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Police in Kansas awoke naked woman, asked her to locate gun then shot her to death

Re: Police in Kansas awoke naked woman, asked her to locate gun then shot her to deat



It is your post that is complete BS.

100% of everything I said in my post is backed up with receipts, my attorney's files and court records that I have copies of.

It is all 100% true and factual, and I experienced it in real life.
 
Re: Police in Kansas awoke naked woman, asked her to locate gun then shot her to deat

My latest encounter...

It's around 9:30 pm. It's the wife's turn to drive home after visiting family. She's in the left lane on a two-lane highway with moderate-heavy traffic. Someone gets right up on her tail - I'd estimate 2-3 feet, way too close - even though she was going about 15 over the limit (along with the rest of traffic). The tailgater puts on his brights.

Eventually a space opens up and she switches to the right lane, and flicking off the tailgater in the process.



Blue and red lights. Oh, great. Turns out it was a cop in an unmarked car, committing a VERY dangerous traffic offense. (Tailgaiting from a couple of feet away, blinding the driver with brights, and doing this while speeding...is not good. If she had to jam on her breaks, instant multi-car pileup with likely casualties).

Cop comes up to the window, screaming and flailing his arms around. I'm thinking "Ok. Just sit still. But holy crap is this going to end in us getting beaten/tasered/etc?" He was completely out of control for a few minutes of berating us, and fortunately it was just berating.

The ticket is a travel-left lane warning, but "obstructing an officer" offense.




Now, the good: he was such a known hothead that he writes on the ticket "(flicked me off)" after listing the offense. (I suggested this be one theme of her argument if she had to make one. That he was angry enough to write that down indicates that it was the true reason she was pulled over, not any supposed offense)

When she goes before the judge, they had a different cop there to represent all tickets (no right to confront one's accuser in a civil traffic offense...). The cop and the magistrate read the ticket, say "oh yeah, we know that guy", and dismiss it without even asking for my wife's version of events.




But you know...that guy is still out there. I'd bet a pile that some day, he's going to seriously injure or kill someone because he blows up in anger, misjudging a situation. He's also going to get off scot free unless the whole thing was video taped.

You do realize that while I am not defending this officer's attitude, which is deplorable, lifting your middle finger to other people in anger isn't exactly "acceptable" either.

Imagine how this would have went if that were not to have happened.
 
Re: Police in Kansas awoke naked woman, asked her to locate gun then shot her to deat

The only time I'll need the police is if I got the munchies and need to find a good donut shop. Why is it that the people like you always assume that those who criticize the police for their errant behavior are constantly in need of the police to come and do a rescue?

Because people who criticize the police are typically involved in regular criminal behavior. And the people who use police services the most are those who also happen to be regularly engaged in criminal behavior.

The vast majority (in the 90th percentile) of "home invasions" involve homes that are known drug houses, just as an example.
 
Re: Police in Kansas awoke naked woman, asked her to locate gun then shot her to deat

It is your post that is complete BS.

100% of everything I said in my post is backed up with receipts, my attorney's files and court records that I have copies of.

It is all 100% true and factual, and I experienced it in real life.

Typically, when someone spews the vitriol that you just did, it is an indicator that they are a person who doesn't understand the concept of personal responsibility. So they create a situation in their own minds in which the "other guys" are worse.

Earlier generations, like the ones that fought in WWII took personal responsibility for their own actions. As time continues, each and every generation tends to get a little more towards the idea that it is everyone elses fault but their own, and that nobody should be able to stop them from doing anything they want, even if its illegal.

I mean, ****, we have an entire protest group that started because a law enforcement officer defended himself from an assault by a man who robbed a store by tossing around the clerk. The group started in defense of a criminal.
 
Re: Police in Kansas awoke naked woman, asked her to locate gun then shot her to deat

Because people who criticize the police are typically involved in regular criminal behavior. And the people who use police services the most are those who also happen to be regularly engaged in criminal behavior.

The vast majority (in the 90th percentile) of "home invasions" involve homes that are known drug houses, just as an example.
When you say "use police services" do you mean in terms of being arrested/processed through the system, or protection from other criminals?
 
Re: Police in Kansas awoke naked woman, asked her to locate gun then shot her to deat

Umm. No. Just stating the facts. The only thing offered is the claims in the lawsuit. Obviously there is another side to the story. Any rational reader would understand that.

Clearly, by jumping to conclusions, you've tipped your hat, so no need to think you haven't provided a hint. In fact, you're OP on it's face is a hint.

Hey, here's an idea... PRODUCE THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY!
 
Re: Police in Kansas awoke naked woman, asked her to locate gun then shot her to deat

When you say "use police services" do you mean in terms of being arrested/processed through the system, or protection from other criminals?

Calls to settle domestic disputes, report being a victim of theft at the home, getting arrested, getting robbed, getting robbed at work as an employee of a business.

Am I saying only criminals call these things in? No. I am saying that most calls for service come from high crime areas, and are called in by people who live in those areas.
 
Re: Police in Kansas awoke naked woman, asked her to locate gun then shot her to deat

Calls to settle domestic disputes, report being a victim of theft at the home, getting arrested, getting robbed, getting robbed at work as an employee of a business.

Am I saying only criminals call these things in? No. I am saying that most calls for service come from high crime areas, and are called in by people who live in those areas.
Got'cha. Thanks for the clarification.
 
Re: Police in Kansas awoke naked woman, asked her to locate gun then shot her to deat

Hey, here's an idea... PRODUCE THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY!

Not my OP. Besides, what would be the point? The OP carries a one sided agenda that would ignore such effort. Better to allow exposure to the bias, that correct the flawed premise.
 
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Not my OP. Besides, what would be the point? The OP carries a one sided agenda that would ignore such effort. Better to allow exposure to the bias, that correct the flawed premise.

Lazy thinking.

So instead of actually finding evidence of bias, you just claim bias and declare that as proof and therefore the article should be ignored.

There is no agenda except for the one you're pushing. That's why you aren't addressing the article and instead are working unusually hard to address me personally.

Weak sauce. Very weak.
 
Re: Police in Kansas awoke naked woman, asked her to locate gun then shot her to deat

Not my OP. Besides, what would be the point? The OP carries a one sided agenda that would ignore such effort. Better to allow exposure to the bias, that correct the flawed premise.

No offense but that is a massive failure in debating standards...
 
Re: Police in Kansas awoke naked woman, asked her to locate gun then shot her to deat

Lazy thinking.

So instead of actually finding evidence of bias, you just claim bias and declare that as proof and therefore the article should be ignored.

There is no agenda except for the one you're pushing. That's why you aren't addressing the article and instead are working unusually hard to address me personally.

Weak sauce. Very weak.

LOL.

Not at all. Not that I care about your opinion, but the poster immediately attacked my question about lack of "the other side of the story" by claiming I was defending the cops. I did no such thing. With this attack, the evidence of bias was instantaneous to any neutral party attempting to understand the situation presented in the OP and the question/comment I made.

Your claim about weakness lacks any validity or relevance, and therefore is meaningless.
 
Re: Police in Kansas awoke naked woman, asked her to locate gun then shot her to deat

No offense but that is a massive failure in debating standards...

Just trying to keep up with the overall standards displayed by most posters here. I'm not wasting my time with a poster who has no interest in facts.
 
Re: Police in Kansas awoke naked woman, asked her to locate gun then shot her to deat

Just trying to keep up with the overall standards displayed by most posters here. I'm not wasting my time with a poster who has no interest in facts.

What facts are you even talking about? I posted facts in the OP. You didn't bring up a single fact. Not one. Which is pretty amazing.
 
Re: Police in Kansas awoke naked woman, asked her to locate gun then shot her to deat

What facts are you even talking about? I posted facts in the OP. You didn't bring up a single fact. Not one. Which is pretty amazing.

My first comment was simply this:

Ok. So, one side of the story. Where is the other, or is this thread attempting to suggest the ideas presented in the lawsuit are 100% factual?​

Your immediate reply:

I haven't mentioned anything as of yet. I gave no hint on my position... yet you're ready to defend the cops right out the gate.

I didn't try to defend anything. Your OP is full of "facts" claimed in a lawsuit. Those aren't facts, they are claims. Mass murderers plead innocent when in court. Are they innocent simply because the claim they are.

Clearly, you have an agenda, and you want to show how cops are bad. If the "claims" in the lawsuit prove out in court, the cops should be thrown in jail for murder. It seems your anxious to claim they are guilty before all the fuss of trial takes place.

So, no, you didn't present facts, other than the "claims" of a lawsuit. Don't dream you can hide from that very obvious fact.
 
Re: Police in Kansas awoke naked woman, asked her to locate gun then shot her to deat

My first comment was simply this:

Ok. So, one side of the story. Where is the other, or is this thread attempting to suggest the ideas presented in the lawsuit are 100% factual?​

Your immediate reply:

I haven't mentioned anything as of yet. I gave no hint on my position... yet you're ready to defend the cops right out the gate.

I didn't try to defend anything. Your OP is full of "facts" claimed in a lawsuit. Those aren't facts, they are claims. Mass murderers plead innocent when in court. Are they innocent simply because the claim they are.
Yeah, you did. No one posts one article and then post an article that refutes it within the same post. NO ONE. So why are you asking for something that no one does? Why this topic? That speaks of your bias, plain and simple that you even question why a poster didn't refute an article they've posted right out the gate.

Then, you refuse to even do any of your own research by looking for the other side you continue to claim exists.

Finally, you've made it your mission to attack me and not the article.

All of these speak to someone that has no interest in discussing the article and is fully working to dismiss it right out the gate.

So, no, you didn't present facts, other than the "claims" of a lawsuit. Don't dream you can hide from that very obvious fact.
It is a fact that the woman was shot and killed by the cops. It's a fact that she was naked. It is a fact that the family is suing. What was not a fact regarding the article? What facts have you posted other than your unfounded beliefs?

You're being ridiculous.
 
Re: Police in Kansas awoke naked woman, asked her to locate gun then shot her to deat

Yeah, you did. No one posts one article and then post an article that refutes it within the same post. NO ONE. So why are you asking for something that no one does? Why this topic? That speaks of your bias, plain and simple that you even question why a poster didn't refute an article they've posted right out the gate.

Then, you refuse to even do any of your own research by looking for the other side you continue to claim exists.

Finally, you've made it your mission to attack me and not the article.

All of these speak to someone that has no interest in discussing the article and is fully working to dismiss it right out the gate.


It is a fact that the woman was shot and killed by the cops. It's a fact that she was naked. It is a fact that the family is suing. What was not a fact regarding the article? What facts have you posted other than your unfounded beliefs?

You're being ridiculous.

LOL.

Chill out. You're inventing things that never have been stated, and I have never written. I have not offered any unfounded beliefs. I have suggested you have an agenda, which is simply my opinion based on your responses.

Here are some facts from your OP that you seem to want to ignore.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/police-kansas-awoke-naked-woman-shot-lawsuit-article-1.2551918

City and police officials were not immediately available Thursday to address the lawsuit.

Police have previously said that Choate did not obey the officers' commands to put down the gun.A local district attorney cleared the officers of wrongdoing in Choate's death, stating that the use of force was justified.​

Are these not facts too?
 
Re: Police in Kansas awoke naked woman, asked her to locate gun then shot her to deat

LOL.

Chill out. You're inventing things that never have been stated, and I have never written. I have not offered any unfounded beliefs. I have suggested you have an agenda, which is simply my opinion based on your responses.
An opinion is a belief. Your opinion is utterly unfounded.

Here are some facts from your OP that you seem to want to ignore.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/police-kansas-awoke-naked-woman-shot-lawsuit-article-1.2551918

City and police officials were not immediately available Thursday to address the lawsuit.

Police have previously said that Choate did not obey the officers' commands to put down the gun.A local district attorney cleared the officers of wrongdoing in Choate's death, stating that the use of force was justified.​

Are these not facts too?
It's in the article. I posted the article. So, by default, I did post that information.
 
Re: Police in Kansas awoke naked woman, asked her to locate gun then shot her to deat

Experienced officers should have asked her to tell them where the gun was located, but not to reach for or attempt to retrieve the gun. Did they do that? We don't know. If they did not then they may be to blame. We will likely never known precisely what instructions she was given or how she responded to said instructions.

They obviously knew she did not have a gun on her person. Did they isolate her from areas where she may have retrieved a weapon? Was she cuffed? Reaching under a mattress under the circumstances could be a threatening move. I'm not saying the police were justified but there is much that isn't known.

Police-borne camera would tell the story.
 
Re: Police in Kansas awoke naked woman, asked her to locate gun then shot her to deat

An opinion is a belief. Your opinion is utterly unfounded.


It's in the article. I posted the article. So, by default, I did post that information.

Then why did you immediately assume I was defending the cops? Give it a rest. You're the one looking ridiculous.

I'm done. Good luck with your quest. You need to work a little harder on hiding your agenda.
 
Re: Police in Kansas awoke naked woman, asked her to locate gun then shot her to deat

Police have previously said that Choate did not obey the officers' commands to put down the gun.A local district attorney cleared the officers of wrongdoing in Choate's death, stating that the use of force was justified.[/INDENT]

Are these not facts too?

In "fact" form, it would be: The officers who shot the naked victim dead told investigators that the naked victim did not obey officers' commands to put down the gun. A local district attorney decided not to prosecute the officers for wrongdoing in Choate's death, stating that the use of force was justified.

Unless, of course, you're assuming that what an officer says is a true fact, which would be precisely the same fault you seem to be alleging against a thread based on claims in a lawsuit.
 
Re: Police in Kansas awoke naked woman, asked her to locate gun then shot her to deat

You need to work a little harder on hiding your agenda.

He could fairly respond with "ditto"
 
Re: Police in Kansas awoke naked woman, asked her to locate gun then shot her to deat

In "fact" form, it would be: The officers who shot the naked victim dead told investigators that the naked victim did not obey officers' commands to put down the gun. A local district attorney decided not to prosecute the officers for wrongdoing in Choate's death, stating that the use of force was justified.

Unless, of course, you're assuming that what an officer says is a true fact, which would be precisely the same fault you seem to be alleging against a thread based on claims in a lawsuit.

I'm not assuming anything. I've made that very clear. Like any rational objective thinking person, the fact there are two side to every story is not some unusual revelation.

The OP, and it's originator clearly has a bias, and is not a rational objective thinking person. Their responses make that crystal clear, and therefor make this particular thread disingenuous and rather pointless.
 
Re: Police in Kansas awoke naked woman, asked her to locate gun then shot her to deat

He could fairly respond with "ditto"

BS. I suggest you take your own advice, because you're failing miserably at trying to hide yours.

I've offered no support for the cops. I've suggested they be jailed for murder if the evidence convicts them.

I've simply asked about other facts missing in the OP. The response to this simple observation/request provided the reason.

It seems there are many on the left who have a very difficult time with rational objective reasoning, and that is a shame because it eliminates credibility for no reason.
 
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