Toothpicvic

We're not talking about apes. We're talking about humans. Most evidence shows that violent crimes (including murder and rape) aren't motivated by "reproductive urges". That is why we have rapists who've agreed to castration committing a sexual assault again after their release (even minus their balls) and straight males in prison gang-raping other male inmates.

Sov

First, we're talking about sexually violent crimes, not violent crimes generally. Second, I'd rather say sexual urges. I prefer not to rely primarily on evo psych for any of my arguments.
Non sequitur. Castration need not eliminate the libido. That's why we have male to female transsexuals who have undergone SRS and still report a sex drive. That's why genetic women have a sex drive even though they never had any testicles to begin with. Many women report frequency of thoughts about sex in the male-typical range even though their serum testosterone is no higher than that of eunuchs. There are straight males who have sex with sheep when they are sexually frustrated enough; this does not mean they are doing it "for power, not sex." And other men are much closer substitutes for women than sheep.

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Sixty queens there may be, and eighty concubines, and virgins beyond number; but my dove, my perfect one, is unique, the only daughter of her mother, the favorite of the one who bore her.
Song of Solomon 6:8,9

Sov

I know a good deal about research on sex predators. The bulk of empirical research strongly indicates that men who rape women are disproportionately heterosexuals, men who rape men are disproportionately homosexuals (outside "prison culture") and men who rape prepubescent children are disproportionately pedophiles. This is consistent with the theory that most rape is substantially sexually motivated.

Heterosexual male rapists primarily rape young women (~12-29), and rarely rape elderly women, which is also consistent with sexual motivation.

Also consistent with this theory is that exclusive pedophiles are more likely than non-exclusive pedophiles to rape prepubescents. Heteropedophiles tend to rape female children, homopedophiles male children and bisexual pedophiles rape prepubescents generally. Nepiophiles (pedophiles preferentially attracted to infants and toddlers) tend to sexually molest infants and toddlers.

The above concerns rape by men. Research on female rapists and molesters also indicates sexual motivation though there is indication that their sexual preferences tend to be less fixed.
I think you don't want the documented evidence to back it up, which is another thing entirely.

If you were right then we'd be seeing preferentially homosexual men raping women much more often than they do, i.e., virtually never. They do rape other men.

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Sixty queens there may be, and eighty concubines, and virgins beyond number; but my dove, my perfect one, is unique, the only daughter of her mother, the favorite of the one who bore her.
Song of Solomon 6:8,9

RyrineaHaruno

That ok ^^

Sov

Humans are certainly much more advanced in proficiency at killing large numbers of their own species.

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Sixty queens there may be, and eighty concubines, and virgins beyond number; but my dove, my perfect one, is unique, the only daughter of her mother, the favorite of the one who bore her.
Song of Solomon 6:8,9

Korimyr the Rat

That's a fairly recent development, in evolutionary terms, and it is only evidence of our far greater proficiency in the development of technology-- something our species rightfully prides itself in.

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Sov

To a good extent, the technological and military history of Europeans fits well with this view, though humans can do a lot of mass killing with very little technology (e.g., prehistoric mass graves with evidence of combat using very basic stone weapons; and more recently, look at what many Africans pull off with little more than machetes).

Still, couldn't resist a snappy comeback to the post about humans being more advanced.

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Sixty queens there may be, and eighty concubines, and virgins beyond number; but my dove, my perfect one, is unique, the only daughter of her mother, the favorite of the one who bore her.
Song of Solomon 6:8,9

Korimyr the Rat

You say that's very little technology, but think for a second what all went into the construction of those machetes. A band of chimpanzees can exterminate another band with sticks and rocks, they can break off branches to make better clubs and even wear them down into points for spears, but they can't use one rock to chip away at another until it has an edge that can slice through flesh. They can't pull raw metal from the Earth, build a fire hot enough to melt it, and hammer it into a three-foot-long blade that can crack a skull easier than a fist-sized stone that weighs five times as much.

A handful of angry Rwandans may be able to commit a Hell of a lot of murder with nothing more than machetes, but I don't think you appreciate the significance of the fact that they had to make the machetes first. Then you look at the industrialized nations, who've spent the last sixty-four years trying to invent better ways of killing each other with the very building blocks of the universe.

And murder's only one of the ways we're better than chimps.

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WI Crippler

Admit it though. Those little ****ers are way better at tax evasion.

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Toothpicvic

So straight men can be attracted to other males if they're desperate enough? Doesn't that make them bi?