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FBI legitimately runs child pornography site.

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OK...this is just disgusting to me. The FBI takes over a child porn site, better than the original owner, and let people view and download actual child porn in order to catch people. Really??? I mean, we need to catch people but doing it in this manner is gross. They need to figure out how to get this done without exploiting children.

FBI ran website sharing thousands of child porn images

WASHINGTON — For nearly two weeks last year, the FBI operated what it described as one of the Internet’s largest child pornography websites, allowing users to download thousands of illicit images and videos from a government site in the Washington suburbs.

The operation — whose details remain largely secret — was at least the third time in recent years that FBI agents took control of a child pornography site but left it online in an attempt to catch users who officials said would otherwise remain hidden behind an encrypted and anonymous computer network. In each case, the FBI infected the sites with software that punctured that security, allowing agents to identify hundreds of users.
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What are your thoughts on this? Is the FBI and their methodology justified or the right way to go about it?
 
Sounds like textbook entrapment to me, as repugnant as kiddie porn is.
 
This bothers me. First, it isn't "porn". It is video and pictures of sexual assault. The government shouldn't be spreading that around for people to jack off to. I get that they make arrests but I guarantee you the video and pictures spread out beyond the people who downloaded it directly from the site.

I wonder if they got permission from the victims or the family of the victims. How would that conversation go? "Would it be alright if we posted the video of your 8-year-old being raped on the Internet to help us arrest people who like watching those kinds of videos?"

Disturbing.
 
Yeah, that's a pretty obvious case of entrapment.
 
Seriously? They need to just shut the site down. There's no need to tempt internet users to break the law.
 
sickening. no child who has ever been violated in this way should have those images available for reproduction

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Henrin said:
Yeah, that's a pretty obvious case of entrapment.
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Masterhawk said:
Seriously? They need to just shut the site down. There's no need to tempt internet users to break the law.
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instagramsci said:
sickening. no child who has ever been violated in this way should have those images available for reproduction

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all of this, AND what about those perverts who are not under FBI jurisdiction, like those living in other countries with no child porn laws at all?

This is just another federal program that was not thought through enough before they did it....as usual.

anyone remember Fast & Furious?
 
I doubt they are advertising the website anywhere so they will not be entrapping anybody IMO, they just have access to these perverts computer information. Sounds fine to me.

Now if they had started it up with the plan to entrap than maybe it would be different but even then, nobody is forced to log in there (I suppose you have to log in) or visit the websites. They just took over the computer which had this smut on it and digitally captured the perverts who visited the website and downloaded stuff.

And there is a way to capture/catch real child molesters online and it's called Sweetie

From what I understand it already caught child molesters in the far east and if they can do the same in the Netherlands/Europe than good on them.
 
Kobie said:
Sounds like textbook entrapment to me, as repugnant as kiddie porn is.
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Yeah... you need to learn what entrapment really is cause this case isnt even close..
 
Masterhawk said:
Seriously? They need to just shut the site down. There's no need to tempt internet users to break the law.
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Tempting them? Yeah... no. They are not doing that.
 
Peter King said:
I doubt they are advertising the website anywhere so they will not be entrapping anybody IMO, they just have access to these perverts computer information. Sounds fine to me. .
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Exactly...
 
Bodhisattva said:
Yeah... you need to learn what entrapment really is cause this case isnt even close..
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No different than an undercover cop trying to sell drugs to people. That's entrapment. Cops baiting someone into committing a crime, even if they're out there trying to commit a crime, is entrapment.

I'm certainly not defending people seeking child exploitation photos, but that's what entrapment is.
 
Kobie said:
Sounds like textbook entrapment to me, as repugnant as kiddie porn is.
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At first i thought so, as they hosted and distributed the data, but they did not produce any data themselves.

"But they have also prompted a backlash of a different kind. In a court filing, a lawyer for one of the men arrested after the FBI sting charged that “what the government did in this case is comparable to flooding a neighborhood with heroin in the hope of snatching an assortment of low-level drug users.” The defense lawyer, Colin Fieman, asked a federal judge to throw out child pornography charges against his client, former middle school teacher Jay Michaud. A federal judge is scheduled to hear arguments on that request Friday."

I think it's in a gray area. Pretty nasty thing to do. If they had just infected them with malware and tracked the users before making their move, that'd be a little more understandable. Actually hosting the data on their own servers and allowing users to upload new content (wtf why not "technical difficulties" ?) seems wrong.
 
Absentglare said:
At first i thought so, as they hosted and distributed the data, but they did not produce any data themselves.

"But they have also prompted a backlash of a different kind. In a court filing, a lawyer for one of the men arrested after the FBI sting charged that “what the government did in this case is comparable to flooding a neighborhood with heroin in the hope of snatching an assortment of low-level drug users.” The defense lawyer, Colin Fieman, asked a federal judge to throw out child pornography charges against his client, former middle school teacher Jay Michaud. A federal judge is scheduled to hear arguments on that request Friday."

I think it's in a gray area. Pretty nasty thing to do. If they had just infected them with malware and tracked the users before making their move, that'd be a little more understandable. Actually hosting the data on their own servers and allowing users to upload new content (wtf why not "technical difficulties" ?) seems wrong.
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I need to shower after actually saying the cops were wrong on this one. I feel sick. I realize that catching pervs sometimes takes ****ty methods, but I'd like it if they at least stuck to the BOR and established procedure at times. Entrapment has a definition, and this is it.

A lot about this seems wrong.
 
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Kobie said:
No different than an undercover cop trying to sell drugs to people. That's entrapment. Cops baiting someone into committing a crime, even if they're out there trying to commit a crime, is entrapment.

I'm certainly not defending people seeking child exploitation photos, but that's what entrapment is.
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Sorry, but I am going to disagree with you on this one. Now if some undercover cop was advertising that he is selling drugs or goes around and asks people if they want to buy drugs, than yes, entrapment 101.

But that is not the case here. They are using it as a trap, but the people who come on this website are there to break the law, they were not baited into a crime, they came there voluntarily without police prodding or enticing, to break the law by viewing//downloading child pornography. The police did not set up this website, they did not put the material on there they did not bait people to that website. These people came to that website completely voluntarily and if that do that, and the police has access to the server on which this filth is found, well, tough luck for the people visiting this website.
 
Kobie said:
Explain to us how it's not, rather than just saying "it's not." Your turn.
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criminal law, entrapment is a practice whereby a law enforcement agent induces a person to commit a criminal offense that the person would have otherwise been unlikely to commit.

Just operating a site is not entrapment..
 
Entrapment requires law enforcement to be encouraging someone to do something they wouldn't otherwise have done. This is definitely not entrapment. This could be considered an unethical police practice, pretty easily, but not entrapment.

People want to see a good example of entrapment, go look up the Delorean case.


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Fishking said:
OK...this is just disgusting to me. The FBI takes over a child porn site, better than the original owner, and let people view and download actual child porn in order to catch people. Really??? I mean, we need to catch people but doing it in this manner is gross. They need to figure out how to get this done without exploiting children.

FBI ran website sharing thousands of child porn images



What are your thoughts on this? Is the FBI and their methodology justified or the right way to go about it?
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Nothing new. The FBI sells drugs in drug stings, it creates imaginary terrorist events in that sort of sting, and generates and facilitates criminal activities as it pleases, and the dumb mainstream media raises no objections.

Many of the kiddie porn events are stings conducted by various law enforcement agencies, state and federal. It's how they roll.
 
Entrapment or not, this is supremely ****ed up.
I highly, highly doubt that they got the abuse victims permission to post that content.

In my opinion, the FBI is just as guilty as the former owners.
They should be in jail for the continued exploitation of children.
 
Fishking said:
What are your thoughts on this? Is the FBI and their methodology justified or the right way to go about it?
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I can understand the objections (though I also don’t consider it entrapment in any way), I can see it as being a necessary tactic. The material on the site was already in the public domain and had they just closed the site, most of it would quickly appear on the next replacement. By using this technique, the FBI can catch some of the offenders, including uploaders who are likely to be the actual abusers themselves and create an element of fear amongst other users who will now be second guessing any similar sites they use. It’s the kind of thing that would need to be very carefully considered and managed (but unfortunately also kept relatively confidential) but I don’t think it should be dismissed out of hand.
 
Fishking said:
OK...this is just disgusting to me. The FBI takes over a child porn site, better than the original owner, and let people view and download actual child porn in order to catch people. Really??? I mean, we need to catch people but doing it in this manner is gross. They need to figure out how to get this done without exploiting children.

FBI ran website sharing thousands of child porn images



What are your thoughts on this? Is the FBI and their methodology justified or the right way to go about it?
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Did they leave it up? Or did they run it? Big difference. And who gives a ****? It is illegal, they caught the people in charge, and now they are rounding up the fish.


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Harry Guerrilla said:
Entrapment or not, this is supremely ****ed up.
I highly, highly doubt that they got the abuse victims permission to post that content.

In my opinion, the FBI is just as guilty as the former owners.
They should be in jail for the continued exploitation of children.
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Where does it say they are posting content? Did I miss something?


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