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Unreported Israeli Terror

again, you point out my fallacy because of what you percieve a specific islamic adherance that cause acts of violence. I contradict that and believe it is the percieved injustice by human beings who happen to be muslim that causes most of this violence. I am sure many of them are made religeous martyrs and religeous justification is provided for their acts but it is ridiculous to make an honest claim that islam is behind this when other believers of other religeons committed much more hanious crimes within the last 100 years. These people, I am sure many of whom, were made martyrs for their faith, buried in accordance to their faith when they died and declared in heaven because they fought and were christian or jewish or whatever, ect.

My information is much more simplistic then that. I am not saying anything about Islamic violence in my sequence of posts. I am not addressing content but, rather, addressing process and style. Your equating things like nuking Japan and the holocaust as violence because of Chritianity is innaccurate and a logical fallacy of the correlation but not causation kind. Islamic violence is, at times, done in the name of religion. Hence the logical fallacy, negating the point that you were trying to make with the comparison.

btw captain cortesy, did you get my question i asked you in the other thred where you highlighted your view of peace in palestine?

Yes. I'm on a short break at work...which will be ending momentarily...so I'll address it later. :2wave:
 
well then I am not arguing against your positions or claims but rather against vader's. I felt inclined to explain not inorder to point you out but because you interceded on his behalf. Your defence does not correlate with vader's as i am sure you know his propagation of issues on this forum is a subject very much revelant to my argument against it.


about the reply, great.. i thought you missed it...
 
i would call you misinformed. And I respect where youre coming from because I respect your Idealism...Knowing muslims, having some intelligent and educated muslim friends in your comunity would contradict most of the general ideas you have been misinformed on due to selective quotations and information.
I live in America and in the Middle East. I have visited every ME/NA Arab nation with the exceptions of KSA and Yemen. I have also been to Pakistan, Iran, and Afghanistan. From my experiences, American Muslims on the whole are much more moderate than ME/NA Muslims.

I can say I hate 'american freedom' because of how the great percentage of cases where women are raped, put in situations where they were exploited, cheated on, beaten, drugged, harassed, murdered ect ect. But I am well informed, thanks to having lived in america, and known a great variety of americans that that is not the 'standard'..i cannot hate american freedom due stereotype or misinformation.
Certainly, there are criminal acts against women in almost any country. What Kelzie was addressing is the condition of ME Muslim women as sanctioned by the state apparatus and enforced by Islamic law.

Prerhaps you missed this thread...
Human Rights Watch Report: Palestinian women victims of violence
http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle-east/15091-hrw-report-palestinian-women-victims-violence.html

You should also read what Her Majesty Queen Noor has to say about 'honor-killings' on her official website.
 
I live in America and in the Middle East. I have visited every ME/NA Arab nation with the exceptions of KSA and Yemen. I have also been to Pakistan, Iran, and Afghanistan. From my experiences, American Muslims on the whole are much more moderate than ME/NA Muslims.


Certainly, there are criminal acts against women in almost any country. What Kelzie was addressing is the condition of ME Muslim women as sanctioned by the state apparatus and enforced by Islamic law.

Prerhaps you missed this thread...
Human Rights Watch Report: Palestinian women victims of violence
http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle-east/15091-hrw-report-palestinian-women-victims-violence.html

You should also read what Her Majesty Queen Noor has to say about 'honor-killings' on her official website.

Yeah. What she said. :2wave:
 
Tashah*,

Well, if you have visited, I have resided ;-)

And I know for a fact that 99% of what is believed to be 'repression of women' is untrue and caused* by misinformation. I would like you to concur if you know so.

99% of muslims also know that not a single state enforces Islamic law, and the only person that has the religeous justification to do that is the Caliph, and an arab caliph has not been around since the destruction of Baghdad in the 13th century by the mongolian hordes and the mass murder of the inhabitants and the erradication of univirsities and libraries. They say the color of the euphrates changed twice that day, once red from all the blood and once black from all the books.

There has been a great deal of criticism by a majority of muslims against those regimes like saudis or the iranians for their improper and wrong implementation of what they call islamic law.

Again, I refuse and refute the claim that muslim women are repressed. Sure there are nutjobs and nutcases all around, but it would be a great disregard of reality to make that general assertion.

As for "her majesty" -- there is no king but God. Mrs. Rania of Jordan has spoken on this issue as has Mrs. Noor. What everyone fails to mention, however is that the 10 or 15 cases annually are of a much lower percentage than something you would find in the United States of Europe or anywhere someone would kill his mate or relative in circumstances relating to sex. How many times have we heard of a drunk american bustin a cap in the bottom of a man who had been ooochi wala walaain' his chick.
My conclusion and point is that selective misinformation propagated by groups of interest (like Jacob's disgusting new thread which i will not honor with a response) has efficiently set such standards of thought.


Kelzie,

Again, I hope there will come a day where you are able to visit occupied palestine and have an honest exchange with the people there. I am sure it will
be an experience that you will be glad you made and one that will negate alot of perceptions that justify your prejudice.




*Edited: spelled yer name tasha again by mistake. eh.
 
i just hope the world doesnt go the way you want it to go, or else we palestinians are done as a people.

“You cant distinguish between civilian and military…” (Jenin)
http://www.debatepolitics.com/472065-post118.html

“here is something i think most palestinians would accept:

Palestinian right of return:…” (Jenin) http://www.debatepolitics.com/472122-post131.html

Jenin, please think, the reason is clear why we do not care to give so-called “Palestinians“ the so-called “right of return.”

“Right of return” would be military conquest or surrender to a military force, by your definition, by infallible logic, since your moral code of warfare “cant distinguish between civilian and military,“ therefore you have proven there is no such thing as a so-called Palestinian “civilian.”

From our perspective, using your logic, the so-called “Palestinians” are simply uncivil barbarians that want conquest or death.

“agreed that palestinians would not have a military.” (Jenin, ibid)

So Jenin, since “you cant distinguish between civilian and military,“ you think that most so-called “Palestinians” would accept destruction of all the Palestinian barbarians? Since you can’t distinguish between so-called “Palestinian” civilian and military, it would not be genocide under international law. :cool:
 
Comedy,

You should revise the selective quotation you have used to make your sarcastic argument. Please revise it and pay attention to the preceeding context I was arguing against.

Thank you
 
Comedy,

You should revise the selective quotation you have used to make your sarcastic argument. Please revise it and pay attention to the preceeding context I was arguing against.

Thank you

Fine, I looked at the context again, and found I agree with Tashah.

“More Palestinian civilians are casualties because of Palestinian tactics. You attack and wage war without uniforms that distinguish military from civilian. You fire rockets from populated areas, and use civilians as defensive shields. Palestinian radio broadcasts appeals for civilian women to flood an area of hostilities. Facilities such as mosques, hospitals, ambulances, and civilian housing quarters are enlisted for military/terrorist purposes. All of the above tactics are classified as War Crimes by the Geneva Conventions. And you have the gall to express anger and indignity that Palestinian casualties are higher?” (Tashah) http://www.debatepolitics.com/472035-post116.html

“You cant distinguish between civilian and military because this is a popular revolution by the people against the occupation. They get shelled for a couple hours like in beit hanoun, 18 people are slaughtered, israel shows regret and it all happens again. Hamas terrorists go bomb some place (although they have refrained from suicide bombings for for 20 months now) and they do it in retaliation for israeli terrorist settlers that kill some palestinians for for some israeli terrorist f-16 bombing or ship shelling or helicopter missile. What will end this is a sincere Israeli withdrawal from occupied land. It has been too long. Let both sides breathe and live. END THE OCCUPATION.” (Jenin) http://www.debatepolitics.com/472065-post118.html

I know what “END THE OCCUPATION” under the Hamas charter means. So “END THE OCCUPATION” will not “end this,” it will only allow the manufacture of more MK- 12 “smart” bombs.

*****

Prior to the creation of the Wesley Clark “bottle” by France, and the insertion of the Wesley Clark “cork” Saddam Hussein, which came after I went to Aviation Electronics School in Memphis when Iranian officers were there taking the same classes, I wore a “G” division red-shirt that said “forward assembly” in abbreviation on the back. While I was wearing the “G” division red-shirt I was a legitimate target under the Geneva Conventions. I just want things to be fair for you guys.

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“Glory be to the Bomb, and to the Holy Fallout. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be. World without end. Amen.”

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As someone familiar with ordinance assembly, and our flight deck uniforms indicative of a US Navy ordinance assembler, I would like at this time to point out the uniform of the barbarian Arab/Muslim enemy forward assembly officer (a legitimate target in warfare). {see the above picture} Notice the distinctive plaid and striped shirts of their various assembly crew, which should be killed on sight. It is also advisable during warfare to destroy their factories before they complete manufacture of the MK- 12 “smart” bomb, which is something Israel has not been very good at. Such practices resulted in the death of an “American” enemy shield of warfare named Rachel. Let me remind you that a shield is as much a weapon of warfare as a sword, as it can be brought down upon the neck.

The MK- 12 “smart” bomb is a highly advanced piece of equipment that is currently undetectable by IFF (identification friend or foe) electronics devices. Due to the failure of the IFF system on 911, and for safety of our military, it is advisable to fire a bullet into the motor control of the Arab/Muslim MK- 12 “smart” bomb unit. Once the MK- 12 “smart” bomb is rendered immobile, use a remote robot for detonation. At times the MK- 12 “smart” bomb is a dud, containing no explosive, resulting in disposal of a perfectly good motor control, that is regrettable, but due to the design of the MK- 12 “smart” bomb such losses are acceptable.

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Occasionally the MK- 12 “smart” bomb has been known to malfunction, so the correct procedure is to disarm it from a distance and to handle the motor gently as civilized Israel has done.

Have a nice day.
 
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