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The ft. Lauderdale shootings

MickeyW

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There was another mass shooting in a gun-free zone: this time in the Ft. Lauderdale airport in Florida. As I have said repeatedly, the most dangerous place in the world to be is in a gun-free zone. An example is the heavily gun-controlled city of Chicago. In a place where very few good guys are legally allowed to possess a firearm, some 762 people were murdered during 2016. That’s over two per day.

And true to form, the mass shootings in Ft. Lauderdale make no more sense than any of the other mass shootings in this country--except that they took place in a gun-free zone, of course. Here’s what we’ve been told:
Chuck Baldwin -- The Ft. Lauderdale Shootings


Same thing I've been preaching for over 3 decades.
 
I'll take another infraction, if only because I have family in the Ft Lauderdale area that live not five minutes away from the airport.

You are without a doubt, one of the most disgusting, vile pieces of human filth on the forum today. This "Gun free zone" you are talking about, was the baggage claim area. A baggage claim area that plays Calypso music when luggage is being put out on the conveyor belts. If you're suggesting airlines should allow civilians to openly carry on flights you're fucking deranged. Piss off with your faux concern for shootings, all you care about is playing political football with the lives of innocent people who were shot by a deranged lunatic.
 
I'll take another infraction, if only because I have family in the Ft Lauderdale area that live not five minutes away from the airport.

You are without a doubt, one of the most disgusting, vile pieces of human filth on the forum today. This "Gun free zone" you are talking about, was the baggage claim area. A baggage claim area that plays Calypso music when luggage is being put out on the conveyor belts. If you're suggesting airlines should allow civilians to openly carry on flights you're fucking deranged. Piss off with your faux concern for shootings, all you care about is playing political football with the lives of innocent people who were shot by a deranged lunatic.

That's painful to read.
 
There is a lot of FRUIT LOOPS in that opinion piece but this is right:

Confirming once again that war, to those who are sent to fight them, is absolute hell, newly released Pentagon statistics show that suicide--not combat--is the leading killer of US troops deployed to the Middle East.

“According to a report in USA Today this week, of the 31 troops who have died as of Dec. 27 in Operation Inherent Resolve, 11 have taken their own lives. Eight died in combat, seven in accidents and four succumbed to illness or injury.

“These new numbers confirm a trend that’s been in place since the beginning of the prolonged occupation of the Middle East.

“Earlier this year, the DoD released a similar report from 2014 that revealed some startling numbers. In all of 2014, a total of 55 US troops, in both hostile and non-hostile situations, lost their lives in foreign occupations. The number of soldiers who killed themselves was nearly 5 times that amount.

“According to the DoD report, in 2014, there were 269 deaths by suicide among active component service members (compared to 259 deaths by suicide in 2013).”

“In war, human lives become units to be traded as a commodity to aid in the expansion of the State. When they are no longer deemed useful, these human lives are then tossed out like yesterday’s garbage.

“Treating human beings in such a brutal and inhumane manner is not without consequence.

“Not only are active duty soldiers tragically ending their own lives at an increasing rate, but once they finish their service, these numbers skyrocket.


Some soldiers have done more than 5 years total of shooting war(in combat theater), sometimes really nasty stuff, in a the military of a failing superpower that was fine with WaterBoarding and other abuses and tended to be incompetent at the main work. My wife was part of an Armour Cavalry Regiment where at the post deployment ball we spouses had to sit through a half hour a video of these guys blasting the hell out of everything as the guys sat around post dinner and whooped it up. This was some really nasty ****, it was pure sadism both in that room that night and from all appearances on that film from Iraq . Rumor had it (it was more than Rumor actually) that war crimes had been committed and brushed under the rug by top level commanders. If anyone is shocked that Bradley Manning was sent to Iraq to handle classified information they should not be, bodies where in short supply, and lots of folks did not want to go to Iraq, the policy in the end was "send them all no matter what they say unless you absolutely cant". In some units the women were routinely under so much pressure to have sex with the guys that their encounters can not by any stretch of the imagination be call consensual.

This is what our nation did.

Is it any wonder that so many lives were wrecked in the process?

It is criminal what we did to Americans who served us in our really stupid in concept and really poorly run war.

I think I know what this shooting was all about, it was a well deserved "**** YOU AMERICA!" by a guy failing to understand how America could do and do to him what we have done.

*Note: the taking of lives in protest/pain was not "well deserved", the anger towards America however was*
 
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He's not wrong.

I don't know if Mickey thinks people should be allowed to carry on flights but he certainly didn't indicate that in the OP so, yeah, Pancake was at least a little wrong.

ANYBODY can just walk into the baggage claim area off the street. I do it all the time when I am picking people up from the airport. I leave my sidearm locked in my car when I do because I am required by law. I don't like it. However, I have no problem against gun free zones if everyone entering that zone is checked. Such as planes and everywhere in the airport past security. However, gun free zones that don't involve screening simply make us fish in the barrel for would be shooters.

If you have a gun free zone then you should screen the people entering it and you must provide trained, armed security at the checkpoint for protection. Otherwise, at least allow me the ability to defend myself.
 
There is a lot of FRUIT LOOPS in that opinion piece but this is right:




Some soldiers have done more than 5 years total of shooting war(in combat theater), sometimes really nasty stuff, in a the military of a failing superpower that was fine with WaterBoarding and other abuses and tended to be incompetent at the main work. My wife was part of an Armour Cavalry Regiment where at the post deployment ball we spouses had to sit through a half hour a video of these guys blasting the hell out of everything as the guys sat around post dinner and whooped it up. This was some really nasty ****, it was pure sadism both in that room that night and from all appearances on that film from Iraq . Rumor had it (it was more than Rumor actually) that war crimes had been committed and brushed under the rug by top level commanders. If anyone is shocked that Bradley Manning was sent to Iraq to handle classified information they should not be, bodies where in short supply, and lots of folks did not want to go to Iraq, the policy in the end was "send them all no matter what they say unless you absolutely cant". In some units the women were routinely under so much pressure to have sex with the guys that their encounters can not by any stretch of the imagination be call consensual.

This is what our nation did.

Is it any wonder that so many lives were wrecked in the process?

It is criminal what we did to Americans who served us in our really stupid in concept and really poorly run war.

I think I know what this shooting was all about, it was a well deserved "**** YOU AMERICA!" by a guy failing to understand how America could do and do to him what we have done.

*Note: the taking of lives in protest/pain was not "well deserved", the anger towards America however was*

Thank you for speaking the truth.

I've read that by about 2005, the number of troops killed by suicide exceeded the number of troops killed by hostile fire.
 
Thank you for speaking the truth.

I've read that by about 2005, the number of troops killed by suicide exceeded the number of troops killed by hostile fire.

And what of any of this truth do we ever hear out of the assholes in Washington who did this?

And THEN they are shocked that Trump is here!!

THey are some stupid mother****ers.

AND moral reprobates.

But look at how even today these ********ers are found to be constantly handing out lectures on behavior and "right thinking".

As they stand there scratching their heads trying to figure out why the Little People are so angry all the time.

Asking why we dont believe them anymore, why we dont just follow our directions so nicely as we used to.

The strange thing is not that we got us a TRUMP.

It's that we didn't get one sooner.
 
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And what of any of this truth do we ever hear out of the assholes in Washington who did this?

And THEN they are shocked that Trump is here!!

THey are some stupid mother****ers.

AND moral reprobates.

But look at how even today these ********ers are found to be constantly handing out lectures on behavior and "right thinking".

As they stand there scratching their heads trying to figure out why the Little People are so angry all the time.

Asking why we dont believe them anymore, why we dont just follow our directions so nicely as we used to.

The strange thing is not that we got us a TRUMP.

It's that we didn't get one sooner.

Ok, so I completely empathize with the tragedy you're describing in your post, it's absolutely terrible, and frankly unacceptable.

I'm confused as to how you think Trump will help though. Republicans are the ones who put us into that mess. Dems pulled us out.
 
Ok, so I completely empathize with the tragedy you're describing in your post, it's absolutely terrible, and frankly unacceptable.

I'm confused as to how you think Trump will help though. Republicans are the ones who put us into that mess. Dems pulled us out.

Trump is not a Republican.

He is a Trump.






Crazzy Bernie:
“Trump took on the Republican establishment, he took on the Democratic establishment, took on the media establishment and he ended up winning the election to become president of the United States. And that is an extraordinary accomplishment. And it talks about perseverance, it talks about very strong political instincts, it talks about a way to connect with people,”
Bernie Sanders heaps praise on Donald Trump | New York Post
 
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Ok but why does this mean he'll help the troops?

You are thinking too shallow to understand.

This is about the leaders losing their followers after horrible performance.

THis is about a demand that they either be reformed or replaced, with Trump being the sheriff sent to town to lead the effort.

We sent Obama to do the job 8 years ago, but the PRICK stiffed us.
 
You are thinking too shallow to understand.

This is about the leaders losing their followers after horrible performance.

THis is about a demand that they either be reformed or replaced, with Trump being the sheriff sent to town to lead the effort.

We sent Obama to do the job 8 years ago, but the PRICK stiffed us.

So it's not about Trump, it's about 'not what we had before'.

Got it.
 
So it's not about Trump, it's about 'not what we had before'.

Got it.

It is about Washington being broken for a long time.

It is about the fact that Washington needs to work if America is to work.
 
the most dangerous place in the world to be is in a gun-free zone.

It's actually probably Syria or some place in the ME that we're bombing.
 
I'll take another infraction, if only because I have family in the Ft Lauderdale area that live not five minutes away from the airport.

You are without a doubt, one of the most disgusting, vile pieces of human filth on the forum today. This "Gun free zone" you are talking about, was the baggage claim area. A baggage claim area that plays Calypso music when luggage is being put out on the conveyor belts. If you're suggesting airlines should allow civilians to openly carry on flights you're fucking deranged. Piss off with your faux concern for shootings, all you care about is playing political football with the lives of innocent people who were shot by a deranged lunatic.

I am not quite sure where all your anger comes from seeing as there was much factual information in the article presented; it was a real news event and people are trying...not necessarily to make sense of it if that is possible...but rather decide a proper path in a free society as to how to address our rights to defend ourselves, the justifications for wars and the conditions under which we send our sons and daughters into combat then the sufficiency with which we welcome them back home. That as well as the aspects of terrorism and the threat of terrorism and how we should deal with that with the least impact to our many cherished liberties.

Yours was a rant without much substance and a lot of fairly inconsequential airport ambiance that seems to have nothing to do with the crime perpetrated in the Ft Lauderdale International Airport. Maybe you can explain to me, as I might have missed it in the article or in the OP, where you feel that someone was actively asserting anybody but air marshals might want/need to carry on a flight? The airport itself is all I saw mentioned... but correct me if I am wrong.
 
You are thinking too shallow to understand.

This is about the leaders losing their followers after horrible performance.

THis is about a demand that they either be reformed or replaced, with Trump being the sheriff sent to town to lead the effort.

We sent Obama to do the job 8 years ago, but the PRICK stiffed us.

Boy did he ever. He stiffed the whole country by being a divisive, racist, lying, asshole!

It is about Washington being broken for a long time.

It is about the fact that Washington needs to work if America is to work.

Correct.

It's actually probably Syria or some place in the ME that we're bombing.

Still a gun free zone since so many citizens are unarmed and victims. The rebels have been begging the US for help, and obama wussed out because he is a wuss!

Worldwide, unarmed = helpless victims! Got it? Only 8 days left for the POS to be in office!
 
I'll take another infraction, if only because I have family in the Ft Lauderdale area that live not five minutes away from the airport.

You are without a doubt, one of the most disgusting, vile pieces of human filth on the forum today. This "Gun free zone" you are talking about, was the baggage claim area. A baggage claim area that plays Calypso music when luggage is being put out on the conveyor belts. If you're suggesting airlines should allow civilians to openly carry on flights you're fucking deranged. Piss off with your faux concern for shootings, all you care about is playing political football with the lives of innocent people who were shot by a deranged lunatic.

The first rule of discussing politics: don't make it personal
 
There is a lot of FRUIT LOOPS in that opinion piece but this is right:

Some soldiers have done more than 5 years total of shooting war(in combat theater), sometimes really nasty stuff, in a the military of a failing superpower that was fine with WaterBoarding and other abuses and tended to be incompetent at the main work. My wife was part of an Armour Cavalry Regiment where at the post deployment ball we spouses had to sit through a half hour a video of these guys blasting the hell out of everything as the guys sat around post dinner and whooped it up. This was some really nasty ****, it was pure sadism both in that room that night and from all appearances on that film from Iraq . Rumor had it (it was more than Rumor actually) that war crimes had been committed and brushed under the rug by top level commanders. If anyone is shocked that Bradley Manning was sent to Iraq to handle classified information they should not be, bodies where in short supply, and lots of folks did not want to go to Iraq, the policy in the end was "send them all no matter what they say unless you absolutely cant". In some units the women were routinely under so much pressure to have sex with the guys that their encounters can not by any stretch of the imagination be call consensual.

This is what our nation did.

Is it any wonder that so many lives were wrecked in the process?

It is criminal what we did to Americans who served us in our really stupid in concept and really poorly run war.

I think I know what this shooting was all about, it was a well deserved "**** YOU AMERICA!" by a guy failing to understand how America could do and do to him what we have done.

*Note: the taking of lives in protest/pain was not "well deserved", the anger towards America however was*

I hear what you are saying...

The fruit loopish part might be a bit too much. After this last administration and coming into the new one, we are in a bit of a free fall with regard to knowing who we can trust to tell us what might be, who knows anymore, just what might be the truth? If the mainstream media can be telling us with a straight face and anonymous "intelligence" reporting, our number one spy guys saying its true but supplying way late and not verifiable evidence that our president elect is, in effect the Moscovian Candidate, how can the plausible supposition in this mass shooter article, with some pretty good questions as to just what exactly ...and how.... it all exactly happened in Ft Laud be too much? How is that to be considered outlandish, froot loopish, in comparison to what we are expected to believe at a much higher level?

Unfortunately, almost anything that is plausible can now seem possible these days.

There is a concerning thing about the article in that it seems to misrepresent the VA's 2012 Suicide Data Report stating that the report went on to say:

In a 2012 report put out by the Veterans Administration, it was estimated that up to 22 veterans a day kill themselves. That is 8,000 lives a year--almost one per hour.”

The report goes on to say:

“If you really want to ‘support the troops’ you’ll stop supporting wars of aggression in distant lands in which Americans are forced to kill people who pose no threat to the US.

“If you really ‘support the troops’ you’ll stop blindly standing up for your government whose proven track record shows that they do everything but support the troops.

“If you really support the troops, you’ll educate yourself on who is behind these wars, why they are waged, and how US foreign policy actually creates enemies. ISIS would not exist had the US not remained hell bent on overthrowing the Assad regime for the benefit of special interests in DC.

“Pledging blind obedience and unquestioning support for wars that one’s government illegally wages at the expense of our sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, and mothers and fathers, is the antithesis of what a free person should do--and anything but ‘supporting the troops
.’”

That seemed a strange policy prescription, however true it may or may not be, being a statement said to be in a report issued by the VA.

Actually that is what the referenced article at Activist Post - Alternative News & Independent Views by author Matt Agorist says, not the VA report. I perused the entire report and then went back to both articles and it was not the VA report but the article itself saying such.

Though we most assuredly have been in more direct peril previously, we actually do have a nation in very dire straits after this administration is through with us, ... but to take a play of their play book maybe we should not let this crisis go to waste, we should change... for the better...so a lot for us, Trump and company our mission ought to be to repair if that is their aim... which I am hoping it truly is.

Knock on wood, fingers crossed.
 
Still a gun free zone since so many citizens are unarmed and victims. The rebels have been begging the US for help, and obama wussed out because he is a wuss!

Worldwide, unarmed = helpless victims! Got it? Only 8 days left for the POS to be in office!

The south side is still safer than Aleppo, so would certainly help to not lie in your opening argument.
 
I'll take another infraction, if only because I have family in the Ft Lauderdale area that live not five minutes away from the airport.

You are without a doubt, one of the most disgusting, vile pieces of human filth on the forum today. This "Gun free zone" you are talking about, was the baggage claim area. A baggage claim area that plays Calypso music when luggage is being put out on the conveyor belts. If you're suggesting airlines should allow civilians to openly carry on flights you're fucking deranged. Piss off with your faux concern for shootings, all you care about is playing political football with the lives of innocent people who were shot by a deranged lunatic.

You are clearly off base with your outrage toward me. Pretty good discourse of hate toward freedom of speech. It should be directed at the perps who commit these crimes.
I know full well where it was and they apparently don't have any armed security there...thus, a gun free zone.
I didn't author the OP, but I sure could have.

So, are you saying that Calypso music somehow negates security and safety? I never said anything about civilians openly carrying on flights, although back in the day, many did, w/o incident. ;)
What does you having family there, have anything at all to do with the incident discussed?
 
The south side is still safer than Aleppo, so would certainly help to not lie in your opening argument.

Wasn't my text, but I did agree with it.
Of course the South side is less dangerous, total chaos hasn't consumed Chicago yet.
When the liberals vacate the city, then I would think it's as bad as Aleppo.

What Chicago needs to do first, is boot Rahm Emanuel and vote in Republican rule.
 
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