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No Right to Rent? Cities barring property owners from renting out

Centrehalf said:
We aren't talking about a machine shop. Be honest.
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I am being honest and I did say that my example wasn't the case here. However your statement was general and I answered it with a case where what you do on your property is a legitimate concern of your neighbors
 
Gaius46 said:
I am being honest and I did say that my example wasn't the case here. However your statement was general and I answered it with a case where what you do on your property is a legitimate concern of your neighbors
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You came back with "Machine Shop". I would put that in my house?
 
Centrehalf said:
You came back with "Machine Shop". I would put that in my house?
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Would you? I know more than one person who runs a mechanic shop out of their garage.

In the end it doesn't matter. There are good reasons for some zoning regulations - keeping a guy from running a garage or converting a home into manufacturing or split-use space is one. Keeping someone from renting space - assuming owner unoccupied - isn't.
 
Centrehalf said:
You came back with "Machine Shop". I would put that in my house?
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You made a generic comment, you got a generic possibility as a response. Some people just might put a machine shop in. I have known people who do side auto work in their garages. If you wanted an answer specific to you, then you should have asked a question specific to you.
 
radcen said:
You made a generic comment, you got a generic possibility as a response. Some people just might put a machine shop in. I have known people who do side auto work in their garages. If you wanted an answer specific to you, then you should have asked a question specific to you.
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Machine Shop is not a generic comment. Lick my sack.
 
Gaius46 said:
Would you? I know more than one person who runs a mechanic shop out of their garage.

In the end it doesn't matter. There are good reasons for some zoning regulations - keeping a guy from running a garage or converting a home into manufacturing or split-use space is one. Keeping someone from renting space - assuming owner unoccupied - isn't.
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Your first two words were "would you". Blow me.
 
I would like to see an examination of the COnstitutionality of these laws. Generally speaking there is a high bar for Government to clear in justly removing ownership rights. It is the state removing rights from the citizens.
 
Gaius46 said:
What is your problem? Fall out of bed or something this morning? Nothing I said should have caused you to get your tits in an uproar.
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I didn't come to you, you came to me. What is your problem?
 
Centrehalf said:
I didn't come to you, you came to me. What is your problem?
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Friend if you don't want to debate and potentially have your thoughts and ideas challenged you really should reconsider posting on a debate forum.
 
Gaius46 said:
Friend if you don't want to debate and potentially have your thoughts and ideas challenged you really should reconsider posting on a debate forum.
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Dickmunch, if you don't want to own your statements then don't make them. You came to me. Own it or go the fvck away.
 
Centrehalf said:
Dickmunch, if you don't want to own your statements then don't make them. You came to me. Own it or go the fvck away.
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lol. You're funny. Okay. Play time is over and I have to go back to work.

btw - personal insults like that generally get people in trouble around here. I don't particularly give a damn about childish behavior and name calling so it doesn't bother me in the least but you really should have some manners
 
Gaius46 said:
lol. You're funny. Okay. Play time is over and I have to go back to work.

btw - personal insults like that generally get people in trouble around here. I don't particularly give a damn about childish behavior and name calling so it doesn't bother me in the least but you really should have some manners
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Looks like your warning came too late. He seems to have gotten the ban hammer. WTF was that all about?
 
Kal'Stang said:
Sorry, but I can't get behind this at all. It is the homeowners property. Not anyone else's. No one has the right to tell other people whether or not they can rent out their own property.
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Yup that was exactly my reaction.
 
Chomsky said:
These type of regs have often been used (somewhat successfully) in private condo associations to avoid the building going majority rental, with what then is perceived to be a lowering of the quality of life and property values (often an accurate perception).

Because it's a government mandate though, I can see your argument here.

However, I can't see uniformity across an entire city though. Some areas will always be high rental density by necessity, and others low by desire. I have no problem with local government carrying-out the reasonable desires of the home-owning citizenry, and indeed applaud it. I see this as no different than zoning for business or alcohol sales. Actually, I really don't see much difference between zoning for renting or business, since renting to the public is indeed a public business transaction.
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I have to disagree.

I think government is guilty more and more often these days of encroaching the rights of property owners. I also don't believe that property owners can vote away the rights of other property owners.

The way things are going, I don't see why people would even want to own property anymore.... Nearly all 5 of the tenants of property ownership have been violated, or are on track to be violated if we keep going in this direction with government legislation/regulation.
 
Caine said:
I have to disagree.

I think government is guilty more and more often these days of encroaching the rights of property owners. I also don't believe that property owners can vote away the rights of other property owners.

The way things are going, I don't see why people would even want to own property anymore.... Nearly all 5 of the tenants of property ownership have been violated, or are on track to be violated if we keep going in this direction with government legislation/regulation.
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This idea that government thinks it can pass laws making it a crime to smoke a cig in our house when the cig is a legal product was when I started to pay attention. It has only been done in a few places, and I dont know that SCOTUS has had its say yet, but that any US government would even dream that they had the right to pass such a law should be a call to arms.
 
Caine said:
I have to disagree.

I think government is guilty more and more often these days of encroaching the rights of property owners. I also don't believe that property owners can vote away the rights of other property owners.

The way things are going, I don't see why people would even want to own property anymore.... Nearly all 5 of the tenants of property ownership have been violated, or are on track to be violated if we keep going in this direction with government legislation/regulation.
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You have a point. However, I am wondering if both sides are equally represented? This article is set up in favor of the owners. What is the rest of the story?
 
Lovebug said:
You have a point. However, I am wondering if both sides are equally represented? This article is set up in favor of the owners. What is the rest of the story?
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I don't think it really matters..

I don't think any group should be able to vote away the rights of another. That is a "pure democracy" which isn't the type of government we are supposed to have.

Im pretty sure you wouldn't be okay with the majority voting away the rights of minorities, just because they can outvote them, am I right?
 
Caine said:
I don't think it really matters..

I don't think any group should be able to vote away the rights of another. That is a "pure democracy" which isn't the type of government we are supposed to have.

Im pretty sure you wouldn't be okay with the majority voting away the rights of minorities, just because they can outvote them, am I right?
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I am as concerned about the neighbors as I am about the owners who rent at random. That is my point.
If responsible home owners rent out their property to properly vetted people, fine. If they have a month to month turn over, for profit, it may be a bit worrisome for those around them with small children, the elderly etc. Someone having parties for a month, playing loud music until dawn may not be welcome. What do they have to lose? Evict them? Their lease is only for a month.
The veteran...he only wants to make enough cash to keep his house. Right?
What control does he have over things while overseas?
Want to move in next door and have people trash not only that place but yours? Be my guest.
Look at both sides of the issue. That is all I am asking about.
 
Lovebug said:
I am as concerned about the neighbors as I am about the owners who rent at random. That is my point.
If responsible home owners rent out their property to properly vetted people, fine. If they have a month to month turn over, for profit, it may be a bit worrisome for those around them with small children, the elderly etc. Someone having parties for a month, playing loud music until dawn may not be welcome. What do they have to lose? Evict them? Their lease is only for a month.
The veteran...he only wants to make enough cash to keep his house. Right?
What control does he have over things while overseas?
Want to move in next door and have people trash not only that place but yours? Be my guest.
Look at both sides of the issue. That is all I am asking about.
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That is great..... but none of that matters when the property doesn't belong to the neighbors.

The issues are between the homeowner and the tenant. The homeowner can take advice from their property's neighbors if they choose to do so...... But I just don't think a neighbor has any say whether a homeowner should be allowed to rent their home due to the past activities of some tenants.

If a neighbor doesn't like the noise, call the police for a noise complaint.
If the homeowner doesn't like how the tenant trashed their place, sue them in court.

Trying to protect people in the neighborhood from the potential problems of some tenants by restricting the property rights of the homeowner doesn't even make sense, and isn't the answer.
 
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