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Could more K9s be a Solution?

blackjack50

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We see this all the time. We also hear it. A lot of criminals are terrified of dogs. With good reason too. Dogs are tough animals with a nasty bite that is a lot worse than their bark. With all these incidents of people failing to comply, maybe because of drugs, lack of understanding, or just plain stupidity on someone's part (no accusation)...do you think introducing mor K-9 units could help?

We know that a lot of people are more scared of dogs than guns. And it may actually end up keeping someone from getting shot. And it actually serves as a deterrent and has other potential positives.

Do you think this is a realistic solution to our problem with the shootings?


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No. I think it will result in more people and dogs being shot.
 
backpacker said:
No. I think it will result in more people and dogs being shot.
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I'm wondering how more dogs would get shot or people if an officer is releasing a dog on an unarmed and non compliant subject. I could understand people being bit, but bit is better than shot.

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Chaos theory. I'm not saying this is the only solution. Just a viable one in several.

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So during a time where we're having a problem with police officers' discretion you want to add more police officers with worse discretion? In what universe is this a solution to racial bias in discretionary violence?

blackjack50 said:
I'm wondering how more dogs would get shot or people if an officer is releasing a dog on an unarmed and non compliant subject. I could understand people being bit, but bit is better than shot.

Ps

Chaos theory. I'm not saying this is the only solution. Just a viable one in several.
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So innocent, unarmed people should be bitten by dogs, because that's justice?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
So during a time where we're having a problem with police officer's discretion you want to add more police officers with worse discretion?
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Let's look at it this way:

You have a lethal tool and a non lethal tool. Which would you prefer an officer use on a non compliant and resisting suspect?

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The problem isn't about "officer discretion." Most officers exercise wonderful discretion. But the people they encounter are too stupid and unreasonable to comply.


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Hilariously bad idea.

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blackjack50 said:
Let's look at it this way:

You have a lethal tool and a non lethal tool. Which would you prefer an officer use on a non compliant and resisting suspect?

Ps

The problem isn't about "officer discretion." Most officers exercise wonderful discretion. But the people they encounter are too stupid and unreasonable to comply.


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So you're saying the entirety of the racial tension on the frequent police shootings is just black people being stupid and unreasonable? Jesus christ.

Dog bites are serious violence, they're not something you just walk away from. The fact that you want to use them to attack innocent unarmed people says a lot about you as a person.

instagramsci said:
Hilariously bad idea.
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It's ok, it would just be used on unreasonable negroes.
 
blackjack50 said:
We see this all the time. We also hear it. A lot of criminals are terrified of dogs. With good reason too. Dogs are tough animals with a nasty bite that is a lot worse than their bark. With all these incidents of people failing to comply, maybe because of drugs, lack of understanding, or just plain stupidity on someone's part (no accusation)...do you think introducing mor K-9 units could help?

We know that a lot of people are more scared of dogs than guns. And it may actually end up keeping someone from getting shot. And it actually serves as a deterrent and has other potential positives.

Do you think this is a realistic solution to our problem with the shootings?


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Well, dogs worked really well at Bagram and Abu Ghraib, and they work well for many authoritiarian regimes through history, so why not? Heck yeah, let's use dogs here in the Land of the Free and Home of the Brave.

But like urine tests, make sure government employees are exempted.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
So you're saying the entirety of the racial tension on the frequent police shootings is just black people being stupid and unreasonable? Jesus christ.
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Actually no. That is you race bating, trying to derail the thread because you apparently refuse to recognize some basic realties about the lives of emergency service workers (yea...not just cops). They deal with a ****load of stupid and unreasonable people. But if you want to continue down this road...why don't you just save the thread and call all cops racist and blame the police for the entire thing?

Don't worry.

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Nice lie about me wanting innocent people to get bit. That was a ridiculous and bold faced lie.
 
blackjack50 said:
. But the people they encounter are too stupid and unreasonable to comply.
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what a load of crap. you think people who constantly have to deal with police harassment wont at some point, at least verbally, lash out?
 
instagramsci said:
what a load of crap. you think people who constantly have to deal with police harassment wont at some point, at least verbally, lash out?
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Do you think police deal with a lot of stable and reasonable people?

Don't you think by the very nature of the job that is an illogical thought process?

Why don't you just ask a few cops what their day to day is like? They aren't in suburbia dealing with working class nice folks. And even when they are, they are the idiots of that part of town.

Seriously. You need to wake up to what the job is.

Now tell me.

Do you think introducing a police dog into a situation where a non compliant suspect who is unarmed...would have a better chance of gaining compliance? And failing that...it would be a much better solution than just shooting the suspect?


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Thoreau72 said:
Well, dogs worked really well at Bagram and Abu Ghraib, and they work well for many authoritiarian regimes through history, so why not? Heck yeah, let's use dogs here in the Land of the Free and Home of the Brave.

But like urine tests, make sure government employees are exempted.
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A ridiculous statement that doesn't address the situation. Just some broad brush statements that complain about some isolated incidents and compare government workers to authoritarian regimes. Thanks for addressing the topic.


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blackjack50 said:
We see this all the time. We also hear it. A lot of criminals are terrified of dogs. With good reason too. Dogs are tough animals with a nasty bite that is a lot worse than their bark. With all these incidents of people failing to comply, maybe because of drugs, lack of understanding, or just plain stupidity on someone's part (no accusation)...do you think introducing mor K-9 units could help?

We know that a lot of people are more scared of dogs than guns. And it may actually end up keeping someone from getting shot. And it actually serves as a deterrent and has other potential positives.

Do you think this is a realistic solution to our problem with the shootings?


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I believe in a balanced defense, I have three dogs and more than enough guns. Most criminals will avoid homes with dogs because they make a lot of noise and many can take care of themselves and their property, there are far easier targets for them.
 
Casper said:
I believe in a balanced defense, I have three dogs and more than enough guns. Most criminals will avoid homes with dogs because they make a lot of noise and many can take care of themselves and their property, there are far easier targets for them.
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Very true. But I'm mainly talking about the whole non compliant resisting suspect thing. Having a dog there has a great chance of keeping everyone from getting a little out of hand.


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RabidAlpaca said:
So during a time where we're having a problem with police officers' discretion you want to add more police officers with worse discretion? In what universe is this a solution to racial bias in discretionary violence?



So innocent, unarmed people should be bitten by dogs, because that's justice?
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Innocent people do not tend to have standoffs with police officers and normally when a dog is employed the perp is warned several times before it is released, in other words they are making the choice by not following the officers commands.
 
Casper said:
Innocent people do not tend to have standoffs with police officers and normally when a dog is employed the perp is warned several times before it is released, in other words they are making the choice by not following the officers commands.
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You don't have stand offs with law enforcement either? Weird. I thought it was just me.


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blackjack50 said:
Very true. But I'm mainly talking about the whole non compliant resisting suspect thing. Having a dog there has a great chance of keeping everyone from getting a little out of hand.


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I got that, I and other people often have dogs for the same reasons LEO's do, as a deterrent, let's just say most people that have been bitten by a good size dog rarely required a repeat lesson to know it is a bad idea. Dogs can often take a situation from where a perp is about to be shot to one where the perp simply gets a few stiches, everyone wins.
 
blackjack50 said:
You don't have stand offs with law enforcement either? Weird. I thought it was just me.


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I don't understand it either, seems like simply being courteous and complying with the LEO does not seem to be getting me in hot water, we must be doing something wrong, think I will stick with it anyway.
 
blackjack50 said:
We see this all the time. We also hear it. A lot of criminals are terrified of dogs. With good reason too. Dogs are tough animals with a nasty bite that is a lot worse than their bark. With all these incidents of people failing to comply, maybe because of drugs, lack of understanding, or just plain stupidity on someone's part (no accusation)...do you think introducing mor K-9 units could help?

We know that a lot of people are more scared of dogs than guns. And it may actually end up keeping someone from getting shot. And it actually serves as a deterrent and has other potential positives.

Do you think this is a realistic solution to our problem with the shootings?


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Using dogs reminds me of totalitarian behavior. And well you are obviously saying that the government should be terrifying people to stop them from committing crimes. So no that is not a realistic option unless you consider a North Korea like government a realistic option. What are you going say next? That if you have nothing to hide dont worry about the loss of your rights?
 
Casper said:
I got that, I and other people often have dogs for the same reasons LEO's do, as a deterrent, let's just say most people that have been bitten by a good size dog rarely required a repeat lesson to know it is a bad idea. Dogs can often take a situation from where a perp is about to be shot to one where the perp simply gets a few stiches, everyone wins.
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Yep. I have a friend whose family uses a few guard dogs for their business. It is on their land and the dogs are pets, but it has worked a few times apparently. They stopped getting robbed when they turned the dogs lose at night.


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FreedomFromAll said:
Using dogs reminds me of totalitarian behavior. And well you are obviously saying that the government should be terrifying people to stop them from committing crimes. So no that is not a realistic option unless you consider a North Korea like government a realistic option. What are you going say next? That if you have nothing to hide dont worry about the loss of your rights?
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First, canines; next thing you know we're literally North Korea :roll:

That's just as ridiculous as the people who think having background checks turn you into Nazi Germany.
 
blackjack50 said:
We see this all the time. We also hear it. A lot of criminals are terrified of dogs. With good reason too. Dogs are tough animals with a nasty bite that is a lot worse than their bark. With all these incidents of people failing to comply, maybe because of drugs, lack of understanding, or just plain stupidity on someone's part (no accusation)...do you think introducing mor K-9 units could help?

We know that a lot of people are more scared of dogs than guns. And it may actually end up keeping someone from getting shot. And it actually serves as a deterrent and has other potential positives.

Do you think this is a realistic solution to our problem with the shootings?


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I think there is a certain logic to it, but I also think that as on site measures body cameras would help a lot. But I do not belive our society's violence is caused on the site of perpetration but in the messed up and broken homes.
 
blackjack50 said:
We see this all the time. We also hear it. A lot of criminals are terrified of dogs. With good reason too. Dogs are tough animals with a nasty bite that is a lot worse than their bark. With all these incidents of people failing to comply, maybe because of drugs, lack of understanding, or just plain stupidity on someone's part (no accusation)...do you think introducing mor K-9 units could help?

We know that a lot of people are more scared of dogs than guns. And it may actually end up keeping someone from getting shot. And it actually serves as a deterrent and has other potential positives.

Do you think this is a realistic solution to our problem with the shootings?


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Dogs definitely have their place, as they can do things that humans can not do. When a suspect flees, for example, they might be able to outrun the human cops, but they won't outrun the dogs. Moreover, try to sneak something, anything, past a dog's nose. Good luck. A dog will be able to find an explosive in luggage far more accurately than any human can, even with sophisticated machines. Just have a few dogs trained to identify explosives at the airport, and the TSA is practically redundant. Does the suspect have a gun? Ask the dog, he'll tell you. Are there drugs in that backpack? A dog will know immediately.

As for shootings, a dog will be able to tell you if someone entering a school, a mall, or any crowded place has a gun. No metal detector needed, just have a dog sniffing all of the pockets and backpacks, and he'll find all any guns.

Once the shooter starts doing his thing, though, it's too late for the dog. A dog is no match for an armed human. Best to have another armed human ready to take the shooter out.

Dogs could prevent a lot of violent crimes if they were used more regularly.
 
joG said:
I think there is a certain logic to it, but I also think that as on site measures body cameras would help a lot. But I do not belive our society's violence is caused on the site of perpetration but in the messed up and broken homes.
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I don't disagree. My proposal is a simple single step. Not a silver bullet. We already have a excellent tool for the situations we see. We just aren't using them.


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Tigerace117 said:
First, canines; next thing you know we're literally North Korea :roll:

That's just as ridiculous as the people who think having background checks turn you into Nazi Germany.
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Yea and the premise of this thread is the government using more dogs to terrorize people, so they wont commit crimes. Perhaps you should reread the OP?

If you do read the OP you'll notice that not only is the premise that dogs terrorize criminals but implies that the use of more dogs would somehow help reduce shootings. I guess that would be done by sicking dogs onto people instead of shooting them? Sicking dogs onto suspects really isnt any different than just beating up suspects instead of killing them. So the big solution is that beating suspects is better than killing them. I would hate to be a suspect either way.

This also points towards vetting innocent citizens by using dogs to search them for firearms. And I dont care if you find it ridiculous, what is wrong is wrong. ANd is wrong to treat Americans citizens as if they already committed a crime without a care about due process.
 
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