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Bear Grylls or Les Stroud

JC Callender said:
Okay,
go out, scale a tower, then climb the final five feet on a chain over a cement lip and get back to me about how easy it is stud!
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No, you go do it.

I don't feel the need to prove anything to you or anyone else on this planet. :roll:
 
JC Callender said:
Then why are you on a debate forum?
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Excuse the interruption...but isn't it a little silly for you to use the word 'debate'? You offered a question but obviously with a bias. You have been shown that based on your question one is TRULY superior to the other in survivals presentation. One actually demonstrates a week worth of real survival experiences, while the other offers crafted and produced staged individual experiences pieces together and presented as a survival experience. One models actual trapping and hunting skills while the other sets ineffective traps and when he fails to catch food has an entire production team tying his dinner to a tree so he can kill it and drink it's blood and show how manly he is. One lives a survival experience while the other does the occasional survivor stunt.

You on the other hand cling to unit...Bears the BEST.

That's not debate. That's not effectively countering arguments.
 
VanceMack said:
Excuse the interruption...but isn't it a little silly for you to use the word 'debate'? You offered a question but obviously with a bias. You have been shown that based on your question one is TRULY superior to the other in survivals presentation. One actually demonstrates a week worth of real survival experiences, while the other offers crafted and produced staged individual experiences pieces together and presented as a survival experience. One models actual trapping and hunting skills while the other sets ineffective traps and when he fails to catch food has an entire production team tying his dinner to a tree so he can kill it and drink it's blood and show how manly he is. One lives a survival experience while the other does the occasional survivor stunt.

You on the other hand cling to unit...Bears the BEST.

That's not debate. That's not effectively countering arguments.
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You're right, Les is the more realistic survivalist.

Btw, has he found Bigfoot yet? Les Stroud Searches for Bigfoot in 6 New Episodes of
 
VanceMack said:
I doubt it. But if he gets lost while looking for him, he wont die waiting for his camera crew to help him find food and water.
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This is true.
Les will survive.....he's Survivorman after all.
However, if Les or Bear actually were confronted by an angry Bigfoot---trust me, Bigfoot is always angry---who would be more capable of fending off the beast?
Les usually has a fire going, so he could scare the critter off with a flaming branch or something.
Bear, on the other hand, would probably find a conveniently abandoned firearm and scare BF off with a warning shot.
If Bear's warning shot didn't work, BF would probably retreat when confronted with Bear's huge entourage/crew.
 
KevinKohler said:
Or, to go a little more old school, and a bit bat **** crazy, Cody Lundine.
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Isn't he the guy who walks around barefooted?
I was a little disappointed when Cody got seasick in one episode.
That would never happen to Bear, his personal, on-the-set MD would just give him some Dramamine....or his team would just fake the whole ocean scene.
 
JC Callender said:
Scale a huge African escarpment without a rope, drink elephant urine, pull the innards out of a camel and crawl inside,
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Bear did all these things?
This just sounds like an episode of MTV's "Jackass".
 
radioman said:
Bear did all these things?
This just sounds like an episode of MTV's "Jackass".
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Desperate times and situations call for desperate measures.

I saw him drink his own urine and squeeze life sustaining liquid from elephant dung and drink it. I watched him do some literally death defying stuff on camera with no cutaways, all to show others how to survive if faced with similar challenges.

The man is awesome.
 
Tazmanian Devil said:
Desperate times and situations call for desperate measures.

I saw him drink his own urine and squeeze life sustaining liquid from elephant dung and drink it.
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I dunno, TD.
I watched JC's clip of Bear climbing that railroad bridge and I didn't really "get" what Bear's motivation was.
Was there a secret cache of elephant dung up there or what?

I watched him do some literally death defying stuff on camera with no cutaways, all to show others how to survive if faced with similar challenges.

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Oh, come on, now.
Unless you were actually at the scene/set there is no way you can ascertain whether the scene's footage was edited.
Even the aforementioned RR trestle adventure didn't show a distance shot of Bear.
I'll bet there were safety nets just like the circus acrobats and bridgebuilders utilize.
Now that I think of it, where the heck did Bear's RR trestle chain come from?
Did he haul it up from the ground or was it just---amazingly---laying around up there?
 
shrubnose said:
You too, and a wonderful life.

Try not to get lost in the wilderness.
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Not a problem, as long as there is an adequate supply of elephant dung lying around.
 
radioman said:
I dunno, TD.
I watched JC's clip of Bear climbing that railroad bridge and I didn't really "get" what Bear's motivation was.
Was there a secret cache of elephant dung up there or what?



Oh, come on, now.
Unless you were actually at the scene/set there is no way you can ascertain whether the scene's footage was edited.
Even the aforementioned RR trestle adventure didn't show a distance shot of Bear.
I'll bet there were safety nets just like the circus acrobats and bridgebuilders utilize.
Now that I think of it, where the heck did Bear's RR trestle chain come from?
Did he haul it up from the ground or was it just---amazingly---laying around up there?
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There are certain things which defy belief and need no proof. Things which can't be proven.

And that's as it should be.

I believe in Bear Grylls.

He is like Ditka. Or Chuck Norris. Or Bruce Lee.

Or Bill Brasky.

 
Tazmanian Devil said:
There are certain things which defy belief and need no proof. Things which can't be proven.

And that's as it should be.
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This is so true.
It also explains why Les Stroud didn't find Bigfoot.

I believe in Bear Grylls.

He is like Ditka. Or Chuck Norris. Or Bruce Lee.
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Ditka is the toughest of all these guys.
I'll bet Mike wouldn't need any entourage/camera crew to scare off Bigfoot.
Now that I think of it, Ditka might actually be Bigfoot.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Regardless of the seemingly cushy nature of some Man Vs. Wild episodes Grylls was in the SAS which is extremely tough to get into even if his was only a reserve unit.

He survived a canopy rip at 16' 000 feet while parachuting in Zambia and was almost paralyzed for life after which he climbed Mt. Everest 18 months Later.

The guys the real deal even if liberties are sometimes taken on the show.
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Reserve training is so much different thing regular army training. Reserve training is weekend warrior stuff. 9 weekends and 1 week of tests to pass SAS reserve course. Reservist in the "SAS" were reassigned to weekend warrior jobs with the 1st Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Brigade. No reservist unit in the SAS has been deployed since 1960. So while he can claim he's former SAS, he's no different then American weekend warrior who went to some training course with ex-SF guys.
 
radioman said:
This is so true.
It also explains why Les Stroud didn't find Bigfoot.



Ditka is the toughest of all these guys.
I'll bet Mike wouldn't need any entourage/camera crew to scare off Bigfoot.
Now that I think of it, Ditka might actually be Bigfoot.
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Ditka is the only reason we haven't had WWIII.

And I hope he is eating his Wheaties every day.
 
austrianecon said:
Reserve training is so much different thing regular army training. Reserve training is weekend warrior stuff. 9 weekends and 1 week of tests to pass SAS reserve course. Reservist in the "SAS" were reassigned to weekend warrior jobs with the 1st Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Brigade. No reservist unit in the SAS has been deployed since 1960. So while he can claim he's former SAS, he's no different then American weekend warrior who went to some training course with ex-SF guys.
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I'll accept your opinion with a shaker of salt.
 
Tazmanian Devil said:
Desperate times and situations call for desperate measures.

I saw him drink his own urine and squeeze life sustaining liquid from elephant dung and drink it. I watched him do some literally death defying stuff on camera with no cutaways, all to show others how to survive if faced with similar challenges.

The man is awesome.
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Drinking your own urine is counter productive to survival.
 
KevinKohler said:
Drinking your own urine is counter productive to survival.
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In the long term.

But when life is on the edge, ANY fluid is better than no fluid, as long as it isn't immediately poisonous.

That's what Bear demonstrated here.



Here is another nasty demonstration of vital life saving skills.

 
Yeah, no. If that's the case, people marooned on deserted islands wouldn't die of thirst after a couple days.

Do you know what urine is comprised of?
 
KevinKohler said:
Yeah, no. If that's the case, people marooned on deserted islands wouldn't die of thirst after a couple days.

Do you know what urine is comprised of?
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Salts and water and other stuff.

Yeah.

I get it.

But if you are seriously dehydrated and need to stay alive as long as you can and there is no other alternative you drink pee or die quicker.

Drinking urine isn't a permanent solution, but an emergency measure.

Why does this need explaining?

Are we without common sense these days?
 
Tazmanian Devil said:
Salts and water and other stuff.

Yeah.

I get it.

But if you are seriously dehydrated and need to stay alive as long as you can and there is no other alternative you drink pee or die quicker.

Drinking urine isn't a permanent solution, but an emergency measure.

Why does this need explaining?

Are we without common sense these days?
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Unless you SAVED your urine from when you took a leak PRIOR to becoming dehydrated....

A dehydrated person's urine is about 50% sodium/electrolytes/toxins.

If you are dehydrated, and you drink THAT, IF you survive, it will be in SPITE of doing something so stupid.

People like Bear drinking their own urine "to survive" aren't so much espousing it as a source of hydration, but as a symbol of a mind set...which is, the willingness to do anything to survive. If he was here on this thread right now, he would absolutely agree with me, man. Drinking a dehydrated person's urine is actually worse than drinking ocean water. It just is. It's going to do nothing but dehydrate your bodies cells that much quicker.

It's literally as if you were saying that since there is a lot of iron and other minerals in dirt that your body needs to survive, short term, eating dirt will keep you alive.
 
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