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Muslim terror cell opened fire on hikers

A little authoritarian there buddy, take a chill pill. The source is the their own holy literature. what would you like to see?

I suppose you are referring to Sura 9:5
Once the Sacred Months are past, (and they refuse to make peace) you may kill the idol worshipers when you encounter them, punish them, and resist every move they make.

Then there is the verse saying kill witches -- You shall not permit a female sorcerer to live.
Does that indicate Male sorcerers are acceptable, just not those icky female ones?

or this one: “Put your sword on your side, each of you! Go back and forth from gate to gate throughout the camp, and each of you kill your brother, your friend, and your neighbour.”’

and this one: Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man by sleeping with him. But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves.
 
You can put Snopes where the snopes don't shine. Why don't you tell me what 15 Muslim men are doing in a remote area?

I dunno - camping?

Pamela Gellert is a right-wing activist and her story does not appear anywhere in the credible media, and by that I don't mean Fox News. The picture looks like a border patrol officer with a bunch of border jumpers.

You might want to call the local police department - named, and ask them.
 
I suppose you are referring to Sura 9:5


Then there is the verse saying kill witches -- You shall not permit a female sorcerer to live.
Does that indicate Male sorcerers are acceptable, just not those icky female ones?

or this one: “Put your sword on your side, each of you! Go back and forth from gate to gate throughout the camp, and each of you kill your brother, your friend, and your neighbour.”’

and this one: Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man by sleeping with him. But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves.

There is much more than one sura. And your Bible verses are being carried out by who right now? You think it acceptable because it happened in the Bible?

You can certainly do better than that.

Here is something to look at.
Each of the 164 Jihad verses in this list was selected based on how clearly and directly it spoke about Jihad, at least when considered in its immediate context. Most of the listed passages mention a military expedition, fighting, or distributing war spoils. Verses NOT generally listed are those that speak about aspects of Jihad other than the raiding, fighting and looting, such as:

Muhammad's poor opinion of those who did not go on Jihad, even though they were able-bodied and able financially (for instance, some verses in K 009:081-096),
The heavenly rewards for Jihadists, and
The many generic mentions of "victory" found in the Koran.

"164 Jihad Verses in the Koran -- Passages in the Quran about Islamic Holy War" compiled by Yoel Natan
 
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A lot of facts she speaks come from the Koran. How can the Islamics own words and actions not be facts? Credibility is diminished by orgs. lik eCAIR and the SPLC.

But those two groups, themselves, are left wing hate groups. As I said, the doctrine speaks for itself. And when someone tells you what it says(Islamic doctrine) they are haters.

That you refuse to admit that devout Muslims hate the kafirs guts demonstrates how emasculated the left truly is.

Exposing the hatred of others, as the SPLC does, does not make you a "left wing hate group". If the right wing nutjobs would not make so many hateful and discriminatory statements, the SPLC would have nothing to report upon, but sadly that is not the way the irrational right thinks.
 
Exposing the hatred of others, as the SPLC does, does not make you a "left wing hate group". If the right wing nutjobs would not make so many hateful and discriminatory statements, the SPLC would have nothing to report upon, but sadly that is not the way the irrational right thinks.

It really does freak me out sometimes how RWNJs can seriously claim the SPLC is a "hate group."
 
Exposing the hatred of others, as the SPLC does, does not make you a "left wing hate group". If the right wing nutjobs would not make so many hateful and discriminatory statements, the SPLC would have nothing to report upon, but sadly that is not the way the irrational right thinks.

There are plenty of non right wing nut job hate groups that the Southern Poverty Law center refuses to expose and go after, and they have made it their mission to attack conservative groups where ever possible. The SPLC was used as a resource by the FBI for a time, but now the FBI distances itself from them. Why is that?
 
It really does freak me out sometimes how RWNJs can seriously claim the SPLC is a "hate group."

It really does freak me out that you are not freaked out that a group that claims to be fair has the list that they have but they dont include PETA. I dont think they have either the occupy movement nor BLM.

The place does not pass the sniff test.
 
How much is over reactive? Profiling is not over reaction it is caution and common sense.

And no, I haven't been here before. Is this forum in the habit of getting rid of people you and others don't like?

Whether I am liked, or not, means 0. It doesn't change the harsh reality of Islams menance to the free world.

But IMO profiling for the sake of profiling is not common sense at all, it is counter productive and an total over reaction.

And yes, it has been seen before with African Americans, it is counter productive.

And no, nobody is trying to get rid of people others do not like, but sadly for some reason some people are not able to follow the rules of the forum. Nobody is doing anything to get rid of them, they get rid of themselves by not following the rules and pushing back when moderators are trying to keep them inside the rules and with the forum by giving warnings etc.

So please adapt and keep following the rules and then you will have no problem remaining here, it is usually not the message you post, it is the manner in which you post and express yourself that will get you in trouble. Or at least that has been my experience.
 
How do you know that? The doctrine of Islam leaves you no way to tell. In fact, devout Muslims are most likely to support jihad anyway they can.

Did the Muslims in Brussels hide the terrorist just captured for months? Does the collection in the mosques go to jihad? It says it does in the holy literature. So many things you see are exactly what anyone can read. Try it.

The doctrine of Islam according to some is to have an internal jihad on your own negative personality trades, that is the jihad everybody has to follow their entire life.

When asked in 2001/2002 what Jihad means to Muslims, the most often given answers were to do with:

the most frequently articulated descriptions of jihad included references to one's "duty toward God," a "divine duty," or a "worship of God" -- with no explicit militaristic connotation at all.

There is no simple way to quantitatively summarize the full diversity of the verbatim replies we received to this open-ended question. However, in addition to the two broader groupings mentioned above, personal definitions also included (in roughly decreasing order of frequency) references to:

"a commitment to hard work" and "achieving one's goals in life"
"struggling to achieve a noble cause"
"promoting peace, harmony or cooperation, and assisting others" (interesting, in light of jihad's more frequently ascribed meaning)

and to simply "living the principles of Islam."

What you see as Jihad is not automatically the same thing Muslims see, they often see it as the opposite of armed conflict with non-believers.
 
It really does freak me out sometimes how RWNJs can seriously claim the SPLC is a "hate group."

You are right, they do not send out the message of these hateful groups, they just show the people how some people have hateful and intolerant views.
 
There are plenty of non right wing nut job hate groups that the Southern Poverty Law center refuses to expose and go after, and they have made it their mission to attack conservative groups where ever possible. The SPLC was used as a resource by the FBI for a time, but now the FBI distances itself from them. Why is that?

Really, the FBI wants nothing to do with the SPLC? Or is that what the right wing media has made you believe?
 
I am not twisting anything. Granted the article was not totally true, but the problems with Islam are. And that is what I am trying to get across. And a reaction like yours is what they want.

As far as an honest discussion, I have no problem discussing why Islam is dangerous and relentless.

Not totally true? The gist of the story (radical Islamist terrorist cells fire upon people who discover them) was totally untrue, not "not totally true". No evidence of Muslims at all, zero evidence of terror cells and no firing on hikers, the 3 things this story was about according to the title of your thread.
 
Again I never argued that the story was totally true. But that there were weapons and Muslim men. Anything like that should be followed up on.

As far as Islamic doctrine I don't lie about that. And one thing the doctrine says it that there is no compromise, no treaty that will be honored if Islam concedes one thing.

How do you negotiate with that? Islam takes, it has from the beginning. And the hate you see comes from Islam not myself. If the Western world does not make it clear that freedom is what they want soon, forget about it. Did we fight Hitler? Did we use overpowering force? Check out Dresden.

To leave this for our children isn't going to work.

You posted as if it were true, you ignored the other subsequent sources where no middle eastern description was mentioned. There is zero evidence these were Muslim men. The sad truth is that you are much more likely to meet a group of white right wing survivalist extremist nationalist men than you are to meet a group of armed Muslim men in the United States.

You do not lie about Islam, you just misrepresent it and it's followers. Just like with everybody else there is no one size fits all description of Muslims, especially not your very anti-Islamic views on what Muslims represent. Islam does not take, politicians and political movements do. Just like Christianity does not take, but Christian based groups and voters do.

Your views on what Muslim is, just doesn't compute because if that is what Muslim was, there would be a world set ablaze right now as 1/3 of the worlds population (almost) is Muslim. But not even in Muslim countries is that the truth. Sure there are problems in loads of Muslim countries but not anything like you are trying to make it sound like.
 
The greatest "encouragement" ever given terrorists was the passage of the Patriot Act. "Look Achmed, we've frightened them so much they abandon their famous constitution."

It is just like the way some people (usually right wing) want us to crack down on our freedoms to protect us from the terrorists coming after our freedoms. Which is really counter productive iMHO, that would be doing the terrorists job for them. They want our way of live destroyed, no need for use to do it for them.
 
Really, the FBI wants nothing to do with the SPLC? Or is that what the right wing media has made you believe?

Ahhhh...another one that thinks every conservative is in lock step with the media.

A simple google will give you the facts. Also....I said "distance" not "nothing". The FBI is aware of some of the smear campaigns of the SLPC.
 
Ahhhh...another one that thinks every conservative is in lock step with the media.

A simple google will give you the facts. Also....I said "distance" not "nothing". The FBI is aware of some of the smear campaigns of the SLPC.

The facts are that they are still using the SPLC as a resource but have limited their own site information on linked resources to only government ones.
 
Ahhhh...another one that thinks every conservative is in lock step with the media.

A simple google will give you the facts. Also....I said "distance" not "nothing". The FBI is aware of some of the smear campaigns of the SLPC.

You mean that the FBI sees the SPLC as one of their outreach partners? The FBI is aware also of the smear campaigns against the SPLC.
 
Blaming America now? Islam is 1400 years old. And has been defeated militarily many times. So how do you think they would have the means to mount and all out attack?

And do you realize the number totally ignorant of everything but Islam?

And the faith is an open book. But does someone with a closed mind no good, right?



First it would be helpful if you commented in a recognizable language.

As to what ever point you were trying to make you clearly missed mine, whcih addressed you ludicrous suggestion that all of Islam is terrorist. Of course Islam has been defeated militarily, but that had not one thing to do with any part of the argument.

Now I will make it a clear as possible, using simple words. There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. If every one one of them were a terrorist, they would have won by now.

No, the faith is not an open book, everything you have said has been an outright lie.
 
Why do you think people would say such things without historical facts? There are many old texts that have recorded these atrocities. And I am sure your sources are versed in revisionism to promote multiculture. Which is a huge failure in Europe. Changing or lessening the history of Islam will not change the way the devout have acted, and still act to this day. Unlike Christian atrocities that ended long ago, and with much less of a death toll.

I laugh when Islamaphobes try and separate 'christian' from Western. The Christian West has slaughtered millions of innocents in both WWI and WWII. You cite fighting Hitler but his nation was a CHRISTIAN nation and many thought they were superior to Jews and Slavs... :doh

We carpet bombed millions of women and children during WWII.

Stalin wasn't Muslim and he murdered millions- Pinochet prayed on Sunday and sent his death squads out on Monday. Argentina murdered over 30,000 fellow christians in their 'dirty war'. We sponsored death squads in El Salvador... Guatemala where the US back government killed roughly 50,000 of it's own people.

Did you forget about 'The Troubles' of Northern Ireland??? Protestants against Catholics???? :confused:

How about our dear ally Ferdinand Marcos and his reign of terror under our protection???

Spain's dictator Franco's regime is listed as having murdered over 100,000 fellow Christians....

This ain't PC revisionism, it's Islamic hatred being EXTREMELY selective on 'remembering' the past... :peace
 
You posted as if it were true, you ignored the other subsequent sources where no middle eastern description was mentioned. There is zero evidence these were Muslim men. The sad truth is that you are much more likely to meet a group of white right wing survivalist extremist nationalist men than you are to meet a group of armed Muslim men in the United States.

You do not lie about Islam, you just misrepresent it and it's followers. Just like with everybody else there is no one size fits all description of Muslims, especially not your very anti-Islamic views on what Muslims represent. Islam does not take, politicians and political movements do. Just like Christianity does not take, but Christian based groups and voters do.

Your views on what Muslim is, just doesn't compute because if that is what Muslim was, there would be a world set ablaze right now as 1/3 of the worlds population (almost) is Muslim. But not even in Muslim countries is that the truth. Sure there are problems in loads of Muslim countries but not anything like you are trying to make it sound like.

And that is where they should stay. Next, how do I misrepresent Islam? Do you see what Muslims are doing? With all those people(Muslims) why don't they stop terror? Because it is believed in and supported. As far as the white nationalists. Who have they killed lately?
 
try and separate 'christian' from Western. The Christian West has slaughtered millions of innocents in both WWI and WWII. You cite fighting Hitler but his nation was a CHRISTIAN nation and many thought they were superior to Jews and Slavs... :doh

We carpet bombed millions of women and children during WWII.

Stalin wasn't Muslim and he murdered millions- Pinochet prayed on Sunday and sent his death squads out on Monday. Argentina murdered over 30,000 fellow christians in their 'dirty war'. We sponsored death squads in El Salvador... Guatemala where the US back government killed roughly 50,000 of it's own people.

Did you forget about 'The Troubles' of Northern Ireland??? Protestants against Catholics???? :confused:

How about our dear ally Ferdinand Marcos and his reign of terror under our protection???

Spain's dictator Franco's regime is listed as having murdered over 100,000 fellow Christians....

This ain't PC revisionism, it's Islamic hatred being EXTREMELY selective on 'remembering' the past... :peace
I laugh when Islamaphobes

I laugh when I hear that word too. That is a word designed to end a conversion.

First of all what the Nazis did was not found in Christian doctrine. There is zero about attacking, killing, or making anyone submit. Do not blame the faith for the actions of madmen.

Now the Islamic faith condones all those things if they advance Islam. And as far as madmen, Mohammad resembles that remark. And he is the perfect man. And he is to be emulated and imitated.
It says so over 90 times in the Koran.
 
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First it would be helpful if you commented in a recognizable language.

As to what ever point you were trying to make you clearly missed mine, whcih addressed you ludicrous suggestion that all of Islam is terrorist. Of course Islam has been defeated militarily, but that had not one thing to do with any part of the argument.

Now I will make it a clear as possible, using simple words. There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. If every one one of them were a terrorist, they would have won by now.

No, the faith is not an open book, everything you have said has been an outright lie.

You are talking spiritual aspects. I am basically talking politics, which Islam is. 64 %of the Koran concerns how non-Muslims are to be treated. And you get that percentage because it is in an open book. And I don't need to lie about Islam. The truth is nasty enough.
 
I am sure someone at some point will say it was done by the hated and reviled "Trump followers".
 
I laugh when I hear that word too. That is a word designed to end a conversion. First of all what the Nazis did was not found in Christian doctrine. There is zero about attacking, killing, or making anyone submit. Do not blame the faith for the actions of madmen. Now the Islamic faith condones all those things if they advance Islam. And as far as madmen, Mohammad resembles that remark. And he is the perfect man. And he is to be emulated and imitated.
It says so over 90 times in the Koran.

First off Germany was CHRISTIAN nation for both World Wars in which millions of German nationals committed uncountable atrocities against men, women and children. There was lots about attacking, killing, imprisoning anyone in the conquered nations who didn't submit. Reprisals against innocent villagers if a single German was killed... spare me your onion peeling... :roll:

Should we forget about our carpet bombing of millions of innocent civilians??? Westerners turned their back on their Faith- worse than your very biased interpretation of Islam...

I love how those who hate the Muslim faith insist they know so much about it and yet MILLIONS of Muslims refuse to answer the call to kill the Westerners a few radicals using a faith to cover conquest-

now speaking of using Faith- how many young men went to their deaths being told GAWD was on their side??? :peace
 
And that is where they should stay. Next, how do I misrepresent Islam? Do you see what Muslims are doing? With all those people(Muslims) why don't they stop terror? Because it is believed in and supported. As far as the white nationalists. Who have they killed lately?

You pretend that the small section of Islamic people who use violence and are extremely intolerant to be the predominant force in Islam, something it is not, and yes, that is misrepresenting Muslims if you project virtually all of them to be the enemies of the rest of the world.

And yes, I see what the right wing Muslim haters and what the extremist Islamic terrorists are doing, they are assaulting the freedoms of all non-violent well willing people in the world. And yes, I also Muslims protesting, fighting and denouncing hatred and extreme followers of their faith.

And who have they killed lately? Well, I remember some black folks in their church in 2015, and while no deaths where recorded there was the planned parenthood attack in 2015, 2010 the FBI building in Austin where some idiot flew into their building, the Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting, the LA international airport shooting in 2013, Frazier Glenn Miller jr. attacking a Jewish community center, the Las Vegas shootings of 2 police officers by Jerad and Amanda Miller, etc.

Islamic terrorist are a big problem, but they do not represent the majority of all Muslims by a long shot.
 
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