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Police in Kansas awoke naked woman, asked her to locate gun then shot her to death

Tettsuo

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...ke-naked-woman-shot-lawsuit-article-1.2551918

Shots were fired at the home before police arrived.Gardner Police Officers Robert Huff, Justin Mohney and Jeff Breneman removed Choate's boyfriend after arriving at the home, and later found Choate sleeping naked in her bed, according to a Courthouse News Service report about the Feb. 25 complaint.
The officers — who handed her a sweatshirt — repeatedly asked her, "Where is the gun?" the lawsuit states.
Eventually Choate complied, producing the handgun.
"Oh, here it is," the lawsuit states.
The officers then shot Choate to death, according to the lawsuit, which was filed in U.S. District Court.
"Deanne was not threatening in any way as she complied with officers' instructions in providing a handgun located between the mattress and headboard of the bed," the lawsuit states, according to Courthouse News. "The gun would have easily been located by officers if they had searched and 'cleared' the room as reported."
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ocean515 said:
Ok. So, one side of the story. Where is the other, or is this thread attempting to suggest the ideas presented in the lawsuit are 100% factual?
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I haven't mentioned anything as of yet. I gave no hint on my position... yet you're ready to defend the cops right out the gate.
 
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Tettsuo said:
I haven't mentioned anything as of yet. I gave no hint on my position... yet you're ready to defend the cops right out the gate.
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Umm. No. Just stating the facts. The only thing offered is the claims in the lawsuit. Obviously there is another side to the story. Any rational reader would understand that.

Clearly, by jumping to conclusions, you've tipped your hat, so no need to think you haven't provided a hint. In fact, you're OP on it's face is a hint.
 
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ocean515 said:
Umm. No. Just stating the facts. The only thing offered is the claims in the lawsuit. Obviously there is another side to the story. Any rational reader would understand that.

Clearly, by jumping to conclusions, you've tipped your hat, so no need to think you haven't provided a hint. In fact, you're OP on it's face is a hint.
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Show me where I jumped to a conclusion. Or am I jumping to a conclusion simply by posting an article?
 
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Experienced officers should have asked her to tell them where the gun was located, but not to reach for or attempt to retrieve the gun. Did they do that? We don't know. If they did not then they may be to blame. We will likely never known precisely what instructions she was given or how she responded to said instructions.

They obviously knew she did not have a gun on her person. Did they isolate her from areas where she may have retrieved a weapon? Was she cuffed? Reaching under a mattress under the circumstances could be a threatening move. I'm not saying the police were justified but there is much that isn't known.
 
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Tettsuo said:
Show me where I jumped to a conclusion. Or am I jumping to a conclusion simply by posting an article?
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well the title of the thread:

Police in Kansas awoke naked woman, asked her to locate gun then shot her to death
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makes it sound like shes the victim
 
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Here's what confuses me.

She was in her home, in her bed... naked. She's not a threat at the moment. Why not just have a conversation with the boyfriend and make sure everything was okeydokie? Why not restrain her first, then have one of the cops retrieve the firearm?

I look forward to the cops version of events.

Police have previously said that Choate did not obey the officers' commands to put down the gun.
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No statement that the woman pointed the gun at the cops? So why shoot at all?
 
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lb_on_teh_cb said:
well the title of the thread:

makes it sound like shes the victim
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That's the title of the article. Look it up.
 
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Tettsuo said:
That's the title of the article. Look it up.
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I mean the title of the article seems to be factual. Justice has not been served.
 
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This is just another example of the police engaging in thrill kills.
 
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reinoe said:
This is just another example of the police engaging in thrill kills.
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im not ready to blame them until i hear their side.
 
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reinoe said:
This is just another example of the police engaging in thrill kills.
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Which may be supported by bodycam videos

Armed with bodycam footage of the incident, the Choates blame police for being trigger happy when they were supposed to help their mother.
“They say she was pointing a pistol at them,” Choate’s 37-year-old son Michael Weddington told The Daily Beast in an exclusive interview, referring to body camera video footage captured from the tragic night that Choate’s family members reviewed.

And after video footage from a cop’s body camera was finally offered for the family to view, Weddington is certain the cops overreacted and could have spared her life.
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lb_on_teh_cb said:
im not ready to blame them until i hear their side.
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I believe that they're claiming that they were just minding their own business inside of her house when the woman ambushed them while she was sleeping. Then she pointed a gun at them while declaring "where's your God now".
 
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Tettsuo said:
Here's what confuses me.

She was in her home, in her bed... naked. She's not a threat at the moment. Why not just have a conversation with the boyfriend and make sure everything was okeydokie? Why not restrain her first, then have one of the cops retrieve the firearm?

I look forward to the cops version of events.


No statement that the woman pointed the gun at the cops? So why shoot at all?
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Proof that you were already making assumptions while you posted the thread. How about waiting until all the facts are out before defending your one sided post?
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
"according to Olathe police."
Self investigations by police departments never have had a historical precedence of bull****, right?
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So the "corrupt" police barge into a woman's house kill her in cold blood with bodycams on and then after a review clear the cops but show the bodycams to the family giving them all the evidence they need to win a multimillion dollar lawsuit?

Sure thing buddy....
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
I mean the title of the article seems to be factual.
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According to what, the article? Funny how that usually works.
 
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Crovax said:
So the "corrupt" police barge into a woman's house kill her in cold blood with bodycams on and then after a review clear the cops but show the bodycams to the family giving them all the evidence they need to win a multimillion dollar lawsuit?

Sure thing buddy....
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Wouldnt be the first.

"Weddington added that the video footage shows cops approaching the bed for the first glimpse of any gun. “Never once do you see that pistol until cops pull it from her knee after lifting the blanket,” he said.
The gunshots still echoing off the walls, Weddington says one of the officers allegedly orders everybody to “shut off your cameras.”
He said cops spirited Musto away and then allegedly did something peculiar.
“When Theresa and I saw they had taken her from the bedroom and laid her by the front door after she was shot we were confused,” he said. “They moved her in there and they covered her with a red blanket and then the ambulance showed up.”
The removal of Choate’s bullet-riddled corpse seems especially unorthodox given that her death and all of the factors that caused it becomes key evidence. Disturbing anything in that room (especially the remains before photographing it, examining it externally, and documenting the results) can be detrimental to preserving a crime scene’s integrity.
“Fragile evidence (which can be easily contaminated, lost or altered) must also be collected and/or preserved to maintain chain of custody and to assist in determination of cause, manner and circumstances of death,” according to The National Institute of Justice’s Guide to Death Scene Investigation.
Weddington goes even further to blame the prosecutors for trying to bury the video evidence and silence his family with a settlement worth “not more than $200,000.”
“There was nothing right about any of it,” Weddington said. “They tried to pay us off and sign a paper to get us to not let the video become public.
“So they were trying to get us to not sue them and not to make this public.”
 
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ecofarm said:
According to what, the article? Funny how that usually works.
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This didnt occur: "Police in Kansas awoke naked woman, asked her to locate gun then shot her to death"?

-The police are from KS
-They did encounter a naked woman
-They did ask her to find a gun
-She was then shot
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
This didnt occur: "Police in Kansas awoke naked woman, asked her to locate gun then shot her to death"?

-The police are from KS
-They did encounter a naked woman
-They did ask her to find a gun
-She was then shot
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Are you playing stupid? The implicit claim of the article is that those are all of the meaningful events in the sequence.
 
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ecofarm said:
Are you playing stupid? The implicit claim of the article is that those are all of the meaningful events in the sequence.
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No its not.

"Police have previously said that Choate did not obey the officers' commands to put down the gun.

A local district attorney cleared the officers of wrongdoing in Choate's death, stating that the use of force was justified."
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
No its not.

"Police have previously said that Choate did not obey the officers' commands to put down the gun.

A local district attorney cleared the officers of wrongdoing in Choate's death, stating that the use of force was justified."
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That's not in the title, which presumably highlights the most important parts of the story. That alone should set off alarms. The title could have been "cops wake naked woman, then shoot her" and you'd argue "those things are true" as if there's not a narrative going on here.
 
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