Live in San Fran? Don't light your fireplace...

MrVicchio · 12-06-08, 11:07 AM

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Well now, we have the fireplace police out in force in California's Bay Area, sniffing out illicit smoke. Under a law passed in July, on so-called Spare the Air days this winter, it will be illegal for 1.4 million residents to burn wood in the fireplaces on their own private property. And they will enforce it with all the gusto that liberal busybodies can muster. According to the San Francisco Chronicle, "The fireplace police say they are determined to keep law and order in the living room."

Color me confused, but does the liberal mantra that the government is to stay out of our bedrooms not apply to the rest of the house? Nevertheless, no matter what room you use to try and hide out from government intrusion, you'd best be sure to do it with the lights off, unless the bulbs therein meet with the approval of you-know-who.

What can be the reason for denying citizens the warmth of a winter fire that would save them lots of money during these hard times? Says a district spokeswoman: "This is a major health threat. The weather conditions are such that smoke is trapped closer to the ground and anyone with respiratory problems will have a hard time breathing." So once again, the tyranny of the minority shall rule the land in the form of a few unfortunates who have breathing woes.

So, anyone who is against the ban and would suggest that those poor souls merely stay indoors during high pollutant periods must be an insensitive lout, yes? But what about the ghastly pollutants that occur in the summer time? What does our nanny recommend then? "People who are especially sensitive to pollution are advised to limit their time outdoors, particularly in the afternoon hours."

The bureaucrats in charge of enforcement of this heinous dictate also helpfully provide a toll-free number (1-877-4NO-BURN) so you can snitch on your inconsiderate and Earth-hating neighbors. This little trick was a favorite of fascists and Communists for decades, so no one should be surprised that dropping a dime on your fellow Americans is considered by liberals to be a civic-minded duty. Indeed, pediatricians around the country are already inducing children to inform on their parents' habits; nothing like giving the little tykes a lesson in citizenship.

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Yes, that's right... you, in your own home... cannot light a fire to stay warm, to enjoy the fire, or hell cause you want too. If you do so and you do so on a "banned day" you could be in real trouble.

This is what's coming to a city near you!

** Goodness Vic, it's LIVE, not LINE... the hells?

jfuh · 12-06-08, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MrVicchio

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Yes, that's right... you, in your own home... cannot light a fire to stay warm, to enjoy the fire, or hell cause you want too. If you do so and you do so on a "banned day" you could be in real trouble.

This is what's coming to a city near you!

** Goodness Vic, it's LIVE, not LINE... the hells?

I don't see what the big problem is?
For those of us living in the 21st century how many still rely on hearth fire for warmth? So out goes that whole non-sense. The fireplace is used for enjoyment and entertainment purposes - not a neccessity.
I assume you do not live in California, but most people that do do not use wood burning hearths, but instead use synthetic natural gas which is not affected by this legislation at all.
Finally, "spare the Air" day is as follows.

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Winter Spare the Air

From November to February, particulate matter — especially particulate matter 2.5 microns or smaller in size (PM2.5) — can become a problem in the Bay Area. To protect public health, the Air District will issue a Winter Spare the Air Alert when PM2.5 concentrations are expected to be unhealthy. When a Winter Spare the Air Alert is in effect, burning wood, firelogs, or pellets in your fireplace or woodstove is illegal. Wood burning produces about one-third of the particulate pollution on a typical winter night.
Wood Smoke Pollution
The nine counties that surround San Francisco Bay are home to almost seven million residents and an estimated 1.4 million fireplaces and woodstoves. Wood smoke air pollution from these wood-burning appliances has been a health concern in the Bay Area for many years, especially on winter evenings.

Learn more about the health effects of wood smoke.
See the Spare the Air 2007-2008, 2006-2007, 2005-2006, and 2004-2005 Winter Surveys of Bay Area residents.
View historical "box scores" listing the number of times particulate matter standards have been exceeded in the Bay Area.

So in reality, this isn't that big an issue at all, even less so than smoking regulations. Not to mention this isn't a full time ban, but only on certain days in which particulate matter is very high. I have high doubts that anyone would just coincidentally on that exact day would suddenly have a failure of their home heating and would be unable to deal with a the rediculously freezing cold of a November through Feburary in SF that drops to an average of 49.

Dezaad · 12-06-08, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MrVicchio

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Yes, that's right... you, in your own home... cannot light a fire to stay warm, to enjoy the fire, or hell cause you want too. If you do so and you do so on a "banned day" you could be in real trouble.

This is what's coming to a city near you!

This happens in other cities in America as well, like Boise, ID: Hardly a bastion of liberalism. It is because Boise experiences air temperature inversions that lock in to it's air whatever local people put into that air.

So, you think that you should be able to do whatever you want on your own property even if what you are doing harms other people? There is no 1st world place on Earth that affords you that privilege. Perhaps you should go live someplace that is less civilized.

Lerxst · 12-06-08, 08:44 PM

How come any attempt to deal with pollution or the environment on any level is so frequently met with a typical "liberal busybody" spasm? Seriously...do the rightwing conservatives not care about pollution? Or does it seem to be contained to this forum only?

Voidwar · 12-08-08, 11:46 AM

Mankind evolved under CONSTANT exposure to woodsmoke.

It is a natural by product of tool-using primates.

People with lung issues, shouldn't be living ANYWHERE in SoCal in the first place.

This law is pure horse**** and anyone that supports it is a nannystate fool.

the makeout hobo · 12-08-08, 12:31 PM

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Mankind evolved under CONSTANT exposure to woodsmoke.

It is a natural by product of tool-using primates.

People with lung issues, shouldn't be living ANYWHERE in SoCal in the first place.

This law is pure horse**** and anyone that supports it is a nannystate fool.

San Francisco is in Norcal, not Socal. Please get your geography right. Secondly, are you willing to pay to evacuate everyone with lung issues in California? If not, STFU.

Voidwar · 12-08-08, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by the makeout hobo

San Francisco is in Norcal, not Socal.

A map will tell you its "Middle" Cal.

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Please get your geography right.

I've family friends from the Sacramento area, and they call anything south of Sacremento "So-Cal".

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Secondly, are you willing to pay to evacuate everyone with lung issues in California? If not, STFU.

Hell no. If you need to move for your health, then you foot the bill, entitlement junky.

the makeout hobo · 12-08-08, 01:11 PM

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A map will tell you its "Middle" Cal.

I've family friends from the Sacramento area, and they call anything south of Sacremento "So-Cal".

No one uses "middle-cal". There is some very limited use of "cen-cal", but popular usage considers SF part of "norcal". You don't live here, so you

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Hell no. If you need to move for your health, then you foot the bill, entitlement junky.

Stop the personal attacks. Please explain to me why you have the right to burn wood on a day with bad air quality, when your burning wood will impact MY health?

Voidwar · 12-08-08, 01:14 PM

I feel like burning wood. If I can't, I get stressed. This negatively impacts my health, so we are at an empass.

Your health issue is just, quite simply, made up.

PROVE that woodsmoke, in particular, has a greater negative impact than stress, or YOU STFU.

Sir Loin · 12-08-08, 01:23 PM

Yes yes, go after the private home owner for heating his home with a wood fire on a “spare the air” day. Because ya know, we can’t go after Burger King and the local Steakhouse chain, we can’t go after all the businesses (who also have lawyers) that have massive particulate releases daily. The little guys in their houses, they are destroying the environment by heating their home with a wood fire!

Jesus and it has gotten just this stupid, but hey all concerned can slap each other on the back and feel smug as they know they are saving the planet. One lit fireplace at a time. Chuckle.

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Voidwar Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Last Seen: 12-29-09 09:41 AM Posts: 5,122 Thanks: 408 Thanked 606 Times in 450 Posts	Re: Live in San Fran? Don't light your fireplace... Mankind evolved under CONSTANT exposure to woodsmoke. It is a natural by product of tool-using primates. People with lung issues, shouldn't be living ANYWHERE in SoCal in the first place. This law is pure horse**** and anyone that supports it is a nannystate fool.

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Voidwar Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Last Seen: 12-29-09 09:41 AM Posts: 5,122 Thanks: 408 Thanked 606 Times in 450 Posts	Re: Live in San Fran? Don't light your fireplace... I feel like burning wood. If I can't, I get stressed. This negatively impacts my health, so we are at an empass. Your health issue is just, quite simply, made up. PROVE that woodsmoke, in particular, has a greater negative impact than stress, or YOU STFU.

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Sir Loin Distillate of Mjolnir Join Date: Oct 2007 Last Seen: Today 05:46 PM Posts: 2,769 Thanks: 781 Thanked 829 Times in 547 Posts	Re: Live in San Fran? Don't light your fireplace... Yes yes, go after the private home owner for heating his home with a wood fire on a “spare the air” day. Because ya know, we can’t go after Burger King and the local Steakhouse chain, we can’t go after all the businesses (who also have lawyers) that have massive particulate releases daily. The little guys in their houses, they are destroying the environment by heating their home with a wood fire! Jesus and it has gotten just this stupid, but hey all concerned can slap each other on the back and feel smug as they know they are saving the planet. One lit fireplace at a time. Chuckle.

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