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LAWYER: 'Police State' If We Lose to FBI...

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someone mentioned that the FBI should be doing this work itself - by hiring some of the best hackers.

seems like a better alternative to me
 
Because Apple is right, this one case was not the whole picture. The bottom line is the FBI wants Apple to build into their devices a security bypass backdoor, which opens up all kinds of potential risk to Apple product owners from the government, other governments, hackers, data thefts and hijackers, terrorists, etc.

The FBI basically wants products with security faults built in, and it is today's equivalent to a police state type function.

The Constitution is out the window on this one, just the request alone is enough to confirm that the government has zero interest in fundamental rights. You should be upset, and you should be all over your Congressman about it (not that it will help I am sorry to add.)
 
We've been a police state for 20+ years. Welcome to life Mr. Olson, and you participated in the fraud that helped it happen.
 
lb_on_teh_cb said:
someone mentioned that the FBI should be doing this work itself - by hiring some of the best hackers.

seems like a better alternative to me
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Agreed!

Frank Apisa said:
He's really talking about personal privacy.

And about that: The boat has already sailed.
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Not totally. I have places I can go where they can't monitor me, I refuse to sign up with Twitter or Facebook, got rid of my cell phone, pay cash for many of my purchases.
There is a lot about me that they don't know.

OrphanSlug said:
Because Apple is right, this one case was not the whole picture. The bottom line is the FBI wants Apple to build into their devices a security bypass backdoor, which opens up all kinds of potential risk to Apple product owners from the government, other governments, hackers, data thefts and hijackers, terrorists, etc.

The FBI basically wants products with security faults built in, and it is today's equivalent to a police state type function.

The Constitution is out the window on this one, just the request alone is enough to confirm that the government has zero interest in fundamental rights. You should be upset, and you should be all over your Congressman about it (not that it will help I am sorry to add.)
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Fully agree.
 
Even if you trust the government, and I certainly don't, and are willingly to throw the Constitution in the crapper, I'm not, the fact security flaws can be exploited by anyone should give you pause. Your device becomes less secure not only to the government but to anyone cares to try to break into it.
 
Frank Apisa said:
He's really talking about personal privacy.

And about that: The boat has already sailed.
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Agre. Weren't we told some time ago that the NSA could listen to every call?

Plus, I got the impression that online banking/buying was the real concern....not conversations.
 
I still don't understand why the FBI doesn't just hire a real hacker to do it. Job done in less than an hour. It is not that hard to hack an iPhone.
 
clownboy said:
I still don't understand why the FBI doesn't just hire a real hacker to do it. Job done in less than an hour. It is not that hard to hack an iPhone.
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From what I have been reading...this new phone is one hell of a project.

And you only get like five tries. After five misses...the phone automatically destroys everything in its memory...and the erasure is total and renders it irretrievable.

Shades of Mission Impossible.
 
Frank Apisa said:
From what I have been reading...this new phone is one hell of a project.

And you only get like five tries. After five misses...the phone automatically destroys everything in its memory...and the erasure is total and renders it irretrievable.

Shades of Mission Impossible.
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Wow, that's a good safety measure. Good on apple but I'm still not sure why they can't just break open THIS ONE PHONE.
 
reinoe said:
Wow, that's a good safety measure. Good on apple but I'm still not sure why they can't just break open THIS ONE PHONE.
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Because it is currently physically impossible. The government is trying to force them to invent a method for breaking their own security; once that method exists, it can be used by anybody.

Point blank, our right to privacy is more important than national security and **** the FBI for saying otherwise.
 
MickeyW said:
Apple’s attorney painted a scary picture if Apple loses its fight with the FBI.

In an interview with CNNMoney’s Laurie Segall on Friday, Ted Olson warned of a government with “limitless” powers that could “listen to your conversations.”
Apple’s Lawyer: If We Lose, It Will Lead To A ‘Police State’ « CBS Philly
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The Apple case aside this is sort of too important to work everything out over one. It is good though that the contestant is a grown up.
I think we need think about what data should be protected, when not, how to control the ones with access etc.
 
Frank Apisa said:
From what I have been reading...this new phone is one hell of a project.

And you only get like five tries. After five misses...the phone automatically destroys everything in its memory...and the erasure is total and renders it irretrievable.

Shades of Mission Impossible.
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Bad news for Apple users. A firm which describes itself as "a premium exploit acquisition platform" has just paid $1 million to undisclosed hackers to remotely jailbreaking the latest iPhone operating system – which potentially opens way for spy agencies abusing it too.
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https://www.rt.com/usa/320671-iphone-hack-nsa-surveillance/

This was November last year.
 
here big government, have some more power, you're not going to abuse it are you? ok big government, was just making sure.
 
QuadpolarNutjob said:
here big government, have some more power, you're not going to abuse it are you? ok big government, was just making sure.
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I expect soon someone here with 'conservative' where it says 'Lean' to ask, "What are you worried about if you have nothing to hide?"
 
The villain in the FBI vs. Apple fight is the CIA.

CIA Director John Brennan Backs FBI in Apple Privacy Debate

“I would like the government to have the ability to gain access to information that is in these electronic various devices that can be used to further investigations, whether it be guilt or innocence of individuals,” he said.
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At least the FBI isn't calling for an abomination the likes of which Brennan wants to Frankenstein.

Brennan stressed the need for a private-public sector partnership to adapt to the encrypted messaging technologies used by terrorists.
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If the FBI wins, the CIA becomes the Neo-Fiat Schutzenstaffel.
 
Our privacy is literally tittering on the brink and not just from the government but also from the private sector. Several corporations such as Google are working on "smart" environments where almost everything that we do can be monitored from how much coffee we consume to how many hours we sleep all being monitored by smart technology that they wish to integrate into all of our everyday products. Their vision is to have almost everything we use come equipped with a microchip and censors that monitor our daily consumption and habits. Their pitch is it would allow them to better tailor services and products based on user needs. Think windows 10 and its increased user statistics being sent back to Microsoft, that is just the tip of the iceberg on what these companies wish to ultimately accomplish. While this may appeal to many consumers who wish to make their lives a little easier or more convenient it has a profound impact on our privacy.

As most people are aware we have been micro-chipping pets for some years now with owner address and health conditions in case a pet is lost. I think most of us can agree that this is a beneficial service however were you aware that companies are now taking volunteer humans and implementing the same microchip technology? When I was a child the local authorities promoted an old tech approach to help insure child safety. My mother had my finger prints taken and put on file in case I were to ever be lost or abducted or killed as a means that I could be identified. Today some companies are promoting the same idea with new tech, micro chipping people with ID tags.

Companies have even pitched how our invasion of privacy is beneficial to our safety and have used this scenario as how our loss of privacy can ultimately be our protector. [Paraphrasing] "Imagine if our technology were embedded in every home. If our technology were monitoring your family and it realized your daughter was not home from school at her normal time? What if she had been abducted on here way home? Our technology could notify police that she was at "x" house with "X" person potentially saving her life and well being "

Does anyone believe that if we allow the private sector to invade our daily lives so thoroughly that the government wont wont have its nose in it as well?


My point being is our privacy is under threat from all sides and if we continue to allow its erosion it is only a matter of time and technology before the government will know where we are, what we are doing, and who we are with at all times.
 
joG said:
The Apple case aside this is sort of too important to work everything out over one. It is good though that the contestant is a grown up.
I think we need think about what data should be protected, when not, how to control the ones with access etc.
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Meanwhile, apple is working on a brand new device, that will be impossible to download data from, except by the owner of the device. I like that idea.

clownboy said:
https://www.rt.com/usa/320671-iphone-hack-nsa-surveillance/

This was November last year.
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We shall see...

Grand Mal said:
I expect soon someone here with 'conservative' where it says 'Lean' to ask, "What are you worried about if you have nothing to hide?"
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Everyone has things to hide. If they don't know that by now, or don't care.......I feel sorry for them. :screwy

Abbazorkzog said:
The villain in the FBI vs. Apple fight is the CIA.

CIA Director John Brennan Backs FBI in Apple Privacy Debate

At least the FBI isn't calling for an abomination the likes of which Brennan wants to Frankenstein.

If the FBI wins, the CIA becomes the Neo-Fiat Schutzenstaffel.
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You Got It! :applaud

Lachean said:
It has? Oh okay then lets all just bend over.
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That's what they are teaching them in the Universities now........Big Brother is your god....Bend Over for Big Brother and allow yourself to be corn holed!!
 
Baralis said:
Our privacy is literally tittering on the brink and not just from the government but also from the private sector. Several corporations such as Google are working on "smart" environments where almost everything that we do can be monitored from how much coffee we consume to how many hours we sleep all being monitored by smart technology that they wish to integrate into all of our everyday products. Their vision is to have almost everything we use come equipped with a microchip and censors that monitor our daily consumption and habits. Their pitch is it would allow them to better tailor services and products based on user needs. Think windows 10 and its increased user statistics being sent back to Microsoft, that is just the tip of the iceberg on what these companies wish to ultimately accomplish. While this may appeal to many consumers who wish to make their lives a little easier or more convenient it has a profound impact on our privacy.

As most people are aware we have been micro-chipping pets for some years now with owner address and health conditions in case a pet is lost. I think most of us can agree that this is a beneficial service however were you aware that companies are now taking volunteer humans and implementing the same microchip technology? When I was a child the local authorities promoted an old tech approach to help insure child safety. My mother had my finger prints taken and put on file in case I were to ever be lost or abducted or killed as a means that I could be identified. Today some companies are promoting the same idea with new tech, micro chipping people with ID tags.

Companies have even pitched how our invasion of privacy is beneficial to our safety and have used this scenario as how our loss of privacy can ultimately be our protector. [Paraphrasing] "Imagine if our technology were embedded in every home. If our technology were monitoring your family and it realized your daughter was not home from school at her normal time? What if she had been abducted on here way home? Our technology could notify police that she was at "x" house with "X" person potentially saving her life and well being "

Does anyone believe that if we allow the private sector to invade our daily lives so thoroughly that the government wont wont have its nose in it as well?


My point being is our privacy is under threat from all sides and if we continue to allow its erosion it is only a matter of time and technology before the government will know where we are, what we are doing, and who we are with at all times.
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Absolutely!
That is why I am distancing myself a little at a time from Big Brother. Running my own business, won't allow me to be totally off the grid...but I am working toward that end.
I know folks here will really miss me, but someday, I'll be gone.
 
Baralis said:
Our privacy is literally tittering on the brink and not just from the government but also from the private sector. Several corporations such as Google are working on "smart" environments where almost everything that we do can be monitored from how much coffee we consume to how many hours we sleep all being monitored by smart technology that they wish to integrate into all of our everyday products. Their vision is to have almost everything we use come equipped with a microchip and censors that monitor our daily consumption and habits. Their pitch is it would allow them to better tailor services and products based on user needs. Think windows 10 and its increased user statistics being sent back to Microsoft, that is just the tip of the iceberg on what these companies wish to ultimately accomplish. While this may appeal to many consumers who wish to make their lives a little easier or more convenient it has a profound impact on our privacy.

As most people are aware we have been micro-chipping pets for some years now with owner address and health conditions in case a pet is lost. I think most of us can agree that this is a beneficial service however were you aware that companies are now taking volunteer humans and implementing the same microchip technology? When I was a child the local authorities promoted an old tech approach to help insure child safety. My mother had my finger prints taken and put on file in case I were to ever be lost or abducted or killed as a means that I could be identified. Today some companies are promoting the same idea with new tech, micro chipping people with ID tags.

Companies have even pitched how our invasion of privacy is beneficial to our safety and have used this scenario as how our loss of privacy can ultimately be our protector. [Paraphrasing] "Imagine if our technology were embedded in every home. If our technology were monitoring your family and it realized your daughter was not home from school at her normal time? What if she had been abducted on here way home? Our technology could notify police that she was at "x" house with "X" person potentially saving her life and well being "

Does anyone believe that if we allow the private sector to invade our daily lives so thoroughly that the government wont wont have its nose in it as well?


My point being is our privacy is under threat from all sides and if we continue to allow its erosion it is only a matter of time and technology before the government will know where we are, what we are doing, and who we are with at all times.
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If you have a smart phone, the government already does know where you are and what you are doing. Some software program somewhere is recording all that metadata.
 
If the FBI can't do that itself then that is their problem... but the USA is already a semi-police state so...
 
Thoreau72 said:
If you have a smart phone, the government already does know where you are and what you are doing. Some software program somewhere is recording all that metadata.
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Your rough location is just as accessible from cell tower data, if you have a non-smartphone.
 
Mr Person said:
Your rough location is just as accessible from cell tower data, if you have a non-smartphone.
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True, but your spending habits are not. They don't know when you walk into a certain store.
 
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