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    Re: Making jail harder for criminals only makes better criminals

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    So what did you do, slip up while skating?
    I've never been to Prison. but I have spent a little time in the County jail, and the City Jail. --Usually based on not having money to get things taken care of like I should have. No Auto insurance is the big one.---city Jail, for Skating on the Streets. --I'm not a criminal, I just screw up from time to time.
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    Re: Making jail harder for criminals only makes better criminals

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Well, they say don't do the crime if you ain't got the time. Although I ain't no saint, it don't take a ===) up my ( * ) to get me back in line. I ain't got the time.

    And it really isn't that much of a chore to keep myself from criminal behavior. Some people almost seem predisposed to be career criminals and just can't seem to help themselves. For whatever reasons.

    In our forgiving society, where people get off with little slaps on the wrist for crimes that should keep them from the light of day, I am of the opinion that by the time a convict makes it the serious prison, he just might as well stay there forever.
    An acquaintance who recently quit his job as a correctional officer in Huntsville told me that roughly 10% of the prison population is innocent. I asked him if he was serious and he said yes.




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    Re: Making jail harder for criminals only makes better criminals

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    I've never been to Prison. but I have spent a little time in the County jail, and the City Jail. --Usually based on not having money to get things taken care of like I should have. No Auto insurance is the big one.---city Jail, for Skating on the Streets. --I'm not a criminal, I just screw up from time to time.
    I've known people who have done time at several of our local jails for minor offenses. Anyone who can manage to emerge from their stay as a guest at any of our lovely local "accommodations", while retaining his/her sanity and sense of humor, has my respect.





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    Re: Making jail harder for criminals only makes better criminals

    i think they should do the first half of a sentence as "hard time" but the rest in rehabilitation

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    Re: Making jail harder for criminals only makes better criminals

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Well, they say don't do the crime if you ain't got the time. Although I ain't no saint, it don't take a ===) up my ( * ) to get me back in line. I ain't got the time.

    And it really isn't that much of a chore to keep myself from criminal behavior. Some people almost seem predisposed to be career criminals and just can't seem to help themselves. For whatever reasons.

    In our forgiving society, where people get off with little slaps on the wrist for crimes that should keep them from the light of day, I am of the opinion that by the time a convict makes it the serious prison, he just might as well stay there forever.
    The problem I have with "don't do the crime if you can't do the time" is that 1) there are many unfair laws in this country and 2) not everybody knows exactly what are and aren't crimes.

    For example, some of our most unfair laws are marijuana laws. There's no reason why teenagers and 20-somethings should get locked up in jail with gangbangers and rapists because they smoke a joint. I also think our prostitution laws are unfair as well.

    I understand that there are a lot of bad people out there who won't ever be helped by rehabilitation. Those people should be locked up in prison and never let out. However, not every criminal is like that and they should have a chance.

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    Re: Making jail harder for criminals only makes better criminals

    Quote Originally Posted by hiswoman View Post
    I've known people who have done time at several of our local jails for minor offenses. Anyone who can manage to emerge from their stay as a guest at any of our lovely local "accommodations", while retaining his/her sanity and sense of humor, has my respect.

    I went to County Jail, like 30 years ago, (wow that long?) and when I got out, I kept my ID wrist tag on for like a week or so. Just in case things got any worse for me on the streets. I knew where I could go, to play checkers and watch TV, with food and a hot shower, in air conditioned comfort. . County was better than where I was at the time.
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    Re: Making jail harder for criminals only makes better criminals

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    Jail should be a reform aparatus, and the elimination of drug offenders would do wonders in that regard.
    I agree wholeheartedly, if you are referring to legalizing some substances that are now illegal. Casual drug users are taking up prison space unnecessarily. I believe resources for incarceration would be better suited for much more dangerous criminals than the dingaling from the video store that likes to smoke his weed after work on Friday nights.

    I would just like to add that I'd like to see more preventative measures taken with children that are considered at high risk of taking part in criminal activity.

    Instead of trying to "cure" the problem once it's occurred and thusly harder than hell to succeed in rehabilitation at that point - prevent the problem from occurring to begin with.
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    Re: Making jail harder for criminals only makes better criminals

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    I agree wholeheartedly, if you are referring to legalizing some substances that are now illegal. Casual drug users are taking up prison space unnecessarily. I believe resources for incarceration would be better suited for much more dangerous criminals than the dingaling from the video store that likes to smoke his weed after work on Friday nights.

    I would just like to add that I'd like to see more preventative measures taken with children that are considered at high risk of taking part in criminal activity.

    Instead of trying to "cure" the problem once it's occurred and thusly harder than hell to succeed in rehabilitation at that point - prevent the problem from occurring to begin with.
    Prevention is the key---punishment after the fact, is no different than crying over spilled milk.
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    Re: Making jail harder for criminals only makes better criminals

    America is a not a very empathetic, understanding, or forgiving place. Society places a life-long stigma on those that have screwed up in the past and after prison expect them to carry on just like the rest of us. This could be one contributing factor as to why many turn back to criminal activity. If you're forever going to be labeled an irresponsible alcoholic by society no matter what changes you try and make, why stop drinking?

    There are those who should be in prison because they are dangerous and a threat to the safety of other citizens. No doubt about that. However, when it comes to those who are not and will one day be released, I cannot see how prison positively changes this person nor how it can be good for their mental stability. Try locking yourself in a bedroom for one week straight, only getting up to use the bathroom, showering, and to eat. Now, for this week you may not leave your room for any other purpose and have very limited contact with humans for 1hr a day. I doesn't take a psychologist to tell you that after a few days almost all of us would start to go insane . Most people can't grasp the idea of what confinement really does to people mentally. Now if you want to punish someone, this is perfect. However, if you want to rehabilitate someone to be released back into society and lead productive crime free lives, this is not a logical approach. People need structure and productive social interaction on a somewhat regular basis in order to function normally. Prison doesn't seem to do any of this. So can we really expect people that have spent the last 5,10,20 years behind bars to just get up and be productive when released?

    Another thing is that Crime pays an awfully lot of salaries throughout the country. While we don't encourage crime, I often get the feeling that we don't really try to prevent it either. We keep passing more and more laws, which then leads to more tax paying jobs in the criminal justice field because we need more cops, investigators, prison guards., prosecutors etc. Some times I wonder that if in 50 years half of society will be incarcerated and the other half will all be cops. Maybe we should spend more time figuring out why people keep breaking the same laws year after year and what we as a society can to prevent it. Because clearly more laws, bars, and cops haven't really deterred anything. Just look at the disastrous cluster-fu*k known as "The War On Drugs." We've spent trillions since the 1970's and it's just as easy now than ever to find any drug you want. While at the same time it has severely overcrowded our prisons in recent decades and ruined many many lives in the proccess. Just imagine all the lives that could have been saved if drugs were decriminalized and all that money was spent of rehabilitation centers and drug use prevention education.

    I'm also shocked at the number of convicted murderers and rapist that have been cleared in recent years due to DNA evidence. Did anyone else hear about the black guy just released from prison after serving since 1974 for a rape and murder he did not commit. It's crazy, makes you feel bad for all those who will never have that DNA surface. Don't get me wrong, a good majority of people in prison certainly do belong there and are guilty. I will not argue that. But, it sure makes you wonder how many innocent people are locked up for crimes that cannot be solved with DNA.

    One things for sure, the American justice system if very fu*ked up. We let rich murderers caught on tape go free and imprison poor black people on circumstantial evidence. A guy breaks into a womanís house and steals a lamp he's a thief. He breaks in and steals a pair of her panties, he's a sex offender. It's a very broken system that no one wants fixed until they are the victim of it. The US locks up more of their own citizens that any other country by far. And from what I've read, that number is only expected to rise in the future. But since it cost like 50,000-60,000 tax dollars to incarcerate one person for one year, you'd think that more people would want to focus on prevention rather than punishment. But it's no surprise, since we often make the same failed mistakes in this country expecting a different outcome time and time again.

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    Re: Making jail harder for criminals only makes better criminals

    prisons should reform people by putting them to work. Make them into factories and have them pay for their own incarceration with the goods/services they produce. Teach them trades. No offense to any therapists here, but I think that's the best (and probably the only) way to set them straight. Change their lifestyles.

    The problem of innocent folk in prisons and plea bargaining has nothing to do with what prisons should be like. These are problems with the operation of the legal system before one is incarcerated.
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