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Terrence Crutcher shot to death and suprise, the police lies again

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As it shoots yet another black unarmed man.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/17/tulsa-oklahoma-police-shooting-suv

A Tulsa police officer shot and killed an African American man who ignored repeated requests to put up his hands before reaching into an SUV that was stalled in the middle of a street, the police department said.

“He refused to follow commands given by the officers,” MacKenzie said. “They continued to talk to him; he continued not to listen and follow any commands. As they got closer to the vehicle, he reached inside the vehicle and at that time there was a Taser deployment and a short time later there was one shot fired.”

And that is the problem, police lie and sadly regularly get away with their lies. It is time for body cams so that the good officers do not have to suffer with the bad officers who shoot people dead and lie about it.
 
I posted same thing around the same time in different forum. The lying cops need to be fired and the murderess in jail for life.
 
As it shoots yet another black unarmed man.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/17/tulsa-oklahoma-police-shooting-suv



And that is the problem, police lie and sadly regularly get away with their lies. It is time for body cams so that the good officers do not have to suffer with the bad officers who shoot people dead and lie about it.

Unless you have evidence the officers are lying (and lack of a camera does not constitute evidence of lying ) then this is a justified shoot. "Show me your hands" when spoken in the English language does not mean "disobey legal commands and put your hands somewhere where officers don't know if you have a weapon"
 
well facts have a liberal bias so you could be right. Plus the pastor was black.
 
How do you know they are lying?

It certainly doesn't seem that way to me.

Sorry, was still busy with looking up the video information on Youtube:



Here is the video of the man, whom the police said that he was not holding up his hands. Warning, video is graphic and disturbing.
 
Unless you have evidence the officers are lying (and lack of a camera does not constitute evidence of lying ) then this is a justified shoot. "Show me your hands" when spoken in the English language does not mean "disobey legal commands and put your hands somewhere where officers don't know if you have a weapon"

Like up in the air? I've heard a lot about the cloud but I didn't know there might be guns there.
 
Sorry, was still busy with looking up the video information on Youtube:



Here is the video of the man, whom the police said that he was not holding up his hands. Warning, video is graphic and disturbing.


It's strange. From what it looks like to me, he started off with his hands in the air, then walked over to the vehicle and lowered them.
 
Sorry, was still busy with looking up the video information on Youtube:



Here is the video of the man, whom the police said that he was not holding up his hands. Warning, video is graphic and disturbing.


Good god that's an execution.............
 
During a press conference on Monday, Tulsa Police Chief Chuck Jordan called the video footage “very disturbing — it’s very difficult to watch.” He said there was no gun found on Crutcher or in his vehicle.

“I will just make this promise to you: We will achieve justice in this case,” Jordan said. “I want to assure our community and I want to assure all of you and people across the nation who are going to be looking at this: We will achieve justice ― period.”

Oklahoma Officer Fatally Shoots Unarmed Black Man In Alarming Video | Huffington Post
 
Head cop seems like a honorable dude. I'm thinking justice is achieved here much like with that geriatric reserve cop who is cooling his heels in jail
 
Like up in the air? I've heard a lot about the cloud but I didn't know there might be guns there.


The video doesn't show that, I think you're inferring it from what appears to be a delay in the audio, he has his hands up, walks toward the car, the officers surround him at which point he is no longer visibly raising his hands, they close and he dissappears mostly from view then falls.

I am not seeing a shot when he has his up, I am hearing what sounds like one while he does, but he stays standing for several more seconds while lowering his hands
 
It's strange. From what it looks like to me, he started off with his hands in the air, then walked over to the vehicle and lowered them.

Yeah helicopter video does not appear to show the officers lying, although I do wonder how it is in both PoVs they're showing the subject obstructed, by the officers bodies in the car video and the subjects SUV in the helicopter footage at the time of the shot, but that aside neither video shows someone being shot with their hands up.
 
The video doesn't show that, I think you're inferring it from what appears to be a delay in the audio, he has his hands up, walks toward the car, the officers surround him at which point he is no longer visibly raising his hands, they close and he dissappears mostly from view then falls.

I am not seeing a shot when he has his up, I am hearing what sounds like one while he does, but he stays standing for several more seconds while lowering his hands

To be fair to him he is dying while he lowers his hands. I'll give him a pass on that....
 
Sorry, was still busy with looking up the video information on Youtube:



Here is the video of the man, whom the police said that he was not holding up his hands. Warning, video is graphic and disturbing.


Let's take this step by step.

1. The video starts with the victim near the police car. Then he turns and begins to walk away with his hands up.

2. At 0.16 someone in the helicopter states "That guy is still walking," then a pause and at 0.18 "He's not following commands" and then someone else states at 0.20 "That's for tazer I think."

3. We see the victim at the car door doing something with his hands down. Trying to get in through the window? Hard to tell because the helicopter angles around so that at 0.31 we see him go down. (Tazering.)

4. The angle is obscured but by 0.38 we see he is not lying flat, but sideways so that the officers see his back.

5. Between 0.38 and 0.40 he is shot and then we see him roll flat on his back with a wound in the upper torso.

Assessment:

The victim was acting improperly by failing to follow the first officer's lawful commands to stop.

The victim further escalated the situation by fiddling with his car and refusing to respond to lawful commands. This led to the initial tazering.

IMO the female officer suspected something because she could not see his hands.

She over-reacted to a non-threat.

I do not believe her act was based on a valid assessment of the situation and would hold it a "bad shoot."
 
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To be fair to him he is dying while he lowers his hands. I'll give him a pass on that....

Maybe that had to do with the taser being fired into him? Possibly? We all know that people loose the ability to hold their hands up when zapped with thousands of volts.
 
Let's take this step by step.

1. The video starts with the victim near the police car. Then he turns and begins to walk away with his hands up.

2. At 0.16 someone in the helicopter states "That guy is still walking," then a pause and at 0.18 "He's not following commands" and the someone else states at 0.20 "That's for tazer I think."

3. We see the victim at the car door doing something with his hands down. Trying to get in through the window? Hard to tell because the helicopter angles around so that at 0.31 we see him go down. (Tazering.)

4. The angle is obscured but by 0.38 we see he is not lying flat, but sideways so that the officers see his back.

5. Between 0.38 and 0.40 he is shot and then we see him roll flat on his back with a wound in the upper torso.

Assessment:

The victim was acting improperly by failing to follow the first officer's lawful commands to stop.

The victim further escalated the situation by fiddling with his car and refusing to respond to lawful commands. This led to the initial tazering.

IMO the female officer suspected something because she could not see his hands.

She over-reacted to a non-threat.

I do not believe her act was based on a valid assessment of the situation and would hold it a "bad shoot."

He was shot with a taser prior to being shot, and if he is being zapped shortly after 0.20, all that follows, his hands going down, his hands on the window, can all be the result of the taser. Usually when someone is shot with a taser there is no need to shoot a person second later when they were standing nowhere near the suspect and him clearly not being a danger to the officers.
 
well facts have a liberal bias so you could be right. Plus the pastor was black.

you keep making that claim and have no facts to back it up. it depends what issue you are talking about. I just saw the tape of the shooting I cannot (and I have a background in dealing with police shootings) say based purely on that tape if it was a bad shooting or an excusable shooting.
 
He was shot with a taser prior to being shot, and if he is being zapped shortly after 0.20, all that follows, his hands going down, his hands on the window, can all be the result of the taser. Usually when someone is shot with a taser there is no need to shoot a person second later when they were standing nowhere near the suspect and him clearly not being a danger to the officers.

No.

The "result of a tazer" is loss of motor control as one's muscles freeze up typically resulting in a collapse as shown at 0.31 (NOT 0.20).

The rest follows my outline.
 
Maybe that had to do with the taser being fired into him? Possibly? We all know that people loose the ability to hold their hands up when zapped with thousands of volts.

was he told to stop? the tape is unclear. Did he keep walking to his SUV? apparently so. Did he appear to try to reach into the SUV? from what I saw yes.

I am not saying the shooting was excusable or improper. IF the deceased had STOPPED when apparently ordered to-do you think he would have still been shot?
 
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