Agnapostate

Well, considering what's been said, I suspect many people here wouldn't consider it equivalent. Personally, I regard such an equivalence as offensive to legitimate rape victims.

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The workmen desire to get as much, the master to give as little as possible...It is not, however, difficult to foresee which of the two parties must, upon all ordinary occasions, have the advantage in the dispute, and force the other into a compliance with their terms. -Adam Smith

Toothpicvic

O rly?

RyrineaHaruno

Three women rape man for 4 days | New York | Yelp

Woman on trial for raping 10 men | Say What?


Local Man Claims Woman Raped Him - San Diego News Story - KGTV San Diego

Yes woman can rape men........ By saying that woman are weak, or man want sex all the time is stpuid. Rape is a horrible act.

Aunt Spiker

Oh good heavens - of course women can sexual assault men.
You can be sexually asaulted or raped without ever being penetrated by a fleshed penis *shrug*

People always thing "sex" when they read "rape"

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RyrineaHaruno

Exactly, I was replying to some idtio who said women couldn't rape men.

Sov

I agree, but the sexist as well as ageist double standards should be eliminated. If you're a girl, then old enough to masturbate should = old enough to bang a man (or woman). No girl in her right mind would complain anyway.

I don't mean sexist against men so much as sexist against women. The notion that a young woman's body is "sacred," that she can't enjoy sex without being in a "relationship," or somehow losing her "dignity," is a form of control of female sexuality. This form may be more subtle than the forms observable in blatantly tribal-patriarchal societies such as Saudi Arabia or Iran, but it is control even so.
If one's version of "common sense" is not necessarily that common then perhaps it is a misnomer. Unfortunately females were objectified as helpless victims with no sexuality of their own (the furthest from what any female liberationist should want) and this has been especially focused on young women. Now the hysteria around "underage" and "innocent" sex is bleeding over to young men too.

The solution is to deconstruct the sexual hysteria, repression, and sexist as well as ageist double standards. If we accept them as inevitable, the longer they continue, the worse they will get.

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Sixty queens there may be, and eighty concubines, and virgins beyond number; but my dove, my perfect one, is unique, the only daughter of her mother, the favorite of the one who bore her.
Song of Solomon 6:8,9

Sov

One can find examples of individual females and males being given tough sentences for "sex crimes," but it does not follow that the sexes are treated the same in these regards overall.

Comparing the lists of registered sex offenders from one major city to another can be an eye opener (though I knew about the double standards anyway from other research). The proportion of RSOs who are female varies dramatically, indicating that law enforcers in some areas take female sex criminals more seriously than in others. I'm referring to the proportion of truly violent RSOs too. Child sex murder, sexual assault of 4 year old, running a <13 child prostitution ring, participation in a kidnapping and sexual assault of a <13 year old, etc. Not having sex with horny teenagers.

If many people do not believe that female "sex offenders" exist, or are a serious enough problem to be concerned about (both readily observable beliefs in large chunks of the population), then this will tend to affect enforcement. Female sex offenders are therefore less likely to be found in the first place; when they are found, less likely to be prosecuted; when prosecuted, less likely to be convicted, when convicted, less likely to receive a prison sentence; after sentenced, more likely to be paroled and less likely to have to register as a SO for life.

This may seem good news for women to the myopic. But in the big picture it's not. It reflects the aforementioned sexism which sees women (especially younger women) as helpless, innocent damsels in distress. This makes sense in societies such as those of the modern west, as opposed to more blatantly patriarchal societies where the institutionalized means of sexual repression are more direct (e.g. FGM, honor killings, burkas, etc).

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Sixty queens there may be, and eighty concubines, and virgins beyond number; but my dove, my perfect one, is unique, the only daughter of her mother, the favorite of the one who bore her.
Song of Solomon 6:8,9

Aunt Spiker

So was I - I quoted you, though, sorry

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Sov

Most rapes are about power and about sex. Rapists themselves tend to admit to be sexually motivated.

This is not either/or. Power can be sexual, and sexuality can be powerful. Consider the popularity of consensual BDSM and rape roleplay. These are outlets for "darker" currents of sexuality within the framework of mutual consent. The difference is that rapists and non-consensual sadists in general don't necessarily bother with consent.

There are still studies finding that significant proportions of college men, for example, admit that they might commit a rape if they knew they would not get caught. Until fairly recently, marital rape was legal throughout the Western world and in the late 19th century U.S. it was even illegal to publicly criticize it.

It makes excellent sense that all else being equal, a sexually frustrated individual will be more likely to commit rape (or sexual harassment for that matter). That ties in with why Islamist men, for example, can easily go crazy at the flash of a woman's ankle. You'd certainly be much more likely to be gang-raped in one of their neighborhoods than in a neighborhood where sexually liberal people live.

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Sixty queens there may be, and eighty concubines, and virgins beyond number; but my dove, my perfect one, is unique, the only daughter of her mother, the favorite of the one who bore her.
Song of Solomon 6:8,9

Sov

Really, why is it so difficult for many people to look beyond false dichotomies and see that rape can easily be about power AND sex? That men who commit rape might be doing it for sexual gratification, both from the sexual activity itself and the act of domination? The problem isn't acknowledging that men can have a sexual motivation in forcing themselves on others, but in failing to acknowledge that women can too.

Why is it so difficult to believe that women might force themselves on young people, on each other and even adult men and sexually get off on it? I mean there are sex murderers who get off sexually on the act of sex murder, yet we're not supposed to believe that there are rapists who get off sexually on simple rape? I'll back up this whole paragraph in one fell swoop. Dr. Deborah Schurman-Kauflin on female sex murderers:

They enjoy the feeling they get when using objects to rape. In fact, female rape killers will often use jagged instruments when they attack. These women are especially brutal with female victims, and will almost always mutilate the genitalia. Such women have told me that they chose to hurt their victims so viciously because it turned them on. Like their male counterparts, it was sexually exciting.

Female Sex Killers: The Devious Predators : The Criminal Report Daily : Investigation Discovery


^Confessed female sex murderer Melissa Huckaby on left, her victim on right.

We know that consensual sexual sadomasochism is very possible, so why would nonconsensual sexual sadomasochism be impossible?

Are we seriously supposed to believe that sex tourists who travel to use forced prostitutes don't usually have a sexual motivation? Of course they enjoy being in control and may get very sadistic, but all that can have a sexual dimension too.

Why should everyday rape back home be so different?

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Sixty queens there may be, and eighty concubines, and virgins beyond number; but my dove, my perfect one, is unique, the only daughter of her mother, the favorite of the one who bore her.
Song of Solomon 6:8,9