Manc Skipper

Human rights apply to all humans by virtue of their humanity, even to those who display little evidence of it's possession..

RyrineaHaruno

Constitutional Topic: The Preamble - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

bicycleman

The key phrase is: We the People of the United States

Notice it does not say, We the illegal aliens who sneaked across the border People of the United States."

DarkWizard12

...of the united states

How are citizens of mexico somehow become "people of the united states"? Geographic location? Does that mean that if I walk across the border to Mexico, I cease to be a "person of the united states?".

Your entire view seems to be a dichotomy in and of itself.

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Originally Posted by OKGrannie Even pro-choicers will say the fetus is alive.

RyrineaHaruno

When they are over here in the united states they have the same basic HUMAN rights like any one else, thinks to the UN AND basic human laws,..... Oh and we're forgetting that are forefather that came here were ILLEGALS, since the states belonged to the Indians"

DarkWizard12

Oh? This is news to me, according to whom?
They fought the indians and won. Your forgetting your basic government class principals. If you did, you'd see why the founding fathers were not illegals.

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Originally Posted by OKGrannie Even pro-choicers will say the fetus is alive.

bicycleman

The Indians came over here from Asia when the land masses were joined. Who was here before the Indians?

America was not yet a country then. Don't the spoils of war go to the victor? The Indians lost the fight, yet those same Indians are now American citizens and subject to the rights given them by the Constitution, not so for the illegal aliens who continue to steal the right to live here. Now if they asked for political asylum and went through the process to become naturalized American citizens, then they would be afforded the rights given to them by the US Constitution.

DarkWizard12

The founding fathers established America, they recieve de facto citizenship

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Originally Posted by OKGrannie Even pro-choicers will say the fetus is alive.

RyrineaHaruno

The UN and its HUMAN RIGHTS devision, so that still doesn't mean that they didn't come here illegally in the first place imo. So just, because we won the fight doesn't erase the fact they they were illegally here in the first place. The native americas were here first, before the settles came in the first place. Yes they got de facto citizenship for creating the United states. The settles before creating the UNITED STATES WERE ILLEGALS.

bicycleman

America is a sovereign nation, which is governed by the US Constitution. The UN and European laws do not apply to the United States. If these illegals want to be treated with the same rights as US citizens, then they should go about the process of becoming a legal citizen by first asking to be admitted into the US, not sneaking across the border.

How do you think you would be treated if you sneaked across the US border into Mexico and were caught by the Federales? Do you think they would give you UN human rights?