Regicollis

What about starting with not letting people live in tents where the temperature rises to 110 °F?

And I thought the US had a ban on cruel and unusual punishment in its founding documents.

I think you ought to consider the victims of those crimes more. They too have a problem when someone re-offends because the prison system is not up to the job of preventing recidivism. I don't want to be the victim of a burglary or a robbery because incompetent crackpots like Arpaio can't do their job properly.

Here the interests of public safety and potential victims must come before the savage retribution and primitive sadism of Arpaio and his likes. A good prison system is one that transforms criminals into productive law-abiding citizens. This can only happen through education, therapy and re-socialisation programmes.

Then I'm sure North Korean concentration camps and Saudi beheadings are not that bad either. After all people in those countries still choose to commit the crimes and thus to be punished in that way.

I don't know... maybe Kim Jong Ils death camps are really nice holiday resorts and maybe getting your head chopped off is a really fun thing to do. It must be so - otherwise people wouldn't choose to do those things

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Short of giving criminals a million dollar house in the hills after doing time, there isn't anything they CAN do to prevent recidivism for most crimes.




....Which rarely if at all work. Once a criminal ****bag its hard to turn them around. Especially if its the only way they know to make money, (I.e. Robbery, Burglary, Drug Dealing).




Beheadings are a great way to reduce recidivism.

jamesrage

Just because scumbags and scumbag sympathizers file frivolous lawsuits is no reason for Joe Arpaio to change how he runs his facilities or to make the law more lenient on criminals.


Any statistics to back that up? Preferably not from a wehatejoe.com or wefeelsorryforscum.com website

He does not torture inmates.Again do you have any evidence that he tortures inmates preferable not from a wehatejoe.com or wefeelsorryforscum.com website.

Joe deserves a medal and correctional facilities all across the county should follow his example. The fact that he runs his prisons the same with all those frivolous lawsuits is proof that inmates do not need luxuries like air conditioning, something other than bologna sandwiches and water and it is proof that inmates can work in chain gangs.

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jamesrage

I guess the USA must be torturing all those soldiers and marines going to Iraq then.Air conditioning is a luxury and people all over the the world survive in temperatures that high.



You are aware that they still executed people for crimes other than murder after the 8th amendment was written right? So obviously letting inmates stay in tents, eat bologna sandwiches, wearing pink underwear, no tv or tv with only the disney channel and weather channel on it and work in chain gangs does not fit their definition of cruel and unusual punishment.

Prisons are a place of a punishment. Prisons are not hospitals. The scumbags that get sent their are not sick nor are they in any need of medical treatment. They are there to be punished. Just like some people are punished with parole for committing certian crimes, some people are punished with community service for committing certain crimes and some are punished with fines for committing certain crimes and in some cases some are punished with death for committing certain crimes. An episode of OZ should not be the only reason for someone to fear prison. A good prison is one that is actually a punishment for inmates.





Making inmates wear pink underwear, not watch more than two channels on tv, eat bologna sandwiches and other things Joe Arpaio does is nowhere near what they do to inmates in other countries. Besides kind of hard to reoffend again if your head is cut off.

Do you have any crime rate statistics on those countries?
I bet their crime rate would be a lot higher if they were not as strict.

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Regicollis

I'm afraid you are completely wrong on this. Several systems has reduced recidivism significantly by making sure incarcerated criminals have the skills necessary to function normally in society.

If prisoners are not taught skills necessary to hold a job, solve conflicts without violence etc. he will not be able to avoid crime. It is as simple as that - if all you know how to do is being a criminal then you'll continue being a criminal.

Systems that offer therapy and education provides incarcerated criminals with a real alternative to crime.

If the only way they know how to make money is crime wouldn't it be a benefit to society if they learned other legal ways of making money?

... and civilisation too.

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Well put^^^^

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Regicollis

I thought Amnesty International was one of the most respected human rights organisations in the world but now I see that they are only "scumbag sympathizers".

But isn't it strange that there are so many "scumbags" in his district? Why don't they get as many "frivolous" lawsuits in other places?

How is it that the county didn't need a liability insurance for Arpaio's predecessor because there were so few lawsuits but now has to pay millions of dollars in settlements since Arpaio is the most lawsuit-generating sheriff?

The millions of dollars spent on settlements suggests that not all these lawsuits are frivolous.

Is it fair to let taxpayers pay for all those lost lawsuits?

The Use of Force by Detention Officers by Arizona State University criminal justice professor Marie L. Griffin.

Torture is when government authorities intentionally inflict severe physical or psychological pain and suffering on other people. Arpaio does that by his inhumane treatment of prisoners.

Not only does he engage in pointless humiliation like pink underwear. His prisoners and victims are also denied medical care, Arpaio victims has been beaten and tasered even while being bound in a medieval-style restraint chair and thus impossible to be any danger at all to anyone, victims has died because Arpaio's staff bound hoods over their heads, victims in solitary confinement have ended up with signs of severe beatings. How is that not torture?

You can read more about Arpaio's cruel, costly and inefficient system here.

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Regicollis

Soldiers in the Iraq war signed up for military service voluntary.

So because executions still exist any kind of cruel and degrading treatment goes? What point is there in having the 8th amendment then?

Many people who go to jail suffers from mental disorders that has led them into crime. It is also common for criminals to have problems with substance abuse. Treatment helps reduce crime by reducing the factors that leads people into crime.

Actually sick people are being sent to prison. In Arpaio's system they don't receive necessary medical care although Arpaio is obliged to provide it.

For instance a prisoner who reported he had a dangerous infectious disease did not only not receive treatment but was placed with the general prison population in overcrowded cells.

A good prison is one that prevents crime. A prison that is just cruel without reducing crime is not worth the taxpayers' money.

I assure you that in jurisdictions with less Stalinesque prison systems people still fears incarceration.

You should also remember that convicted criminals are not the only victims of Arpaio. Pre-trial detainees - who have not been proven guilty of anything ad thus should be considered innocent - are also subjected to the inhumane conditions in Arpaio's concentration camps.

Since they are still sending people to concentration camps and still carrying out executions I feel safe to assume that these draconic measures has not eliminated crime.

It is a myth that cruelty prevents crime. Although crime rates are as good as impossible to compare across countries something suggests that humane prison systems don't lead to more crime. For instance Western European countries experiences significantly few murders than the United States although there is widespread cruelty in the American system.

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jamesrage

Isn't amnesty international one of those so called human rights groups that always pisses and moans every time Israel defends itself but doesn't say **** about( or at most gives token condemnations) Palestinians using human shields, launching rockets into Israeli neighbors. The same amnesty internation who claimed terrorist were being tortured in Gitmo even though they never witnessed any torture occur and one has to wonder if they ever stepped foot inside Gitmo. The same Amnesty INternational that says detaining criminals who trespassed into this country is a violation of their rights. Are you talking about that Amnesty International?

Maybe because other places coddle criminals.


Scumbags do not like to actually be punished so they file frivolous lawsuits.

The only thing it suggest is a ignorant jury or a jury that was manipulated by ambulance chasers.

Is it fair to coddle criminals just because scumbags and scumbag sympathizers file frivolous lawsuits?

How has he inhumanely treated his inmates?



It could be argued that prison stripes or orange jumpsuits are humiliating. So your point is not valid.

Newspaper allegations and allegations made by scumbags and scumbag sympathizers is not evidence of anything.

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randel

all excellent points james