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ATF siezes dangerous weapons!

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They just seized $20,000 worth of machine.... that is to say, BB guns that shoot plastic BBs.

They're keeping us safe from plastic BB shooting airsoft rifles.

ATF Dodges FOIA, Still Has Seized BB Guns (Part IV)


It was only a month ago that a bizarre story broke in the Pacific Northwest, as Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officers trumpeted their seizure of what they claimed were more than two dozen machine guns disguised as toys.

The problem with the CBP claim was that the items seized were 16 WE TTI (WE Tech) M4A1 and 14 WE TTI (WE Tech) M4 CQBR gas blowback Airsoft rifles that shoot plastic BBs.

They really were toys.

But instead of admitting they can’t tell a toy gun from a real one, CBP turned these Airsoft rifles over to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), and the agency agreed that these pot-metal made, plastic BB-shooting plinkers were honest-to-God firearms.
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Looks real.
 
USA-1 said:
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Looks real.
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Real enough to fool the people at ATF. You would think that they would have some experience to go on, though, and be able to feel it, heft it, examine it, and determine it to be a toy.
 
Real or not?

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USA-1 said:
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unless you know the reference on the upper receiver it is hard to say. I saw japanese airsoft guns that looked like real berettas. and since I carried a beretta for several years and won a bunch of tournaments shooting berettas I wasn't easily fooled.

The ATF has some good agents, and some incredible dorks. The RAC for ATF in Cincinnati about 20 years ago was probably the best pistol shot in Ohio and now is a range master at a popular gun club. He was the only guy I worried about losing to in PPC. He wouldn't be fooled by an Air Soft gun.

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I'd be scared to let them carry a nerf pistol on duty
 
The article only furthers my certainty that ATF should be privatized and turned into a convenience store. I really couldn't imagine a better store than one that sells Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.
 
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I don't have a problem with the seizure of these BB guns.

There are going to be hundreds (maybe just tens) less dead idiots now by the hands of Law Enforcement when at a distance they can't tell the difference and end up opening fire on some poor moron running around with it.

Not to mention the fear that can be instilled by wanna be (or real) gang thugs using these weapons to commit armed robbery.
 
What this shows is a lack of training from the ATF not being able to view and recognize a real weapon vs. a toy weapon. Potentially embarassing for the ATF so they have to try and save face here by referring these toys for confiscation. If a trained ATF team found these, they'd immediately be able to recognize they were not real simply by pulling the reciever and checking the potential weapon.

What we don't know is if this is being used by the anti-gun nuts as an issue. It's clear there's no physical threat other than how these toys "look", so my view is they may be being used as another anti-gun example of "evil looking" but wholly harmless toys.
 
Caine said:
I don't have a problem with the seizure of these BB guns.

There are going to be hundreds (maybe just tens) less dead idiots now by the hands of Law Enforcement when at a distance they can't tell the difference and end up opening fire on some poor moron running around with it.

Not to mention the fear that can be instilled by wanna be (or real) gang thugs using these weapons to commit armed robbery.
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So it's ok for cops to be taking someone's legal property then huh? Interesting take on things. I believe this story was the paintball/airsoft range that ordered it for use on their property; not a bunch of hooligans. And even if not, really we're supposed to give up property and freedom so the cops don't shoot us? That's the justification? That's rather authoritative and fascist.
 
Caine said:
I don't have a problem with the seizure of these BB guns.

There are going to be hundreds (maybe just tens) less dead idiots now by the hands of Law Enforcement when at a distance they can't tell the difference and end up opening fire on some poor moron running around with it.

Not to mention the fear that can be instilled by wanna be (or real) gang thugs using these weapons to commit armed robbery.
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From an evolutionary and improvement of the species standpoint, perhaps idiots getting themselves killed by showing toy guns to the police isn't such a bad thing.

As for identifying a real from a toy gun, that may not be so easy from just a picture, but if you hold it in your hands, heft it, and examine it, it shouldn't be difficult to tell the difference.
 
Real or not?
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Not. The bolt carrier group is fixed. I'm on the iphone so i cant confirm untill later but dont you think this fail has gone on long enough?
 
USA-1 said:
Real or not?
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Ok now I'm on my computer, that picture is too small. how could one tell, that said, the bolt carrier group seems to be made of plastic, and fused to te reciever like an airsoft gun.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Not. The bolt carrier group is fixed. I'm on the iphone so i cant confirm untill later but dont you think this fail has gone on long enough?
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This fail? Man, you are one retarded individual. I was just having some fun.
 
USA-1 said:
This fail? Man, you are one retarded individual. I was just having some fun.
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Smile when you say that Pardner:mrgreen:
 
Ikari said:
So it's ok for cops to be taking someone's legal property then huh? Interesting take on things. I believe this story was the paintball/airsoft range that ordered it for use on their property; not a bunch of hooligans. And even if not, really we're supposed to give up property and freedom so the cops don't shoot us? That's the justification? That's rather authoritative and fascist.
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Your missing my point.

I didn't say I support them actively attempting to go out and get BB guns off the streets.

I said I don't have a problem with what they have done.

If the owners of this merchandise care about it, they will be capable of getting it back through the federal courts.
 
Dittohead not! said:
From an evolutionary and improvement of the species standpoint, perhaps idiots getting themselves killed by showing toy guns to the police isn't such a bad thing.

As for identifying a real from a toy gun, that may not be so easy from just a picture, but if you hold it in your hands, heft it, and examine it, it shouldn't be difficult to tell the difference.
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Your right... however at a distance with someone pointing a gun at you, your not going to think... Hmm i'd be great to go grab that gun and feel it and make sure its real before I make a life or death decision.
 
Caine said:
Your right... however at a distance with someone pointing a gun at you, your not going to think... Hmm i'd be great to go grab that gun and feel it and make sure its real before I make a life or death decision.
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Nope. I'm going to say, "That might be a real gun", and shoot the dope that is threatening me with it. If it turns out to be a toy, then I'll wonder why he was such an idiot. If, on the other hand, I don't shoot and it turns out to be the real thing, then I'm the dead idiot.
 
Caine said:
Your missing my point.

I didn't say I support them actively attempting to go out and get BB guns off the streets.

I said I don't have a problem with what they have done.

If the owners of this merchandise care about it, they will be capable of getting it back through the federal courts.
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So you are excusing improper state confiscation. Nice.
 
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