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Terrence Crutcher shot to death and suprise, the police lies again

Captain Adverse said:
No.

The "result of a tazer" is loss of motor control as one's muscles freeze up typically resulting in a collapse as shown at 0.31 (NOT 0.20).

The rest follows my outline.
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Well, I call 10 to 11 seconds a short time. But if the power goes off, normally people go weak/down.
 
MickeyW said:
Nothing ironic about it.....and yes, I would know .............but for this, I'm only going by the video presented.
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Lulz. Whatever you have to tell yourself to maintain your fantasy. You simply wouldn't know.
Competency doesn't always play a role, sometimes it's just the wrong decision. Even veteran officers occasionally get it wrong.

Tell us again, how much law enforcement experience do you have ?
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I've got more than enough not to believe the fairy tale you constantly tell about having been a LEO.
 
Speaking generally US Police forces are murderous and staggeringly incompetent.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/09/the-counted-police-killings-us-vs-other-countries
Fact: In the first 24 days of 2015, police in the US fatally shot more people than police did in England and Wales, combined, over the past 24 years.

Behind the numbers: According to The Counted, the Guardian’s special project to track every police killing this year, there were 59 fatal police shootings in the US for the days between 1 January and 24 January.

According to data collected by the UK advocacy group Inquest, there have been 55 fatal police shootings – total – in England and Wales from 1990 to 2014.
 
TheGoverness said:
Sí, a very horrible decision on his part.
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7 min mark. Suspect with hands in the air, suspect then nearly killed the officer.
“I was looking down at Logan’s driver’s license, starting to give that information to BLOC,” Chesnut says. “The next thing I see, the passenger is coming back to my car again. He’s about five feet from my bumper.

“I told BLOC, ‘Hold on, he’s coming back again.’ He said something when he got to my window, I’m not sure what. Then he raised up his t-shirt.”

“Die, you white mother****er!” Jackson screamed. From his waistband, he yanked a .38-cal. revolver — the gun he’d stolen from the corrections officer — and started shooting.

With relentless determination, he pulled the trigger six times. Bullets tore through Chesnut’s right arm, through his left wrist and hand, and into his right side between his vest panels, angling down into his abdomen. Two drilled into the back of his armor as he scrambled to get below his steering wheel to escape the hellfire. The sixth time, the firing pin hit the primer but the round failed to detonate.
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https://www.policeone.com/officer-s...times-a-sergeant-reflects-on-lessons-learned/
 
Peter King said:
Yes, or does the comment about him not putting his hands up sound correct to you?
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Who actually made that comment? It wasn't part of the official police statement, and although the article says that, it attributes no source. UK articles tend to put their own spin on things gleaned from the US, especially if guns are involved.
 
Peter King said:
As it shoots yet another black unarmed man.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/17/tulsa-oklahoma-police-shooting-suv



And that is the problem, police lie and sadly regularly get away with their lies. It is time for body cams so that the good officers do not have to suffer with the bad officers who shoot people dead and lie about it.
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From your own quote:

A Tulsa police officer shot and killed an African American man who ignored repeated requests to put up his hands before reaching into an SUV that was stalled in the middle of a street, the police department said.
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He should have obeyed the cop. If he had, he'd be alive today.
 
Bodhisattva said:
More unarmed white people are shot than unarmed black people..
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There are also about 4 or 5 times as many white people in the US so that is not a statistical abnormality. 50% of the police shootings in 2015 where reported to be white and 26% where black. But the white population makes up about 64% of the American population and blacks only about 12%. And some say that the statistics for shooting black unarmed black people compared to unarmed white people is even worse.
 
Peter King said:
There are also about 4 or 5 times as many white people in the US so that is not a statistical abnormality. 50% of the police shootings in 2015 where reported to be white and 26% where black. But the white population makes up about 64% of the American population and blacks only about 12%. And some say that the statistics for shooting black unarmed black people compared to unarmed white people is even worse.
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And blacks make up far more of the criminal element as well, so you have to factor that in...
 
Peter King said:
There are also about 4 or 5 times as many white people in the US so that is not a statistical abnormality. 50% of the police shootings in 2015 where reported to be white and 26% where black. But the white population makes up about 64% of the American population and blacks only about 12%. And some say that the statistics for shooting black unarmed black people compared to unarmed white people is even worse.
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There was no lie as you absurdly claimed.

As for who gets shot more? It is not a function of the relative populations as a whole.
It is a function of those who interact with the police in such a manner.

Of those who do, they shoot more whites than blacks.

Excon said:
Police shoot more white folks in sheer numbers than they do blacks. If all things were equal, that is what should be expected.

If broken down by racial proportions, the numbers then reflect that the Police kill disproportionately more blacks than whites.
But the problem with that stat is that not all members of a race interact with police on a criminal level, so the whole number of a race can not be used for comparative purposes.
The numbers need to be broken down further to only those who interact with them.
When that is done it becomes clear that whites are shot more times than blacks are.


Whether officers, veterans or civilians, the subjects consistently hesitated longer before firing at black suspects and were much more likely to mistakenly shoot an unarmed white suspect, the researchers found. And when they failed to fire at an armed suspect — a potentially fatal mistake — the suspect was about five times more likely to be black than white. The study’s 36 police officers were the lone exception in failing to fire: The suspect’s race wasn’t a factor in their decision not to shoot. “The findings were very unexpected given the previous experimental research,” said Lois James, an assistant professor who conducted the research.

Are Police Bigoted?
Race and Police Shootings: Are Blacks Targeted More?



Adjusted to take into account the racial breakdown of the U.S. population, he said black men are 3.5 times more likely to be killed by police than white men. But also adjusted to take into account the racial breakdown in violent crime, the data actually show that police are less likely to kill black suspects than white ones.

“If one adjusts for the racial disparity in the homicide rate or the rate at which police are feloniously killed, whites are actually more likely to be killed by police than blacks,” said Mr. Moskos, a former Baltimore cop and author of the book “Cop in the Hood.”

“Adjusted for the homicide rate, whites are 1.7 times more likely than blacks die at the hands of police,” he said. “Adjusted for the racial disparity at which police are feloniously killed, whites are 1.3 times more likely than blacks to die at the hands of police.”

Police kill more whites than blacks, but minority deaths generate more outrage

Analysis contradicts widespread views about racial targets


The real racial bias: Cops more willing to shoot whites than blacks, research finds

It’s widely assumed that white police officers are more likely to shoot black suspects as a result of racial bias, but recent research suggests the opposite is true.​

The real racial bias: Cops more willing to shoot whites than blacks, research finds​
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Continued below.
 
Continued from above.

More information concerning who is shot more.

Renae said:
Gee, if only the data backed up your claims.

It doesn't.

See Here:
Far More Whites Killed by US Police -
And Here:
In 2012, according to the CDC, 140 blacks were killed by police. That same year 386 whites were killed by police. Over the 13-year period from 1999 to 2011, the CDC reports that 2,151 whites were killed by cops — and 1,130 blacks were killed by cops.

Police shootings, nationwide, are down dramatically from what they were 20 or 30 years ago. The CDC reported that in 1968, shootings by law enforcement — called “legal intervention” by the CDC — was the cause of death for 8.6 out of every million blacks. For whites the rate was was .9 deaths per million

By 2011, law enforcement shootings caused 2.74 deaths for every million blacks, and 1.28 deaths for every million whites. While the death-by-cop rate for whites has held pretty steady over these last 45 years, hovering just above or below the one-in-a-million level, the rate for blacks has fallen. In 1981, black deaths by cop stood at four in a million, but since 2000 has remained just above or below two in a million.

So what’s driving this notion that there is now an “epidemic” of white cops shooting blacks when in the last several decades the numbers of blacks killed by cops are down nearly 75 percent?
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Police kill more whites than blacks, but minority deaths generate more outrage: analysis - Washington Times
And here:
776 People Killed By Police So Far in 2015, 161 Of Them Unarmed
And here:
Liberty News » FACTS: Cops Kill Whites at Almost Double The Rate That Cops Kill Blacks


Feel free to find countering information, but good look on that one.
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Can someone explain to me why they were pointing their guns at him in the first place?
 
Tettsuo said:
Can someone explain to me why they were pointing their guns at him in the first place?
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He was behaving irrationally and not following commands
 
EMNofSeattle said:
He was behaving irrationally and not following commands
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So ... no good reason.

"I thought he might be on drugs, so I pointed my gun at him and started shouting orders. His erratic behavior continued, so I shot him."

Shoot first, figure out what's actually going on later. BS.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
So ... no good reason.

"I thought he might be on drugs, so I pointed my gun at him and started shouting orders. His erratic behavior continued, so I shot him."

Shoot first, figure out what's actually going on later. BS.
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It's most certainly not BS Google King County Deputy Richard Herzog 2002 and tell me it's BS

She suspected (correctly) the suspect was on PCP which is a peg above your average drug
 
EMNofSeattle said:
It's most certainly not BS Google King County Deputy Richard Herzog 2002 and tell me it's BS

She suspected (correctly) the suspect was on PCP which is a peg above your average drug
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The killing of the cop is a tragedy. But it's also a rarity. You can't operate under the assumption that everyone is out to get you. Her suspicion and her paranoia are not enough to completely dispense with due process. Officers can only respond with deadly force to a deadly threat.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
The killing of the cop is a tragedy. But it's also a rarity. You can't operate under the assumption that everyone is out to get you. Her suspicion and her paranoia are not enough to completely dispense with due process. Officers can only respond with deadly force to a deadly threat.
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Due process is an act of the courts, it means nothing on the side of the road wen you have an irrational subject not following commands who is suspected to be high on PCP (of which a vial was found in the car)

Initially officers came to look at the car which was parked in the center of the road blocking both lanes with the motor running, which is not usual, and SE called for backup after seeing irrational acting.

I'm not going to demand a cop be a sacrificial lamb because (hey cop killings are a rarity so it doesn't matter if she dies this time)

I want it to stay a rarity
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Due process is an act of the courts, it means nothing on the side of the road wen you have an irrational subject not following commands who is suspected to be high on PCP (of which a vial was found in the car)

Initially officers came to look at the car which was parked in the center of the road blocking both lanes with the motor running, which is not usual, and SE called for backup after seeing irrational acting.

I'm not going to demand a cop be a sacrificial lamb because (hey cop killings are a rarity so it doesn't matter if she dies this time)

I want it to stay a rarity
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Had this guy attacked the cop, you'd have a point. The shooting was premature. "Not following orders" isn't good enough.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
He was behaving irrationally and not following commands
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He wasn't committing a crime or the process of doing anything illegal. He wasn't even acting aggressively (from what I saw on the video).

What reason did they have to draw their weapons if he wasn't doing anything wrong?
 
GhostlyJoe said:
Had this guy attacked the cop, you'd have a point. The shooting was premature. "Not following orders" isn't good enough.
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If he was reaching into the car it may well be good enough. You cannot wait for an irrational actor to act, because action beats reaction.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
If he was reaching into the car it may well be good enough. You cannot wait for an irrational actor to act, because action beats reaction.
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So you're saying this man was executed for reaching into his car, and you don't see any problem with that ?
 
GhostlyJoe said:
The shooting was premature. "Not following orders" isn't good enough.
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The shooting wasn't based on "not following orders" it was what he did while not following orders.

His reaching into his vehicle elevated the threat and it was responded to with lethal force.




Tettsuo said:
He wasn't committing a crime or the process of doing anything illegal.
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Resisting is unlawful. But that is why he was shot.


Tettsuo said:
What reason did they have to draw their weapons if he wasn't doing anything wrong?
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You were already told why, apparently you just can't accept the reality of the situation. He elevated the need to draw her firearm by resisting.




Absentglare said:
So you're saying this man was executed for reaching into his car, and you don't see any problem with that ?
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No there is nothing wrong with that based in context of all that occurred previously to it.


Don't worry though, the Prosecutor is charging the Officer with manslaughter. Obviously he is a coward and doesn't want to make the correct decision here.
You can even see he is ignoring evidence that the guy was reaching into his vehicle which is what escalating the situation and created the need for lethal force.
As the use of lethal force is dependent on what other similarly situated Officers would think, that will likely lead to a non-conviction.


Tulsa, Oklahoma, police officer charged in man's death

Tulsa officer Betty Shelby fatally shot 40-year-old Terence Crutcher on Sept. 16. The affidavit filed with the charge says Shelby "reacted unreasonably by escalating the situation from a confrontation with Mr. Crutcher, who was not responding to verbal commands and was walking away from her with his hands held up, becoming emotionally involved to the point that she over reacted."​

Tulsa, Oklahoma, police officer charged in man's death ​
 
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