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Russia to Start Bombing in Syria ASAP......[W:84]

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Mr. Invisible said:
It relates to Libya in the sense that the US and its allies want to create another Libya situation, a chaotic place with non stop violence, in Syria.
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why would the US care to do this in Syria? Libya was the "humanitarian war" run wild into regime change ..gross stupidity.
Other than that what was the motivation?

How about for Syria?
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Frum Forum???

Reagan would have been 100 in 2011, and that means... that means.... somehow I don't see what that means.

Reagan made Egypt into a US ally??



That seems to predate the Reagan administration. source



and got away with condemning Israel?

Reagan convinced Saudi Arabia to increase oil production? Just by the force of his charisma, or what?

I think your blogger is making a lot of bricks with very few straws.
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You don't know who Frum is??? Look to the Right on that link and who supports what he has to say. Yes Reagan cemented the Egyptians into our Alliance. All normalization with Egypt came under Reagan. Despite Carter starting the process. Moreover after Iraq, Reagan then helped the Soviets degrading some more with Afghanistan.




The Administration implemented a new policy towards the Soviet Union through NSDD-32 (National Security Decisions Directive) to confront the USSR on three fronts: decrease Soviet access to high technology and diminish their resources, including depressing the value of Soviet commodities on the world market; increase American defense expenditures to strengthen the U.S. negotiating position; and force the Soviets to devote more of their economic resources to defense. Most visible was the massive American military build-up.

Reagan argued that the American economy was on the move again while the Soviet economy had become stagnant. For a while the Soviet decline was masked by high prices for Soviet oil exports, but that crutch collapsed in the early 1980s. In November 1985, the oil price was $30/barrel for crude, in March 1986 it had fallen to $12.[8].

Upon becoming President, Reagan moved quickly to undermine Soviet efforts to subdue the government of Afghanistan, which the Soviet Army had invaded in 1979......snip~

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_policy_of_the_Ronald_Reagan_administration


In 1981, when Israel did strike Iraq, bombing its Osirak nuclear reactor, Reagan backed a U.N. resolution condemning the move. And in 1982, when Israel attacked West Beirut in an effort to destroy Yasir Arafat’s PLO, Reagan told Begin that Israel’s behavior constituted a "holocaust." (Begin, whose parents and older brother were murdered by the Nazis, did not appreciate the line.) .....snip~

Think Again: Ronald Reagan | Foreign Policy
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
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Wait! I thought it was Star Wars!? Wait I thought it was blue jeans!? Wait I thought it was Reagans blowhard speech?! Oh wait, yea it was internal descent and economic stagnation fueled by and accelerated by glasnost and perestroika.... ;)
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Not to mention the arms race. Every historian in the world agrees that military spending crippled them; the US simply spent them into submission
 
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MMC said:
You don't know who Frum is??? Look to the Right on that link and who supports what he has to say. Yes Reagan cemented the Egyptians into our Alliance. All normalization with Egypt came under Reagan. Despite Carter starting the process. Moreover after Iraq, Reagan then helped the Soviets degrading some more with Afghanistan.
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I have to admit, I hadn't heard of Frum, so I looked him up. I found this:

With Guns, the Threatened Can Quickly Become the Threat
At a Florida theater Monday, a retired police officer allegedly killed a man during an argument. The cop probably thought he would prevent a crime with his gun—instead, he caused one.
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Sounds like a liberal anti gun person as well as a believer in the legend of Reagan as a Demi god of the right. That's consistent, as Reagan was the target of a nearly successful assassination attempt.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
I have to admit, I hadn't heard of Frum, so I looked him up. I found this:



Sounds like a liberal anti gun person as well as a believer in the legend of Reagan as a Demi god of the right. That's consistent, as Reagan was the target of a nearly successful assassination attempt.
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That's what you was able to find, huh? Imagine that. Here is what but a few had to say.

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On October 31, 2009, its title was changed to FrumForum.com. In 2012 it was merged into The Daily Beast, where his blog continued. Citing personal reasons shortly after the deaths of his father and father-in-law, Frum suspended his blog on June 3, 2013[25] but resumed writing for The Daily Beast in September 2013.[26]

Frum joined The Atlantic as a senior editor in March 2014.....snip~

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Frum
 
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annata said:
why would the US care to do this in Syria? Libya was the "humanitarian war" run wild into regime change ..gross stupidity.
Other than that what was the motivation?

How about for Syria?
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By destroying Syria, the US harms Iran. Syria is pretty much Iran's only regional ally so if you take Syria out the picture, you do major damage to Iran.

I would argue that it wasn't regime change run wild as the US and its cohorts released an op-ed in the NYT not too soon after the intervention had been granted talking about taking out Gaddafi. (Log In - The New York Times) I would argue that it had more to do with oil as Gaddafi had threatened to kick out the Western oil companies and replace them with Chinese and Russians. (Gadhafi to Kick Out Western Oil Firms, Turning to Russia and China)
 
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Mr. Invisible said:
By destroying Syria, the US harms Iran. Syria is pretty much Iran's only regional ally so if you take Syria out the picture, you do major damage to Iran.

I would argue that it wasn't regime change run wild as the US and its cohorts released an op-ed in the NYT not too soon after the intervention had been granted talking about taking out Gaddafi. (Log In - The New York Times) I would argue that it had more to do with oil as Gaddafi had threatened to kick out the Western oil companies and replace them with Chinese and Russians. (Gadhafi to Kick Out Western Oil Firms, Turning to Russia and China)
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if it wasn't for the west going after Qadaffi, there wouldn't have been a need for him to threaten to expel the western oils.

Recall Qaddafi was in good standing with the world, and was at the 2009 g8 meeting..shook Obama's hand , had dinner with him.
off topic a bit,but I cover Libya extensively here -> Libyan Civil War 2014 - Present | DCJunkies

not the 2011 civil war, the one that started in 2014 due to militia rule ( outcome of the 2011 war). you might find it interesting to scroll thru

There are a lot of players in Syria, one would have to assume the US prefers ISIS to Assad, there are also AQ types like al_Nusra.
So I'm not sure if we would be that stupid to support fragmenting Syria,but I won't argue we couldn't be so.
 
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Fearandloathing said:
Not to mention the arms race. Every historian in the world agrees that military spending crippled them;
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Ummmm no.

the US simply spent them into submission
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This argument has shown to be bunk... Military spending had little to nothing to do with the collapse of the USSR... Gorbachev was looking for way to decrease the military spending of his nation.



"The Soviet Union's defense spending did not rise or fall in response to American military expenditures. Revised estimates by the Central Intelligence Agency indicate that Soviet expenditures on defense remained more or less constant throughout the 1980s. Neither the military buildup under Jimmy Carter and Reagan nor SDI had any real impact on gross spending levels in the USSR... Former Soviet officials insist that Gorbachev's decisions to withdraw Soviet forces from Afghanistan and to end the arms race were made despite the Reagan buildup and SDI." Reagan and the Russians - 94.02

"It might be true that the Soviet Union could not compete with the United States in an arms race, or at least in certain aspects of an arms race, but this is not enough to account for the loss of its Eastern European empire and its own dissolution. During the Reagan era, Soviet military spending did not appreciably increase as a percentage of GNP." Causes of the Soviet Collapse (1979-1991)
 
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The thread has gone off the rails a bit. The topic is not Reagan's ME policy or David Frum, to the exclusion of the discussion set forth by the OP: Russia to Start Bombing in Syria ASAP......

Let's please return to discussing the topic of the thread. Thanks.
 
MMC said:
Has BO and his Team capitulated to the Russians? Clearly we are backing off. I mentioned before that before Putin gets to killing Daesh. You know doing some real degrading. That he is going to go after those uhm well you know that term. The Moderates. Syrian Rebels and remove that thorn from Assad's side.

We just opened Channels and with what Kerry said and BO. It looks like they were more concerned about drawing another line. Putin is filing the vacuum and this will not be good going into the next couple of decades and not with all these ME countries going with nuke power. The Russians let Carter know what they were already in the process of. They didn't wait and I am sure the Europeans and all are seeing this. This is direct slap to the US and BO with his team of misfits, and they are allowing it to happen. What say ye?






The Kremlin’s jets have landed in Syria. The drones are flying. And now, Russian combat forces are on the cusp of fighting to save what’s left of the Damascus regime from ISIS. Russian combat operations on behalf of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad are likely to begin “soon,” three U.S. officials told The Daily Beast. And Russian drone flights to spot targets for potential airstrikes are already underway.

That concession by U.S. officials of growing Russian influence marks a shift from previous statements by officials who said they weren’t sure whether Russia intended to use force in Syria and enter into the country’s long and brutal civil war. There already are early signs that Russia plans to target moderate forces that threaten the Assad regime, not the self-proclaimed Islamic State, which has been the focus of a year-long U.S.-led air campaign.

"Watching the Russians take the initiative is the most clear example yet of the complete abdication of U.S. leadership and responsibility in the region,” Christopher Harmer, a naval analyst at the Washington D.C.-based Institute for the Study of War, told The Daily Beast.....snip~

Russia to Start Bombing in Syria ASAP - The Daily Beast
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Some vids from the airstrikes:

 
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