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New Middle East, Old Scenarios

The conflict in Syria and the effects on the region; a late but better than never decision

Ibrahim Alsaafin


It's not the end, it's just the beginning.
The cornerstone was always Israel. After the six days war back in 1967, Israel occupied Golan Heights, besides Sinai peninsula, Jerusalem, West Bank and Gaza Strip. But what really happened in Golan Heights still vague and unknown. The Syrian army withdrawal back then was brief and somehow planned, unlike the Egyptian army in Sinai which suffered heavy losses.
Three years later Hafez Al-Assad, the leader of Baath party and a member of Alawites minority, assumed power. Thereafter a major transformation in the body of the state took over. The Alawite minority started to control all the major joints of the state of Syria. And under the claims of preparing for liberation of the occupied lands, the emergency rule was forced. No reform was even thought of.
In 1973, Arabs started a war against Israel to retrieve their occupied land. Egypt eventually got Sinai back but the Syrians barely moved forward in Golan Heights. A ceasefire was declared and military actions on the front were frozen. Emergency rule remained effective, and the argument always was "Israel".
Clearly, many people in Syria, especially the Sunni majority, weren't happy under the ruling of Baath party and leadership of Hafiz Al-Assad. Muslim Brotherhood decided to start protesting against the state, even in violent means. The Assad reply was not merciful at all; the city of Hama was literally destroyed over the heads of its residents, using the same weapons allegedly prepared for the war against Israel. Afterwards, Al-Assad entertained an absolute power over Syria.
After the ground was stable under the feet of Baath party, Hafiz Al-Assad was working ambitiously to claim the country as his own heritage so he started preparing his eldest son, Bassel, to be the unannounced crown prince. Ambiguously Basil died in a car accident when the second born son was called back from UK –where he was studying Ophthalmology- to be prepared for his new role.
In the year 2000, the father died while Bashar was only 34 years old. Constitutionally he cannot run for presidency before he is 40, but in a banana republic like that a constitution is not an obstacle. Over night the constitution was amended and a referendum was called for where the son gets an easy 97% of the votes, against no opponent. The people somehow rejoiced the idea of a young president who promised the openness to the world and introducing the information technology to the country.
Eleven years later, except for the media controlled openness, nothing seemed different than the era of the father. The Alawite minority are completely controlling everything; the army, the government, the police forces and even the commerce. But the ghosts of Hama were floating around so no one can dare to say a thing. Then the Arab spring started in Tunisia.
Like dominoes, the dictatorships in the Arab world were falling; Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Yemen. Everybody was trying to expect and predict the place of the torch that will burn down another regime in the region. I was secretly wishing it's not Syria. Not because the regime there is tolerant, but because it will definitely be a massacre. Such a regime have everything and not willing to let go, even for part of it. But it started anyway.
The Syrian people started protesting peacefully, asking for reform. For a whole six months, not a single bullet was fired by the protestors who were killed daily in tens. More than 40,000 casualties was a huge number but there was no hope it will stop there. The army soldiers who were ordered to kill the protestors were fleeing the army, because the other option was onsite execution. The army dissidents formed the Free Syrian Army (FSA) to defend the civilians. And then it was a civil war.
Gradually, the struggle concerned the region as Sunni-Shiite conflict, where the Alawite are considered a division of Shiite faith and the Syrian Ba'ath regime was totally supported by the Shiite Iran and Lebanese Hezbullah while the majority of Syrian population, and inherently the casualties were Sunnis. The polarization between the two major divisions of Islamic nations escalated to unprecedented level. Among the Arab world, a decisive battle became an urgent matter, but the governments were unconcerned by those opinions as they are concerned by the American orders, which never were positive. The Arabs intervention remained limited to the individuals who cross the borders to join Al-Nusra Front.
Meanwhile in the world, Politicians and world leaders were arguing and discussing an intervention in Syria. An intervention supposed to stop the bloodshed. But the conflict of interest stalled such a thing for about two years so far. At the time the Syrian regime was supplied by military logistics from Iran and Russia, and by militants from Iraq, Iran and Lebanon, Al-Nusra Front (a military group of non-Syrian fighters against Assad regime) was decided to be on terror list of the European Union. The FSA was left alone, supported by "hotel" opposition members gathered in Turkey to claim the voice of the nation.
Almost two years of short and long political statements with no one seems to do a thing. But all the sudden, Sunni clerics gathered in Cairo, Egypt to declare Jihad in the very same day the United States decides to arm the Syrian opposition because now, just now, they realized that Syrian regime crossed the red line. Is it the 100,000 deaths as per UN report that was the red line? Or is it the confirmation of the use of chemical weapons by the regime? I think it's neither this or that. It's just a scenario to be re-written.
In a similar fashion in the middle of the eighties, clerics called for jihad in Afghanistan, the united stated armed the mujahedeen, and we all know the end of the story in September 11, 2001. Or it was just another beginning?
Does the old version of war on terror exhausted its objectives and a new objectives to be set for the next decade? The world knows now that Al Qaeda is represented in Syria, then why repeating the same scenario all over again? The new middle east appears to be a process, a lengthy and painful but deliberate one. A new Middle East where Israel is a dominant power surrounded by weak overstrained states and lost people. The piece process in the middle east was meant to last over twenty years for a reason; gain more time to establish new facts on the ground, and there were them.
 
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New Middle East, Old Scenarios

The conflict in Syria and the effects on the region; a late but better than never decision

Ibrahim Alsaafin


It's not the end, it's just the beginning.
The cornerstone was always Israel. After the six days war back in 1967, Israel occupied Golan Heights, besides Sinai peninsula, Jerusalem, West Bank and Gaza Strip. But what really happened in Golan Heights still vague and unknown. The Syrian army withdrawal back then was brief and somehow planned, unlike the Egyptian army in Sinai which suffered heavy losses.
Three years later Hafez Al-Assad, the leader of Baath party and a member of Alawites minority, assumed power. Thereafter a major transformation in the body of the state took over. The Alawite minority started to control all the major joints of the state of Syria. And under the claims of preparing for liberation of the occupied lands, the emergency rule was forced. No reform was even thought of.
In 1973, Arabs started a war against Israel to retrieve their occupied land. Egypt eventually got Sinai back but the Syrians barely moved forward in Golan Heights. A ceasefire was declared and military actions on the front were frozen. Emergency rule remained effective, and the argument always was "Israel".
Clearly, many people in Syria, especially the Sunni majority, weren't happy under the ruling of Baath party and leadership of Hafiz Al-Assad. Muslim Brotherhood decided to start protesting against the state, even in violent means. The Assad reply was not merciful at all; the city of Hama was literally destroyed over the heads of its residents, using the same weapons allegedly prepared for the war against Israel. Afterwards, Al-Assad entertained an absolute power over Syria.
After the ground was stable under the feet of Baath party, Hafiz Al-Assad was working ambitiously to claim the country as his own heritage so he started preparing his eldest son, Bassel, to be the unannounced crown prince. Ambiguously Basil died in a car accident when the second born son was called back from UK –where he was studying Ophthalmology- to be prepared for his new role.
In the year 2000, the father died while Bashar was only 34 years old. Constitutionally he cannot run for presidency before he is 40, but in a banana republic like that a constitution is not an obstacle. Over night the constitution was amended and a referendum was called for where the son gets an easy 97% of the votes, against no opponent. The people somehow rejoiced the idea of a young president who promised the openness to the world and introducing the information technology to the country.
Eleven years later, except for the media controlled openness, nothing seemed different than the era of the father. The Alawite minority are completely controlling everything; the army, the government, the police forces and even the commerce. But the ghosts of Hama were floating around so no one can dare to say a thing. Then the Arab spring started in Tunisia.
Like dominoes, the dictatorships in the Arab world were falling; Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Yemen. Everybody was trying to expect and predict the place of the torch that will burn down another regime in the region. I was secretly wishing it's not Syria. Not because the regime there is tolerant, but because it will definitely be a massacre. Such a regime have everything and not willing to let go, even for part of it. But it started anyway.
The Syrian people started protesting peacefully, asking for reform. For a whole six months, not a single bullet was fired by the protestors who were killed daily in tens. More than 40,000 casualties was a huge number but there was no hope it will stop there. The army soldiers who were ordered to kill the protestors were fleeing the army, because the other option was onsite execution. The army dissidents formed the Free Syrian Army (FSA) to defend the civilians. And then it was a civil war.
Gradually, the struggle concerned the region as Sunni-Shiite conflict, where the Alawite are considered a division of Shiite faith and the Syrian Ba'ath regime was totally supported by the Shiite Iran and Lebanese Hezbullah while the majority of Syrian population, and inherently the casualties were Sunnis. The polarization between the two major divisions of Islamic nations escalated to unprecedented level. Among the Arab world, a decisive battle became an urgent matter, but the governments were unconcerned by those opinions as they are concerned by the American orders, which never were positive. The Arabs intervention remained limited to the individuals who cross the borders to join Al-Nusra Front.
Meanwhile in the world, Politicians and world leaders were arguing and discussing an intervention in Syria. An intervention supposed to stop the bloodshed. But the conflict of interest stalled such a thing for about two years so far. At the time the Syrian regime was supplied by military logistics from Iran and Russia, and by militants from Iraq, Iran and Lebanon, Al-Nusra Front (a military group of non-Syrian fighters against Assad regime) was decided to be on terror list of the European Union. The FSA was left alone, supported by "hotel" opposition members gathered in Turkey to claim the voice of the nation.
Almost two years of short and long political statements with no one seems to do a thing. But all the sudden, Sunni clerics gathered in Cairo, Egypt to declare Jihad in the very same day the United States decides to arm the Syrian opposition because now, just now, they realized that Syrian regime crossed the red line. Is it the 100,000 deaths as per UN report that was the red line? Or is it the confirmation of the use of chemical weapons by the regime? I think it's neither this or that. It's just a scenario to be re-written.
In a similar fashion in the middle of the eighties, clerics called for jihad in Afghanistan, the united stated armed the mujahedeen, and we all know the end of the story in September 11, 2001. Or it was just another beginning?
Does the old version of war on terror exhausted its objectives and a new objectives to be set for the next decade? The world knows now that Al Qaeda is represented in Syria, then why repeating the same scenario all over again? The new middle east appears to be a process, a lengthy and painful but deliberate one. A new Middle East where Israel is a dominant power surrounded by weak overstrained states and lost people. The piece process in the middle east was meant to last over twenty years for a reason; gain more time to establish new facts on the ground, and there were them.

No nation should arm the rebels. The rebels started this on their own they can finish it own their own, they have been using chemical weapons as well as the regime making them just as guilty. Obama and western leaders say that they'll "arm the moderate rebels" yet you cannot tell which rebels are moderate or islamist. I am by no means defending the regime but I am opposed to both sides. Yes I think that if the rebels come to power there will be an increase in Islamist activity in Syria and we may a 9/11 style attack on a western nation. An intervention in Syria will simply cause outrage from Muslims again and stir up more hated of the US.


Two things the rebels have done:
BBC News - Outrage at Syrian rebel shown 'eating soldier's heart'
Syrian rebels aim to use chemical weapons, blame Damascus ? report ? RT News.

Two things the regime has done:
Yahoo! News UK & Ireland - Latest World News & UK News Headlines
Houla massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Which is worse?
Bad as each other in my opinion
 
I'm not sure I fully understand your bottom line. Do you think the world should sit back and let things resolve itself in Syria while dozens die each day in a bloody civil war that doesn't look like its going to end any time soon? Should Assad be allowed to gas his own people? What is in your opinion the right way for other nations to handle whats going on in Syria?
 
Which is worse?
Bad as each other in my opinion

from nonobjective point of view, I sympathize with the rebels. the protests started peaceful and for six months no militant action was taken from the opposition side. on contrary, during the first 6 months more than 40,000 civilians were killed and more than 10,000 were reported missing.
the Syrian regime has ethnic motive for going as far as possible to cut any roots of opposition. for the whole 40 years this regime controlled Syria, such a behavior never stopped.
I cannot deny that some extremests do exist within the rebels, but it's undeniable fact that the majority of the rebels are Syrian patriots fighting a coalition aiming to enforce its control and influence in the region.

not arming the rebels will lead to one thing; the regime will have the upper hand and will not hesitate cleansing the opposition.
keeping in mind the regime is getting continuous support from Iran, Russia and Iraq.
 
I'm not sure I fully understand your bottom line. Do you think the world should sit back and let things resolve itself in Syria while dozens die each day in a bloody civil war that doesn't look like its going to end any time soon? Should Assad be allowed to gas his own people? What is in your opinion the right way for other nations to handle whats going on in Syria?

No, I think the rebels should be armed, because otherwise the result will be unbearable for the Syrian people for another decade or so.
But I'm questioning the intentions of those who intend to arm the rebels; they did that before in Afghanistan and the results were catastrophic upon the Afghan people in the first place much less internationally.
 
The new conflict in Turkey is the reason we've decided to support the rebels in Syria. Turkey is probably more strategically important to the US in the ME than Israel with the geographical location of it's bases. The Russians and Iranians would love it if there's a regime change in Turkey and they throw us out. By supporting the rebels in Syria and trying to bring that conflict to an end we hopefully cool off the spreading dissent.

Spillover Effects of Syria

Turkey and Israel Feel the Effect as Syria’s Civil War Fuels Tensions at Borders
 
No, I think the rebels should be armed, because otherwise the result will be unbearable for the Syrian people for another decade or so.
But I'm questioning the intentions of those who intend to arm the rebels; they did that before in Afghanistan and the results were catastrophic upon the Afghan people in the first place much less internationally.

So how do we prevent the same scenario with Syria?
 
The new conflict in Turkey is the reason we've decided to support the rebels in Syria. Turkey is probably more strategically important to the US in the ME than Israel with the geographical location of it's bases. The Russians and Iranians would love it if there's a regime change in Turkey and they throw us out. By supporting the rebels in Syria and trying to bring that conflict to an end we hopefully cool off the spreading dissent.

Spillover Effects of Syria

Turkey and Israel Feel the Effect as Syria’s Civil War Fuels Tensions at Borders

that's a good perspective to look at it. but Israel have the lobbyists who can push toward the profit of Israel regardless of the strategic importance of Turkey for example.
Also the regime in Turkey has fixed its roots for over a decade now and few demonstrations will not affect its consistency as long as the government is obeying the constitution and respect the democratic values which is unlikely not to.
there must be something behind the bush other than that!
 
So how do we prevent the same scenario with Syria?

if one step was advanced in this way, there will be no go back unless they invented a time machine!
thinktanks need to think it over..
 
that's a good perspective to look at it. but Israel have the lobbyists who can push toward the profit of Israel regardless of the strategic importance of Turkey for example.
Also the regime in Turkey has fixed its roots for over a decade now and few demonstrations will not affect its consistency as long as the government is obeying the constitution and respect the democratic values which is unlikely not to.
there must be something behind the bush other than that!

I'm not saying Israel isn't an important ally to the US they're just not the only concern. The US also doesn't want Jordan involved anymore than having to take refugees. Here's another article about Wargames designed to protect Jordan from the Syrian conflict spilling over into their country. We're also leaving a battery of Patriot missiles on the border in Jordan.

Jordan wargames: 4,500 U.S. troops near Syrian border

We didn't get directly involved in the Syrian civil war because of the Russians and Iranians ability to escalate it into surrounding regions, which could ultimately cut off oil from the Persian Gulf. It's only a small percentage of oil for the world but enough to send prices thru the roof and cause gas restrictions. With an already weak economy that would be a big market shakeup also. The Saudi King has cut his vacation short because of the tensions rising.
 
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