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Kurdistan can be a model for democracy in a troubled region

toomuch cant find any reliable source for his claims..
 
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Medusa said:
you have to give me reliable evidences

especially about the latest news..as you know at least 50 terrorist were killed. and you wıll prove that they are not terrorists but they are kurdish civillians..

before admitting their civil attacks , you just blame your own country!!

in that link( a kurdish blog) a kurdish called karzan kardozi claims somethings. are you kidding???

you have to post a reliable agency news
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What would you know about reliable sources? For you it's enough to know the writer is a Kurd to call him a liar. You post nothing but propaganda videos that falsely accuse the PKK of attacks against Turkish civilians. You obviously have no interest in what is reliable or true but only in trying to justify Turkish atrocities against the Kurds.

You claim not to support Erdogan's government yet your every post betrays a slavish devotion to it, to a government that is dismantling democracy in Turkey by closing or intimidating media outlets that are critical of it, by disqualifying candidates for elective office who are critical of it, by violating the constitutional immunities of Kurdish members of the Turkish parliament by throwing them in prison for speaking out on the floor of the parliament for Kurdish rights, by purging the military and judiciary of secularists and replacing them with Islamists who will faithfully do Erdogan's bidding.

You reject a report of Turkish war crimes because it is written by a Kurd but you accept a report from Erdogan's stooges in the military that 50 militants were killed. Who but a Kurd who be in a position or have the interest in reporting this story since the area is almost constantly being bombed by Turkey and shelled by Iran? And who would be so naive as to believe Erdogan's stooges would admit to killing Kurdish civilians or destroying Kurdish villages?

It is to the shame of the US and Israel that they have provided Turkey with F-16's, drones and actionable intelligence to assist Turkey in its war on Kurdish rights and freedoms because they believed Turkey might be more useful to them than the Kurds. Were the Turks not so xenophobic, they would realize the Kurds are the only people who are fighting for democracy in Turkey while the rest of the country lazily watches Erdogan limit the rights and freedoms of all those who do not support him.
 
you have to give me an agency news

dont you understand me??

members of bdp is free and they dare to cry for war and to threaten turkey at their public declarations as you know but you try to hide facts..

give me an evidence that proves turks killed kurdish civillians in a few days..
 
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Medusa said:
you have to give me an agency news

dont you understand me??

members of bdp is free and they dare to cry for war and to threaten turkey at their public declarations as you know but you try to hide facts..

give me an evidence that proves turks killed kurdish civillians in a few days..
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I understand you perfectly. Your purpose here is to spread baseless propaganda to justify Turkish atrocities against the Kurds, just as you try to justify past Turkish atrocities against the Armenians and to use these lies about the Kurds to distract attention from Erdogan's rape of the Turkish people's political rights. There is, in fact, little difference between the way Turkey treats its Kurds and the way Syria or Iran treat their dissenting minorities or the way Qaddafi and Saddam Hussein treated their's.
 
evidence please...
 
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Medusa said:
evidence please...
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I've given you evidence of Turkey's war crimes and you rejected because it was written by a Kurd. No decent person would subscribe to your brand of anti Kurdish bigotry by providing another link, but for others who may actually be interested goggling some combination of Qandil Mountains, Kurds, refugees, villages, bombing will turn up many links showing that years of Turkish bombing in northern Iraq has destroyed the homes, farms, cattle and whole villages of Kurdish civilians, turning large numbers of them into refugees living in tents in refugee camps.
 
dont you realize that toomuch disappears when mbig is here:shock:
 
Medusa said:
dont you realize that toomuch disappears when mbig is here:shock:
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I guess the real question being, does the PKK have the power to kill enough Turks to get them to back off or will this be a slow bleed over many decades.
 
washunut said:
I guess the real question being, does the PKK have the power to kill enough Turks to get them to back off or will this be a slow bleed over many decades.
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What the PKK forget is that killing civillians is never makes people more partial to your views, it has the opposite effect. If the Kurds had kept their heads down like the Laz (near the Georgian border) or used non-violent methods then they would be better off.
 
Red_Dave said:
What the PKK forget is that killing civillians is never makes people more partial to your views, it has the opposite effect. If the Kurds had kept their heads down like the Laz (near the Georgian border) or used non-violent methods then they would be better off.
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That entirely depends on the liberalism and desire to admit fault on the part of the power they have an issue with. People will bleed for a long a time and support the blood letting of others in the face of an implacable foe.
 
What if an independent Kurdish state is declared?
HASAN CEMAL
April 2012
CONTRIBUTOR - What if an independent Kurdish state is declared?

United States President Barack Obama’s hosting the head of the Iraq’s Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG), Masoud Barzani, at the White House in Washington is a significant development not only for Iraqi Kurds but for all Kurds.

The U.S., by hosting Barzani as the equivalent of a head of state, has highlighted its special interest in the Kurds. This interest is not new. It is an intimateness that began to become clear especially after the Cold War.

A Kurdish intellectual, now a part of the KRG, who was once a peshmarga wandering the mountains, told me a while back:
“We were continuously debating among ourselves during the Cold War whether the Palestinians or the Kurds would be first to have an independent state in the Middle East.”

The fact that the Kurds live separated into four countries, Turkey, Iran, Iraq and Syria, used to be described as “the strategic misfortune of the Kurds.” It was put forth that if a serious independent Kurdish statehood movement ever emerged in one of those areas, in the final analysis, it would be choked by the four states. That period can be said to have ended with the Cold War.

With the Iraqi Kurds’ de facto statehood after the Gulf (1991) and Iraq (2003) wars toppled Saddam Hussein’s dictatorship, and with the emergence of the KRG under the auspices of the U.S. and Europe, the possibility of new scenarios emerged.

The topic of a federation in Iraq was once upon a time within the red lines of Turkey. It was also Ankara’s longtime policy to ignore Barzani and Talabani. These are history now. Turkey, over time and also with forward movement of life, has reached the correct decision and accepted the fact of the KRG in Iraq. But one question about Iraqi Kurds still exists in Ankara: What if the Kurds declare an independent state and make the de facto situation official, what would Turkey do then?

Masoud Barzani told the Al Sharqiya channel in Baghdad, “The fact that Kurds have been persecuted cannot be overlooked. We are also a nation, like the others. We are no less [a nation] than the Persian, Arab or Turkish nations. How many countries has the Arab nation been separated into? Kurdistan is also separated into many nations and a Kurdish state has never been allowed.”
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of course ,because ,northern iraq is not enough to be a puppet , the great middle east project needs bigger puppets including teh territories of turkey, syria etc.......
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viva democracy!! everything is just for you!!!!!!!!!!
 
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