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Can trans-genders cash in on set asides?

TheGoverness said:
Well it's considered a mental condition, not a disorder. But whether it should or should not be considered a mental disorder is still being debated within the medical community.

Trans people won't suffer greatly from their condition if they have gotten the proper treatment and are not ostracized in society. I'm pretty sure they accept their condition but they most certainly don't celebrate it.



No he was talking about scammers trying to pretend to be transgender.
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Do you think 'mental condition' is different than 'disorder'? Do you think a 'mental condition' would be included in the DSM were it not considered a 'problem'?

Scammers will have no problem pretending to be 'transgendered'. The ridiculous array of gender types and variations made up and created to make everyone feel all better about themselves has guaranteed it. You CANNOT tell a person they are NOT gender fluid...and more relevant...you cannot PROVE they are not gender fluid.
 
Chomsky said:
Actually, I'm doing so much left-brain/right-brain flipping around in this thread, I am feeling a bit ... confused! :2razz:
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Here you go brother...I mean sister....'find' yourself.

Agender
Androgyne
Androgynous
Bigender
Cis
Cisgender
Cis Female
Cis Male
Cis Man
Cis Woman
Cisgender Female
Cisgender Male
Cisgender Man
Cisgender Woman
Female to Male
FTM
Gender Fluid
Gender Nonconforming
Gender Questioning
Gender Variant
Genderqueer
Intersex
Male to Female
MTF
Neither
Neutrois
Non-binary
Other
Pangender
Trans
Trans*
Trans Female
Trans* Female
Trans Male
Trans* Male
Trans Man
Trans* Man
Trans Person
Trans* Person
Trans Woman
Trans* Woman
Transfeminine
Transgender
Transgender Female
Transgender Male
Transgender Man
Transgender Person
Transgender Woman
Transmasculine
Transsexual
Transsexual Female
Transsexual Male
Transsexual Man
Transsexual Person
Transsexual Woman
Two-Spirit


And thats providing your confusion might be related to your gender. You sure you arent a cat? Or maybe a snow leopard? Or a displaced gnome? Dont worry...we wont judge you. Hell...I cant judge you...I'm a polar bear.

;)
 
Chomsky said:
Please tell me you're being facetious?

If not, I'll reply by saying we currently have legal gender identity, and if we insist on giving gender benefits and other preferential gender treatment, we're going to have to find some way to nail down identity for legal purposes.
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But, under the same premises, this is bigoted to the other classifications. The point he made stands.
 
VanceMack said:
Do you think 'mental condition' is different than 'disorder'? Do you think a 'mental condition' would be included in the DSM were it not considered a 'problem'?

Scammers will have no problem pretending to be 'transgendered'. The ridiculous array of gender types and variations made up and created to make everyone feel all better about themselves has guaranteed it. You CANNOT tell a person they are NOT gender fluid...and more relevant...you cannot PROVE they are not gender fluid.
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Actually, me using the term 'mental condition' was incorrect on my part. The more proper term is a psychological state. A psychological state is considered to be a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgendered people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder. For these individuals, the significant problem is finding affordable resources, such as counseling, hormone therapy, medical procedures and the social support necessary to freely express their gender identity and minimize discrimination. Many other obstacles may lead to distress, including a lack of acceptance within society, direct or indirect experiences with discrimination, or assault.
 
Chomsky said:
Actually, I'm doing so much left-brain/right-brain flipping around in this thread, I am feeling a bit ... confused! :2razz:
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So you are feeling artistic painting flowers and the next instant solving mathematical equations?
 
Chomsky said:
You know, you bring-up an interesting question.

I say yes if they fully legalize their gender identity appropriately.

But this brings-up my contention that this new transgender identity changing needs to be regulated in a way that it's a serious and lasting legal change, with a great deal of work, effort, and other requirements, physical and otherwise. It needs to be more than "Right now I feel like a girl, but next week I might not"!
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VanceMack said:
Here you go brother...I mean sister....'find' yourself.

Agender
Androgyne
Androgynous
Bigender
Cis
Cisgender
Cis Female
Cis Male
Cis Man
Cis Woman
Cisgender Female
Cisgender Male
Cisgender Man
Cisgender Woman
Female to Male
FTM
Gender Fluid
Gender Nonconforming
Gender Questioning
Gender Variant
Genderqueer
Intersex
Male to Female
MTF
Neither
Neutrois
Non-binary
Other
Pangender
Trans
Trans*
Trans Female
Trans* Female
Trans Male
Trans* Male
Trans Man
Trans* Man
Trans Person
Trans* Person
Trans Woman
Trans* Woman
Transfeminine
Transgender
Transgender Female
Transgender Male
Transgender Man
Transgender Person
Transgender Woman
Transmasculine
Transsexual
Transsexual Female
Transsexual Male
Transsexual Man
Transsexual Person
Transsexual Woman
Two-Spirit


And thats providing your confusion might be related to your gender. You sure you arent a cat? Or maybe a snow leopard? Or a displaced gnome? Dont worry...we wont judge you. Hell...I cant judge you...I'm a polar bear.

;)
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Let me correct the list:

man
woman

Done.
 
SDET said:
Sure, I think it is only a matter of time before some men combine trans-gender considerations with monetary benefits set aside for women to legally scam money off the government.
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Ah got it thanks

You are correct, if there is a $ to be made, someone will try, no doubt.
 
VanceMack said:
Do you think 'mental condition' is different than 'disorder'? Do you think a 'mental condition' would be included in the DSM were it not considered a 'problem'?

Scammers will have no problem pretending to be 'transgendered'. The ridiculous array of gender types and variations made up and created to make everyone feel all better about themselves has guaranteed it. You CANNOT tell a person they are NOT gender fluid...and more relevant...you cannot PROVE they are not gender fluid.
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I already stated this another post, but if there is cash to be made, you can guarantee the scammers will be on it like a pigeon on a french fry.
 
yankintx said:
I already stated this another post, but if there is cash to be made, you can guarantee the scammers will be on it like a pigeon on a french fry.
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Of course, there are scammers literally in every corner of society.
 
How about we ditch all such government back programs and be done with it? All they are is institutionalized racism and sexism anyways, and should be treated as unconstitutional as they violate the equal protection clause. If they are programs backed by private non-profits or institutions then they can figure out their own policies on how to address the issue.
 
yankintx said:
I already stated this another post, but if there is cash to be made, you can guarantee the scammers will be on it like a pigeon on a french fry.
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Just as will perverts given the legal cover to hang out in womens bathrooms.

We sure have managed to **** up some pretty basic concepts.
 
It seems to me that these kind of programs are sexist.
 
VanceMack said:
Just as will perverts given the legal cover to hang out in womens bathrooms.

We sure have managed to **** up some pretty basic concepts.
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Has this actually happen yet? Not doubting it would, hell the pervs put cameras in ladies bathrooms and locker rooms anyway.
 
yankintx said:
Has this actually happen yet? Not doubting it would, hell the pervs put cameras in ladies bathrooms and locker rooms anyway.
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No it hasn't. At least, not to the significance that some individuals have tried to make it out to be.
 
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VanceMack said:
Just as will perverts given the legal cover to hang out in womens bathrooms.

We sure have managed to **** up some pretty basic concepts.
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Occasionally my partner and I go the gay clubs here in San Antonio to watch the young make fools of themselves. There are always TG folks in attendance, but I have never taken notice on which bathroom they use, and never came across one in the mens room, so I am guessing they are using the ladies. Who knows
 
yankintx said:
Has this actually happen yet? Not doubting it would, hell the pervs put cameras in ladies bathrooms and locker rooms anyway.
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Literally dozens of arrests in recent weeks...so yes...I'd say it has.
 
VanceMack said:
Literally dozens of arrests in recent weeks...so yes...I'd say it has.
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Are there guys actually dressing as ladies to access the womens room?

Not doubting you, but if you can dig up some links, would like to see what new tactics the pervs are using.
 
yankintx said:
Are there guys actually dressing as ladies to access the womens room?

Not doubting you, but if you can dig up some links, would like to see what new tactics the pervs are using.
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Fashion and womanly attire is not a requisite for declared gender identity. Neither is shaving. I've seen people on this site making statements that unless you did a package check you wouldn't know someone was transgendered or not and then they offer glamor shots of trans individuals that have had extensive work done to physically alter their appearance. Reality is....those are not representative of all or even most trans individuals. Most are 'unpretty'. Not the kind of people you want following your granddaughter into a bathroom. And that's 'real' trans individuals and not those that would exploit the ridiculous new laws and put children at risk.
 
TheGoverness said:
Well it's considered a mental condition, not a disorder. But whether it should or should not be considered a mental disorder is still being debated within the medical community.

Trans people won't suffer greatly from their condition if they have gotten the proper treatment and are not ostracized in society. I'm pretty sure they accept their condition but they most certainly don't celebrate it.



No he was talking about scammers trying to pretend to be transgender.
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And how do you determine if someone is "pretending to be transgender"? Is there a test?
 
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