Thread: Turkish warships will escort aid vessels to Gaza

Turkey said on Thursday it would escort aid ships to Gaza and would not allow a repetition of last year's Israeli raid that killed nine Turks, setting the stage for a potential naval confrontation with its former ally.


Raising the stakes in Turkey's row with Israel over its refusal to apologise for the killings, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip ErdoÄŸan told Al Jazeera television that Turkey had taken steps to stop Israel from unilaterally exploiting natural resources in the Mediterranean.
"Turkish warships, in the first place, are authorised to protect our ships that carry humanitarian aid to Gaza," ErdoÄŸan said in the interview, broadcast by Al Jazeera with an Arabic translation.
"From now on, we will not let these ships to be attacked by Israel, as what happened with the Freedom Flotilla," ErdoÄŸan said.
Referring to ErdoÄŸan's comments, Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor said: "This is a statement well-worth not commenting on."
Relations between Turkey and Israel, two close US allies in the region, have soured since Israeli forces boarded the Gaza-bound Mavi Marmara aid ship in May 2010. Turkish warships will escort aid vessels to Gaza

Actually I would be very interested in Appoc's comments on the above article. In another thread Appoc and I are debating this topic. I suggested the current tensions between Israel and Turkey relate to a deep split between the two over;

1-the Kurds, in particular Turkey's desire to crush them from having a nation and Israel's
decision along with the US to support them against Iran and in Syria and as a natural ally
against Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah;

2-natural gas off the cost of Israel and Cyprus which Turkey wants a share of but has
no title to;

3-the continuing Turkish perception that Cyprus is not an independent nation but a captive
colony of Turkey;

4-the continuing and unresolved blood war between Greece and Turkey including theirt
continued battle over control of Cyprus;

5-Turkey's failed attempt to portray itself as the new leader of the Arab world replacing
Egypt and overplaying its hand trying to pose as a mediator between Syria and Israel.


The above words are part of continued beligerent and bellicose rhetoric from a leader
trying to take over as the next leader of the Middle East and trying to pose himself
as the country that will do what no other Muslim country did, take down Israel.

To suggest Turkey is still Israel's ally and there is no tension between the two and there
is now no alliance between Greece, Cyprus, the Kurds and Israel against both Iran and
Turkey is absurd.

The latest Turkish rhetoric is part of Turkey's latest attempt to try deliberately provoke
Israel. Its what the Turkish leader does. He inflates himself like a peacock and makes
anti Israel comments. He is not the first nor will he be the last of Muslim leaders who puff
themselves and egoes up making anti Israel statements. He is one in a long line of Muslim
fundamentalist leaders using the anti Israel card to puff himself up.

Turkey now reveals itself for what it is a monumental hypocrite. It commits genocide against Kurds
and assists Iran in wiping them out so they can't form a nation and then in the next breath sides
with Hamas and claims Hamas should have the right to bring in weapons to Gaza through the sea.

This is not about assuring Palestinians get food or medical supplies. This is about Turkey sabre rattling and supporting Hamas' right to bring in uninspected ships so they can bring in weapons.

Of course the Turkish leader now makes noises like a donkey. The UN told him Israel had right
to do what they did, and Greece has offered to mediate and inspect ships going to Gaza intead of
Israel. So what else can this dummy say?

If Turkey in fact sent Turkish naval ships into the waters off Gaza to deliberately provoke the Israeli
Navy Israel would not back down. This is not a game for Israel. This is a matter of survival and it will not allow Turkey to escort terrorist weapons into Gaza or facilitate the ability to do so in the future.

As well if Turkey thinks it will use the Iranian puppet satellite of Lebanon as a pretense to try
threaten Israel and Cyprus over their mutual natural gas deposits he is mistaken.

Before Nato allows a naval war between Israel and Turkey which necessarily the Greeks would join they would intercede and that is what this Turkish blow hard is expecting.

He expects at the last second for NATO to step in and tell the Greeks and Israelis to cool it and placate Turkey's desire to share in the gas. This has nothing to do with Palestinians and everything
to do with Turkey playing the Hamas card to get at gas and slap back at Israel for supporting the Kurds.

Israel will not stop supporting the Kurds particularly in Iran and if anything now will increase its support to the Kurds.

Its not a coincidence two days before the above announcement, Israel and Greece announced a military alliance pledging assistance to each other if either was attacked.

The problem now is there is a vacum in NATO leadership. With Obama crippled by his own congress he can do nothing in the Middle East to tell Turkey to cool it and step down.

At this point no one else is willing to tell Turkey to cool it. So Turkey commits continued mass murder on Kurds for wanting a state while in the next breath calling for a Palestinian state.

In this world being a two faced hypocrite is par for the course-as long as you are anti Israel, its just fine.

I see nothing wrong with it. If Israel uses force to attack the convoys, then Turkey can use force to pretect the convoys

Originally Posted by Proud South Korean

I see nothing wrong with it. If Israel uses force to attack the convoys, then Turkey can use force to pretect the convoys

Right this coming from a nation that would be the first to scream bloody murder if any country assisted North Korea in equpping itself with weapons to wipe out South Korea.

Care to explain why you see nothing wrong in Turkey aiding and abbeting an avowed enemy of Israel dedicated to wiping it out, set a precedent to be able to bring in weapons on uninspected ships it would then use to wipe out Israel?

What Israel should just sit with its hands up its buttox and watch someone who screams openly it must be wiped out collect weapons? really?

So if the Israel navy escorted weapons shipments to North Korea you would have no problems?

You of course are unaware that both the South Korean and US Navy intercept ships headed to North Korea all the time?

Right.

Watch it or I will never by a KIA from you guys again.

Originally Posted by Mika-El

Actually I would be very interested in Appoc's comments on the above article. In another thread Appoc and I are debating this topic. I suggested the current tensions between Israel and Turkey relate to a deep split between the two over;

1-the Kurds, in particular Turkey's desire to crush them from having a nation and Israel's
decision along with the US to support them against Iran and in Syria and as a natural ally
against Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah;

2-natural gas off the cost of Israel and Cyprus which Turkey wants a share of but has
no title to;

3-the continuing Turkish perception that Cyprus is not an independent nation but a captive
colony of Turkey;

4-the continuing and unresolved blood war between Greece and Turkey including theirt
continued battle over control of Cyprus;

5-Turkey's failed attempt to portray itself as the new leader of the Arab world replacing
Egypt and overplaying its hand trying to pose as a mediator between Syria and Israel.


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Actually, Mika, you hit it on the head in your earlier posting when you attributed it to the one factor you failed to mention here, namely that of the ideology of Erdogan.

It is ideology that drives actions and shapes the way people view the world, and the supremacist ideology of Erdogan certainly shapes his.

Originally Posted by Mika-El

Right this coming from a nation that would be the first to scream bloody murder if any country assisted North Korea in equpping itself with weapons to wipe out South Korea.

Care to explain why you see nothing wrong in Turkey aiding and abbeting an avowed enemy of Israel dedicated to wiping it out, set a precedent to be able to bring in weapons on uninspected ships it would then use to wipe out Israel?

What Israel should just sit with its hands up its buttox and watch someone who screams openly it must be wiped out collect weapons? really?

So if the Israel navy escorted weapons shipments to North Korea you would have no problems?

You of course are unaware that both the South Korean and US Navy intercept ships headed to North Korea all the time?

Right.

Watch it or I will never by a KIA from you guys again.

So, insulting one's country is you debate tactic. Got it.
Israel attacked the convoys several kilometers away from its borders, it attacked without warning, and there are also several problems. Given these problems, the Turkish navy has a right to protect its own citizens.
It's buttocks, not buttox. Also, what does "I will never by a KIA from you guys again". Are you threatening with the phrase "Watch it"?

Originally Posted by 24107

Turkey said on Thursday it would escort aid ships to Gaza and would not allow a repetition of last year's Israeli raid that killed nine Turks, setting the stage for a potential naval confrontation with its former ally.


Raising the stakes in Turkey's row with Israel over its refusal to apologise for the killings, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip ErdoÄŸan told Al Jazeera television that Turkey had taken steps to stop Israel from unilaterally exploiting natural resources in the Mediterranean.
"Turkish warships, in the first place, are authorised to protect our ships that carry humanitarian aid to Gaza," ErdoÄŸan said in the interview, broadcast by Al Jazeera with an Arabic translation.
"From now on, we will not let these ships to be attacked by Israel, as what happened with the Freedom Flotilla," ErdoÄŸan said.
Referring to ErdoÄŸan's comments, Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor said: "This is a statement well-worth not commenting on."
Relations between Turkey and Israel, two close US allies in the region, have soured since Israeli forces boarded the Gaza-bound Mavi Marmara aid ship in May 2010. Turkish warships will escort aid vessels to Gaza

So Turkey, not satisfied with acting like general bastards, now intend on provoking a war by running a legal blockade with a military ship to facilitate the transfer of resources to a terrorist organization.

Let's consider this the "jump the shark" moment where Turkey officially left the western camp to try to reassert dominance over its old empire.

Originally Posted by Proud South Korean

So, insulting one's country is you debate tactic. Got it.
Israel attacked the convoys several kilometers away from its borders, it attacked without warning, and there are also several problems. Given these problems, the Turkish navy has a right to protect its own citizens.
It's buttocks, not buttox. Also, what does "I will never by a KIA from you guys again". Are you threatening with the phrase "Watch it"?

Israel did not attack the convoys, it desired to inspect them and has made that desire clear before the convoy was even launched.
More than several warnings were issued and the soldiers who have boarded the vessels have only made use of force after being attacked by one of the vessel's crew with lethal weapons, thus in self-defense.
Terror attacks are being launched at Israeli civilians from the Gaza Strip, thus Israel wishes to prevent weapons from going into that land, thus it cannot allow ships go unchecked into the Gaza Strip and it has imposed a naval blockade on the Gazan port, a blockade the UN report on the incident recognized as legitimate (due to the terror attacks) and legally imposed.

Thus when Turkey declares that it would not allow Israel to inspect such ships by escorting the convoy with warships it takes a pure act of warmongering and there's nothing legitimate about it. It is also an act of terror supporting as Turkey is interested in breaching the blockade and to allow ships to go unchecked into the Gaza Strip, thus allow weapons to be smuggled into Gaza and be used by Gazan terrorists towards Israeli civilians.

Originally Posted by Proud South Korean

So, insulting one's country is you debate tactic. Got it.
Israel attacked the convoys several kilometers away from its borders, it attacked without warning, and there are also several problems. Given these problems, the Turkish navy has a right to protect its own citizens.
It's buttocks, not buttox. Also, what does "I will never by a KIA from you guys again". Are you threatening with the phrase "Watch it"?

You insult his when you support those whose agenda it is to destroy it.

You are awfully confused if you think running a blockade rather than going through normal channels is a "right". Had the convoy intended to deliver aid, there were several channels at their disposal, but they decided to indulge in a publicity stunt, instead. What you call an "attack" occurred on only one of the ships, where the Islamist thugs lying in wait lynched the first person to board the ship.

Why do you think it is a "right" to lynch Jews? Do you establish this supposed right for any other group, and is there any other group you seek to deny the means to defend themselves against the genocidal maniacs who hate them because of their ethnicity?

His point stands -- if North Korea sent a convoy of ships with the intent of running a blockade set up to protect South Koreans, would you be similarly predisposed towards attacking those seeking to defend themselves?

Originally Posted by Proud South Korean

I see nothing wrong with it. If Israel uses force to attack the convoys, then Turkey can use force to pretect the convoys

Good example of why the U.S. should pull it's troops out of South Korea. Why we waste money protecting the South from their brethren in the North is beyond me.