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How is it possible to bust a drug dealer without using entrapment?

I'm not talking about dopeboy standing on a corner I'm talking about a guy that is selling drugs to his friends and then one of his friends introduces him to a friend of a friend that just so happens to be a cop and him and the cop convince the person to sell drugs to the cop.
 
AndrewC23 said:
I'm not talking about dopeboy standing on a corner I'm talking about a guy that is selling drugs to his friends and then one of his friends introduces him to a friend of a friend that just so happens to be a cop and him and the cop convince the person to sell drugs to the cop.
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If the cop convinces the guy then that could be entrapment, but that is not how you have described it to this point. For it to be entrapment, the 3 requirements must be met, and thus far you have yet to show how your original statement is accurate.
 
Well this is the situation that I was trying to describe I just have friends in "high" places so to speak lol and I'm worried about them and I'm trying to find legal loopholes...
 
AndrewC23 said:
Well this is the situation that I was trying to describe I just have friends in "high" places so to speak lol and I'm worried about them and I'm trying to find legal loopholes...
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Then listen to what they cop and the lawyer have already told you in this very thread... Trust me, if they are in high places they will have no problem. Again, I know people that sold drugs to senators, politicians and top business executives at an exclusive organization in Northern California. He was their dealer in the open. I suggest your friend consult their lawyer instead of you and what you find over an internet site... right?
 
Not everyone has money to hire a lawyer and I would probably do a better job than a public defender considering they aren't payed jack squat. and by high places I mean that they sell drugs.
 
AndrewC23 said:
Not everyone has money to hire a lawyer and I would probably do a better job than a public defender considering they aren't payed jack squat. and by high places I mean that they sell drugs.
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I doubt that, since you can't even understand the legal definition of "entrapment."
 
AndrewC23 said:
I'm not talking about dopeboy standing on the corner I'm talking about peopple that actually sell drugs to pay their bills or to put gas in their car or so they can use drugs for free or just put a little extra money in their pocket...

Some people just sell drugs so that they can use them for free how do you know that the drugs that they had were not for personal use before the cop showed up?
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Sell illegal drugs to a cop, go to jail. Fact. Deal with it. Don't like it? Work for reform of the country's drug laws. This BS about entrapment is simply that, BS.
 
entrapment:a defense that claims the defendant would not have broken the law if not tricked into doing it by law enforcement officials

that is the legal definition of entrapment, and it's not that I have to reform the countries drug laws it's just that the courts are breaking their own laws in order to convict drug dealers...
 
Caine said:
As long as the idea to commit the crime didn't come from a government agent and the government agent didn't pursuade the individual to do the crime that they were not already prepared and willing to commit before interaction with the government agent then it is not entrapment.

If law enforcement are in contact with an informant who goes in and buys drugs from a person, that is not entrapment. You see, in this scenario, government agents didn't give the dealer drugs to sell. The informant just provided the opportunity to commit the crime, not the motivation and willingness to do so.
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Yep!

QFT
 
AndrewC23 said:
In criminal law, entrapment is constituted by a law enforcement agent inducing a person to commit an offense that the person would otherwise have been unlikely to commit

That is the legal definition they may have commited the crime with someone else but not that particular crime that they busted them for there is no way to bust a criminal without using entrapment, because each and everytime they sell drugs it is considered a crime selling drugs in general is not just one big crime...so technically they wouldn't have been likely to commit the crime if they knew that the person was a police officer and there would be no crime committed or a crime to be prosecuted.
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fUNNY how your post quoted the exact text from the wikipedia page on entrapment... but then you went and ignored everything else the page said regarding entrapment.

You sir, are a troll.
 
AndrewC23 said:
Well how do you legally prove he wasn't? a person can quit selling drugs anytime they want and if a cop offers them a way to make a lot more money then they ever have before then why wouldn't they take that opportunity?
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Because its a crime.

An opportunity to make money is not a defense to commiting a crime.
 
AndrewC23 said:
Not everyone has money to hire a lawyer and I would probably do a better job than a public defender considering they aren't payed jack squat. and by high places I mean that they sell drugs.
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Then they should familiarize themselves with the law. I have twice represented myself in court and twice one, once against the IRS. I can say with confidence that you, as far as you have represented yourself here, would lose to an average public defender.
 
I read what it said on entrapment and in certain circumstances drug dealers getting busted is entrapment.
 
AndrewC23 said:
I'm not talking about dopeboy standing on a corner I'm talking about a guy that is selling drugs to his friends and then one of his friends introduces him to a friend of a friend that just so happens to be a cop and him and the cop convince the person to sell drugs to the cop.
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If he was pursuaded and induced to do so, then you MIGHT have a case.

If he was just asked and did it, thats not entrapment.
 
Caine said:
fUNNY how your post quoted the exact text from the wikipedia page on entrapment... but then you went and ignored everything else the page said regarding entrapment.

You sir, are a troll.
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I almost pointed out the wikipedia aspect as well...
 
I think this thread would have been better if the example used were something like what happened to Tommy Chong instead of what happens to some low level dealer. Probably would have gotten a much better debate over a case like that.
 
Let me put it to you this way a drug dealer is out of drugs a cop asks them if they can buy some and they have to go reup just for the cop and then busts them when they come back with the drugs...
 
AndrewC23 said:
Let me put it to you this way a drug dealer is out of drugs a cop asks them if they can buy some and they have to go reup just for the cop and then busts them when they come back with the drugs...
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All he did was ask......

The willingness came on the side of the drug dealer who went out of his way to go get a restock so he could make a sale.
 
There wouldn't have been a "willingness" to go buy drugs for the cop if the cop never asked the person would have done something else.
 
AndrewC23 said:
Let me put it to you this way a drug dealer is out of drugs a cop asks them if they can buy some and they have to go reup just for the cop and then busts them when they come back with the drugs...
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Guilty, period. The guy obviously had the access to the drugs, which to me demonstrates intent to distribute. If you want to have a discussion about entrapment, I'd rather talk about cops using kids outside of convenience stores to try to get customers to purchase alcohol or cigarettes for minors, or federal officials pestering companies to engage in inter-state commerce which is illegal in one state but not in another and then busting them, or federal agents infiltrating motorcycle gangs, actually initiating criminal enterprise and then busting people for participating in that activity (admittedly rare, but it has happened)
 
No because buying drugs for a cop is "entrapment" selling it is not...So if you didn't have drugs on you at the time and you had to make a special trip just to sell the drugs to them then that is entrapment.
 
AndrewC23 said:
No because buying drugs for a cop is "entrapment" selling it is not...So if you didn't have drugs on you at the time and you had to make a special trip just to sell the drugs to them then that is entrapment.
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Oh my god... dude, if it was that easy then every drug dealer in the United States would simply not have drugs on them and wait to be asked, so that when they had to go back and get drugs and the cop arrests them they could claim entrapment, and obviously this is not happening, and that is because you have no freaking idea what you are talking about. Take it from me, or a cop Caine, if you like, many drug dealers and inner city thugs are extremely smart people that apply their smarts to selling drugs and not getting caught instead of getting into Stanford. But make no mistake, they have the smarts to get into Stanford if they wanted to. Your friends are gonna get pinched in no time with the legal advice that you are going to give them. :rofl
 
AndrewC23 said:
No because buying drugs for a cop is "entrapment" selling it is not...So if you didn't have drugs on you at the time and you had to make a special trip just to sell the drugs to them then that is entrapment.
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This makes absolutely no sense. In your scenario the cop isn't even present for the "restocking" transaction, and the dealer isn't arrested until he sells to the cop. Therefore, the cop doesn't know whether or not the dealer actually had the drugs on him or not when this scenario started.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Oh my god... dude, if it was that easy then every drug dealer in the United States would simply not have drugs on them and wait to be asked, so that when they had to go back and get drugs and the cop arrests them they could claim entrapment, and obviously this is not happening, and that is because you have no freaking idea what you are talking about. Take it from me, or a cop Caine, if you like, many drug dealers and inner city thugs are extremely smart people that apply their smarts to selling drugs and not getting caught instead of getting into Stanford. But make no mistake, they have the smarts to get into Stanford if they wanted to. Your friends are gonna get pinched in no time with the legal advice that you are going to give them. :rofl
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I'm not saying it's that easy I'm just saying that entrapment doesn't apply when it comes to busting drug dealers even if the situation is entrapment...all I'm saying is that they don't offer drug dealers the same treatment that they would any other criminal that would have claimed entrapment.

So what you're saying is that if a cop asks a person that has no drugs on them to go buy drugs and then sell it to them when they had no intent of selling drugs before the cop asked them to do so then that is not entrapment?
 
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