iraq, and we should have built a coalition of Arab countries to stabilize Libya and hunt down jihadist militias once Gaddafi fell. Our current strategy of helping Middle Easterners help themselves in their fight against ISIS rather than doing it for them is as shrewd as we can get.
 
We should talk the Israelis into moving to the US...maybe give them a State...I think they would do well with California.

Then we should break off all ties with all Middle Eastern countries...don't let any of them come to the US.

I give them 50 years and they'll all be dead or living back in the stone-age again.
 
my opinion is that the US should get out of the region and let it stabilize.

unfortunately, there is no likely candidate on either side who supports this idea. they all want to expand foreverwar.
 
What should be done.....is forcing those in the ME, to redraw borderlines making them into smaller States/Countries.

Wherein Sunni will govern Sunni Arabs and Shia will govern Shia Arabs. Not the minority of each ruling over the majority of its opposite. Sunni and Shia electing or giving rulership to their own kind.

It starts with them.

Also the Kurds should be given their own Piece of the ground to. Moreover a neutral state could be created for the Christians and other Arabs that aren't into that sectarian divide. Leaving 3 or 4 countries there in the ME that could act as buffers. Wherein the US or UN can immediately have what they need.....should our presence be required over some interest.

It would mean that the rest of the planet would have to be on the same page.....so that the Arabs cannot mistake. That if they will not do this willingly. Then the rest of the planet will help them change their mind. Their choice.
 
MMC said:
What should be done.....is forcing those in the ME, to redraw borderlines making them into smaller States/Countries.

Wherein Sunni will govern Sunni Arabs and Shia will govern Shia Arabs. Not the minority of each ruling over the majority of its opposite. Sunni and Shia electing or giving rulership to their own kind.

It starts with them.

Also the Kurds should be given their own Piece of the ground to. Moreover a neutral state could be created for the Christians and other Arabs that aren't into that sectarian divide. Leaving 3 or 4 countries there in the ME that could act as buffers. Wherein the US or UN can immediately have what they need.....should our presence be required over some interest.

It would mean that the rest of the planet would have to be on the same page.....so that the Arabs cannot mistake. That if they will not do this willingly. Then the rest of the planet will help them change their mind. Their choice.
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Greetings, MMC. :2wave:

:agree: I may be mistaken, but didn't Britain, when they "ruled the world," inadvertently create some of these problems by drawing borders without taking into consideration the various tribes, with their religious differences, who lived there? I wholeheartedly agree with your suggestion that Shia rule Shia and Sunni rule Sunni, although I don't know how the new Caliphate goal of ruling the entire world, that Iran seems to be working toward, fits into this scenario. They're probably still going to hate both us and Israel, but that's not new. If they insist upon killing each other over religious differences, as they have been doing for over 1,300 years, that's not our problem, and that's not new either! The fact that they are all trying to have nuclear capability now adds a new twist to this mess, though! We need to butt out, if it's not already too late, and quit taking sides in their religious war! :shock:
 
stonewall50 said:
War is perpetual in the Middle East. I don't think anyone can really dispute that. This leaves me with a pontification...what exactly does any outsider stand to gain from sending troops and money? Leave it be. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. I do feel that the left and right in my nation have been too quick to jump onto the meddle wagon and should leave it alone, regardless of who is killing who. We have nothing to gain, we have too much to lose, and the Middle East does not appreciate it. At least over time it has not been much of a benefit.

So. Maybe I'm just ranting? But what do you think?
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Compare, Iraq, Iran, Syria and their very brief experiences of consitutional democracy and you will see a hell of a lot more stability then you see now.
 
polgara said:
Greetings, MMC. :2wave:

:agree: I may be mistaken, but didn't Britain, when they "ruled the world," inadvertently create some of these problems by drawing borders without taking into consideration the various tribes, with their religious differences, who lived there? I wholeheartedly agree with your suggestion that Shia rule Shia and Sunni rule Sunni, although I don't know how the new Caliphate goal of ruling the entire world, that Iran seems to be working toward, fits into this scenario. They're probably still going to hate both us and Israel, but that's not new. If they insist upon killing each other over religious differences, as they have been doing for over 1,300 years, that's not our problem, and that's not new either! The fact that they are all trying to have nuclear capability now adds a new twist to this mess, though! We need to butt out, if it's not already too late, and quit taking sides in their religious war! :shock:
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Still this would reduce a lot of their problems. Furthermore any attacks then would be by state/country upon another and then they take that responsibility for a change. Can be sanctioned, have their monies seized. Be reduced to nothing until their own decide to change out their selected rulers.

Which those other Sunni states can then put on that pressure. As well as any buffer states created.
 
stonewall50 said:
War is perpetual in the Middle East. I don't think anyone can really dispute that. This leaves me with a pontification...what exactly does any outsider stand to gain from sending troops and money? Leave it be. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. I do feel that the left and right in my nation have been too quick to jump onto the meddle wagon and should leave it alone, regardless of who is killing who. We have nothing to gain, we have too much to lose, and the Middle East does not appreciate it. At least over time it has not been much of a benefit.

So. Maybe I'm just ranting? But what do you think?
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Let them fight it out until someone wins. If Israel wants to wade into it and destroy Iran, have at it. So long as none of them attacks americans, we should stay out of it.
 
stonewall50 said:
War is perpetual in the Middle East. I don't think anyone can really dispute that. This leaves me with a pontification...what exactly does any outsider stand to gain from sending troops and money? Leave it be. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. I do feel that the left and right in my nation have been too quick to jump onto the meddle wagon and should leave it alone, regardless of who is killing who. We have nothing to gain, we have too much to lose, and the Middle East does not appreciate it. At least over time it has not been much of a benefit.

So. Maybe I'm just ranting? But what do you think?
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Greetings, stonewall50. :2wave:

Agree 125 percent with your post! :applaud If that's ranting, keep on ranting, since most people agree with you! :thumbs:
 
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