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Beaten Police Officer Didn't Use Gun for Fear of Backlash...

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A Chicago police officer who is hospitalized after she was severely beaten said she was afraid to use her gun because of the scrutiny she would have faced, Supt. Eddie Johnson said.

On Wednesday morning, police responded to a car crash at Roosevelt and Cicero on the city's West Side where officers encountered a man that police allege was violent and under the influence of drugs.

Three officers were hospitalized in the incident. One officer who was severely beaten told Supt. Johnson she was afraid for her life and afraid to use lethal force with all of the attention on the police department's previous actions and fatal incidents.

"She thought she was going to die.
Chicago police officer feared using gun while being attacked | abc7chicago.com


Time to leave that liberal ****hole and find a cop job where the citizens, Chief or Sheriff, will back you.
 
A horrible consequence of putting police actions under the spotlight and ignoring the actions of everyone else.
 
If they had more appropriate and effective less-than-lethal tools, then none of this would have mattered.
 
Hope the officer recovers quickly.

It just goes to show how news/social media can alter a persons response.
 
Ikari said:
If they had more appropriate and effective less-than-lethal tools, then none of this would have mattered.
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and what would those tools be?
Tazer's have resulted in deaths.
Bean bag (shotgun) have resulted in deaths.

Bottom line, imo LEO's need to protect themselves first, then the public.
 
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Ikari said:
If they had more appropriate and effective less-than-lethal tools, then none of this would have mattered.
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What tools specifically would you suggest? Tazers can kill, have killed before, police have been criticized each time it happened. Lots of people, especially those drugged up can ignore pepper spray. Batons? Can kill, but can also be considered as excessive use of force as it would still take a lot to get someone strung out down and out enough to cuff. So...what tools do you suggest?
 
MickeyW said:
A Chicago police officer who is hospitalized after she was severely beaten said she was afraid to use her gun because of the scrutiny she would have faced, Supt. Eddie Johnson said.

On Wednesday morning, police responded to a car crash at Roosevelt and Cicero on the city's West Side where officers encountered a man that police allege was violent and under the influence of drugs.

Three officers were hospitalized in the incident. One officer who was severely beaten told Supt. Johnson she was afraid for her life and afraid to use lethal force with all of the attention on the police department's previous actions and fatal incidents.

"She thought she was going to die.
Chicago police officer feared using gun while being attacked | abc7chicago.com


Time to leave that liberal ****hole and find a cop job where the citizens, Chief or Sheriff, will back you.
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Exalent policing.

In the UK the police expect to be fighting people often. Rolling about on the floor and fighting. That's part of the job. Sometimes they get the worst of it.

I am a plumber. Today I hit my left hand with my hammer on top of the place I had hit it 10 minutes before. So what?
 
Ikari said:
If they had more appropriate and effective less-than-lethal tools, then none of this would have mattered.
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If people were brought up better, then none of this would be relevant.
 
OrphanSlug said:
A horrible consequence of putting police actions under the spotlight and ignoring the actions of everyone else.
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Are you saying that Black Lives don't Matter? That's not nice.
 
Kal'Stang said:
What tools specifically would you suggest? Tazers can kill, have killed before, police have been criticized each time it happened. Lots of people, especially those drugged up can ignore pepper spray. Batons? Can kill, but can also be considered as excessive use of force as it would still take a lot to get someone strung out down and out enough to cuff. So...what tools do you suggest?
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Create adhesive launching devices that can slow and stop a suspect and possibly jam his weapon?
 
OrphanSlug said:
A horrible consequence of putting police actions under the spotlight and ignoring the actions of everyone else.
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Precisely.

Ikari said:
If they had more appropriate and effective less-than-lethal tools, then none of this would have mattered.
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Why? Some people just need killing.....when you can understand that concept, get back to me. ;)

You spout off a lot, but say nothing. You have no solutions but expect the police to shirk their responsibilities.
Pathetic!

joG said:
If people were brought up better, then none of this would be relevant.
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Exactly.

Tim the plumber said:

Exalent policing.

In the UK the police expect to be fighting people often. Rolling about on the floor and fighting. That's part of the job. Sometimes they get the worst of it.

I am a plumber. Today I hit my left hand with my hammer on top of the place I had hit it 10 minutes before. So what?
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No, it's not excellent policing! You need to use your head, instead of your left hand.
 
Ikari said:
If they had more appropriate and effective less-than-lethal tools, then none of this would have mattered.
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Why not kill a thug, though? Why save them just so they can get out in a few hours and go back to hurting innocent people?

Even when they put them in prison they get out in a few months.

Not effective.
 
Tim the plumber said:

Exalent policing.

In the UK the police expect to be fighting people often. Rolling about on the floor and fighting. That's part of the job. Sometimes they get the worst of it.

I am a plumber. Today I hit my left hand with my hammer on top of the place I had hit it 10 minutes before. So what?
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Why do I not feel inclined to think you may be bringing wisdom to the thread?

:mrgreen:
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Create adhesive launching devices that can slow and stop a suspect and possibly jam his weapon?
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Hmm...how about...

For swat teams we can have a selection:

airzone_phaser_rifle_by_meandmunch-d57zqjc.jpg

And for everyday use:

2270s_phaser_diagram.jpg

Be sure to only keep them on the stun setting! ;)
 
Ikari said:
If they had more appropriate and effective less-than-lethal tools, then none of this would have mattered.
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I suppose the officers could have just gotten back into their cars and left the scene, defusing the entire situation.

joG said:
If people were brought up better, then none of this would be relevant.
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Yeah, that's certainly a recurring and worsening problem in some communities.
 
mike2810 said:
and what would those tools be?
Tazer's have resulted in deaths.
Bean bag (shotgun) have resulted in deaths.

Bottom line, imo LEO's need to protect themselves first, then the public.
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Less-than-lethal doesn't mean it cannot be lethal, but often times is not so.

The point being that we are aggregating into this system where we see more and more unarmed people killed by police and that starting problems, then we want to highlight the case here in the OP where a cop feels they cannot respond and end up assaulted (though I have to think this is far less likely than police killing someone), and it all revolves around this use of deadly force first.

So instead of just pointing fingers and saying it's the community or its the police and endlessly bickering without resolution, let's find a resolution. And one of the obvious places is the gun, take the gun out of the first response equation and we can start to fix this.

So what we should be doing is investing into some R&D to develop a better line of less-than-lethal devices that the police can use. If we can get to them better tools, everyone wins. The police can still protect themselves, we end up with fewer casualties, and the blow-back from cases resulting in the death of a suspect can be reduced. It seems pretty obvious to me. Plus, in general, less-than-lethal should be the preference since its a further restriction of force on the government against its People.
 
MickeyW said:
Why? Some people just need killing.....when you can understand that concept, get back to me. ;)
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Dumb argument. We are a Republic, a society based on laws and the restriction of government force. You don't get to be Dirty Harry or Judge Dredd just because you think you should be allowed to run around killing people. Absolutely not. People of that mentality should completely be barred from government positions of authority.
 
Vox said:
Why not kill a thug, though?
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Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Does that sound familiar to you? The government can't just run around killing people because it pleases, everyone is to get their defense and their day in court.

Some of y'all would be quite happy in the ol' USSR it seems.
 
mike2810 said:
and what would those tools be?
Tazer's have resulted in deaths.
Bean bag (shotgun) have resulted in deaths.

Bottom line, imo LEO's need to protect themselves first, then the public.
Click to expand...

Kal'Stang said:
What tools specifically would you suggest? Tazers can kill, have killed before, police have been criticized each time it happened. Lots of people, especially those drugged up can ignore pepper spray. Batons? Can kill, but can also be considered as excessive use of force as it would still take a lot to get someone strung out down and out enough to cuff. So...what tools do you suggest?
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Water cannons!! :mrgreen:
 
Ikari said:
Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Does that sound familiar to you? The government can't just run around killing people because it pleases, everyone is to get their defense and their day in court.

Some of y'all would be quite happy in the ol' USSR it seems.
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LOL!!!

How can a thug be "not guilty" of being a...................THUG??????
 
Vox said:
LOL!!!

How can a thug be "not guilty" of being a
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Of being what? An incomplete sentence?

It doesn't matter what YOU want to call it, what matters are the principles of the Republic and respecting the rights and liberties of all our citizens. This isn't Judge Dredd, vigilantism is bad, we have structure for a reason. I'm sure you can explain away all the reasons why you think it's appropriate to kill someone without a trial, but unless there is direct and imminent threat to life, a suspect needs to be brought in alive. Everyone should get their day in court, that is one of the basics of our Republic.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
I was talking about devices that launch sticky substances or adhesive materials.

Like a giant glue gun.
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And until such a weapon is invented, tested and proven effective what do you suggest cops do in the interim?

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Are we really talking about having the cops use technology that doesn't exist? Is that really where this discussion has gone?

un-****ing-believable
 
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