Okay, so are you in turn suggesting that execution is a convenience because we are lazy in enforcing supervision and quality control of prison guards?
You know, I never suggested or implied anything remotely like that; the above is your oddball assumption from
waaay the hell out in left field, and guess what? It's wrong. :doh
If you want to know what I
actually think about some specific thing, why don't you just ask?
Last time I checked, inmates who commit secondary crimes while incarcerated tend to end up in solitary confinement or are transferred to facilities for long term isolation. There is already a mechanism for dealing with these high risk criminals and they are generally segregated from the rest of the inmate population.
And yet, criminal activity, violent assaults, and murders
are committed in supermax prisons. Far more often than would seem possible, but facts are facts. A few examples:
Opened in 1963, Marion became the United States' highest security prison by 1978. Marion was one of two supermax prisons in the Federal Bureau of Prisons, the other being ADX Florence in Colorado. The prison was originally constructed to hold 500 inmates.
On October 22, 1983, two prison guards, Merle E. Clutts and Robert L. Hoffman, were killed in separate incidents, both at the hands of Aryan Brotherhood members. Clutts was stabbed by Thomas Silverstein. The prison was, at the time, the holding place for the Federal Bureau of Prisons' most dangerous prisoners. Despite this, two inmates were able independently to kill their accompanying guards. –
United States Penitentiary, Marion
On October 28, 1987, Gardner broke a glass partition in a prison visiting area [at Utah state's supermax prison] and had sex with a female visitor while other inmates barricaded the doors. On September 25, 1994, he got drunk from alcohol he fermented in his own prison cell sink and stabbed another inmate with a shiv fashioned from a pair of sunglasses. Gardner was charged with another capital crime for the stabbing under a Utah law reserved for prison attacks, but the case was thrown out by the Utah Supreme Court because the victim did not die. –
Ronnie Lee Gardner
Inmate is fatally stabbed in altercation in state's `Supermax' prison complex
June 10, 2000
An inmate in Maryland's most secure prison, known as "Supermax," was fatally stabbed six times in the chest early yesterday during an altercation in an indoor recreation area, state police said.
Michael Allen, 20, who was serving five years for attempted murder, was pronounced dead at 10:40 a.m. in the prison infirmary. The attack occurred about 10:15 a.m. inside the downtown complex on East Madison Street, where 309 inmates are held in isolated cells.
As recently as 2003, a study of violence in supermax prisons was undertaken, and the results found that supermaxes had no impact on the rates of inmate-on-inmate violence, and inconclusive impact on the safety of prison staff.
If the worst of the worst are removed from the general prison population and put in isolation, you’d expect there to be markedly fewer inmate shankings and attacks on corrections officers. But the evidence doesn’t bear this out. Perhaps the most careful inquiry [Briggs et al., “
The Effect of Supermaximum Security Prisons,”1341] into whether supermax prisons decrease violence and disorder was a 2003 analysis examining the experience in three states—Arizona, Illinois, and Minnesota—following the opening of their supermax prisons.
The study found that levels of inmate-on-inmate violence were unchanged, and that levels of inmate-on-staff violence changed unpredictably, rising in Arizona, falling in Illinois, and holding steady in Minnesota. –
Torture In Your Own Backyard
It's the unsolved murders that implicate corruption of the prison system...
Why would an unsolved prison murder = prison system corruption? Is it possible that
inmate collusion/corruption might be a reason at least some of these cases to go unsolved, or do you believe it is always a matter of corruption among prison guards and staff?
when guards get paid off to turn a blind eye while murders and rapes take place.
Do you have any documentation on how often guards are supposedly "paid off to turn a blind eye while murders and rapes take place?" By whom they are paid and where does the money comes from? How much they are paid? What sort of verifiable evidence has been offered in such cases? How many investigations into this sort of event have resulted in arrests? Have there been a significant number of such incidents successfully brought to trial? Can you give us the names of the corrupt prison guards that have been successfully prosecuted and deemed guilty? I'd be very interested to see your published research and documented data on this topic.
Do you suppose that, in
every case of prison murder or prison rape, a guard was paid to look the other way, or could there possibly be other explanations for some of these prison murders/rapes?
Who are you to decide who does and doesn't deserve a second chance? You aren't God.
That's right, I'm not. And neither are you.
This is a debate board where people discuss issues and offer opinions on those issues. I've offered some of my opinions, and provided documentation to support them. Can you do the same?
Think about what Christ himself would say.
As soon as Christ starts posting here, we can ask him. Until then, Christ, the mythical stories written about him, and what his many biographers
claim he would say are utterly irrelevant.
I only brought it up because there are Christians who are pro-death penalty and it seems contradictory to me.
Once again, I'm not a Christian. I'm a slightly liberal atheist that owns a gun and strongly supports the death penalty. Try to figure
that one out!
