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Do you support Apple's decision to fight the FBI demand?

Do you support Apple's decision to fight the FBI demand?

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I'm still kind of up in the air over this one. I'm leaning towards a dumb and dumber response as of now. From what I understand, Apple is saying that they don't want to make it look like their phones aren't secure, so they're refusing to cooperate and show unequivocally that there is a "back door" into their phones. If this was truly the case, then I would think that their response should have been "Sorry, we'd like to help you, but there's no way we know of to do that." By taking the approach that they are using, it looks to me like there most certainly is a "back door" and that Apple just doesn't want to "officially" admit to it. This whole thing should have been handled as quietly as possible by both sides (I'm not sure who it was that made the request public) and things woudl have worked out much better for both parties. I do think that the gov't shouldn't have the authority to force Apple to do this without a court order and a clear plan for protecting Apple's financial interests, since this exposes them to substantial potential for financial harm.
 
Yes, I support it. We are making a monumental mistake when the government appeals to a product manufacture to break into the product after the sale.
 
Do you support Apple's decision to fight the FBI demand?

I detest Apple and almost everything about them, but I support them on this one.

If it was done under a search warrant issued by a judge, and they could do it in a way that didn't teach the FBI how to do it to others, and nothing other than the information listed in the warrant was removed from the phone, then maybe I would support it so they could see if the guy had accomplices that could still be out there and planning part two right now. But, I do not support the government requiring Apple or any other tech company putting in "backdoors" into their tech. There's no such thing as a backdoor. Any door is a front door for anyone to come through. Plus, I don't trust the US government to not infringe on my privacy any more than I trust the Chinese or Russians or hackers trying to get into my bank account.

The Fourth Amendment still exists.
 
If the NSA can already monitor all traffic, how come they don't know already?

I did find it interesting that one can erase their phone by putting in the wrong passcode 10 times in a row. Guess the 'terrorists' didn't have time.

Also, this was a work phone which, the county has given permission to search and really shouldn't have any secrets on it.
 
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Good for Apple. I am not much of a fan of their products, but this is a level of stones I think many other companies probably lack.

There is absolutely no need for this in order to solve and convict the case at hand, and what they are asking for is a sweeping back door that could be used to compromise any citizen's privacy to an extreme level.

I really respect that they're actually standing up to this.
 
I don't think "reasonable technical assistance" is too much to ask and a national security role.
 
Good for Apple. I am not much of a fan of their products, but this is a level of stones I think many other companies probably lack.

There is absolutely no need for this in order to solve and convict the case at hand, and what they are asking for is a sweeping back door that could be used to compromise any citizen's privacy to an extreme level.

I really respect that they're actually standing up to this.

SAM, this isn't Tim Cook's first rodeo with the government...however...in relationship to this thread.

February 16, 2016

A Message to Our Customers

The United States government has demanded that Apple take an unprecedented step which threatens the security of our customers. We oppose this order, which has implications far beyond the legal case at hand.

READ MORE ...

Customer Letter - Apple
 
Good for Apple. I am not much of a fan of their products, but this is a level of stones I think many other companies probably lack.

There is absolutely no need for this in order to solve and convict the case at hand, and what they are asking for is a sweeping back door that could be used to compromise any citizen's privacy to an extreme level.

I really respect that they're actually standing up to this.

There isnt a company in America that would comply with this, the FBI doesnt just want Apple to let them into their phones they want Apple to create a way that doesnt already exist to get them into their phones.
 
I don't think "reasonable technical assistance" is too much to ask and a national security role.

I dont think what the FBI is asking in this case is "reasonable technical assistance" though
 
I don't think "reasonable technical assistance" is too much to ask and a national security role.

They are asking them to invent technology that does not exist in order to hack the phones... that is not reasonable technical assistance.
 
Yes, I support it. We are making a monumental mistake when the government appeals to a product manufacture to break into the product after the sale.

Worse... the government is mandating that a private company assist in a government exercise.
 
They are asking them to invent technology that does not exist in order to hack the phones... that is not reasonable technical assistance.

That's what the judge ordered. And I don't believe either Apple or the FedGov.
 
Do you support Apple's decision to fight the FBI demand?

I detest Apple and almost everything about them, but I support them on this one.

The FBI doesn't care about Apple's bottom line. If I were Apple I would fight this with a team of the best attorneys money could buy.
 
Do you support Apple's decision to fight the FBI demand?

I detest Apple and almost everything about them, but I support them on this one.

Ditto!

From a LE point of view, I get it. But, this government isn't the Third Reich.
 
If it was done under a search warrant issued by a judge, and they could do it in a way that didn't teach the FBI how to do it to others, and nothing other than the information listed in the warrant was removed from the phone, then maybe I would support it so they could see if the guy had accomplices that could still be out there and planning part two right now. But, I do not support the government requiring Apple or any other tech company putting in "backdoors" into their tech. There's no such thing as a backdoor. Any door is a front door for anyone to come through. Plus, I don't trust the US government to not infringe on my privacy any more than I trust the Chinese or Russians or hackers trying to get into my bank account.

The Fourth Amendment still exists.

Fully Agree!
 
I don't think "reasonable technical assistance" is too much to ask and a national security role.

There is nothing reasonable about the FBI request....it's against the law!
 
That's what the judge ordered.

Ya..................so?

They are asking them to invent technology that does not exist in order to hack the phones... that is not reasonable technical assistance.

Correct!

Worse... the government is mandating that a private company assist in a government exercise.

Yep!

The FBI doesn't care about Apple's bottom line. If I were Apple I would fight this with a team of the best attorneys money could buy.

They already are...you can bet on it.

Furthermore, Microsoft and other companies, are backing their play!
 
Do you support Apple's decision to fight the FBI demand?

I detest Apple and almost everything about them, but I support them on this one.

I support Apple on this.I hate their proprietary BS(Although I think their lightning plug in should be the standard for all electronic devices that require charging). It is not Apple or any other company's job to make it easy for the government to crack the security on their products they make.If the government wants in that bad then they will keep finding experts to try to crack the devices.
 
The reporting on this story has been horrible.

Depending on which news source you listen to, it's either reported as the FBI wants Apple to do what Apple has previously done to 70 iPhones already, to the FBI is demanding that Apple merely disable the security data wipe, to the FBI demanding that Apple has to reverse the data encryption (which is mathematically next to impossible), to the FBI demanding a back door from Apple such that they can crack open all the iPhones.

If it's the same procedure that Apple has done to 70 other phones, they should do it, precedence has been set.

If it's come up with a way to decrypt the encrypted data without the keys, Apple should tell the FBI to get stuffed.

If it's demanding the Apple put a back door in for all the phones, FBI, get stuffed.

So which is it already? This is important as it complete changes the situation.
 
The reporting on this story has been horrible.

Depending on which news source you listen to, it's either reported as the FBI wants Apple to do what Apple has previously done to 70 iPhones already, to the FBI is demanding that Apple merely disable the security data wipe, to the FBI demanding that Apple has to reverse the data encryption (which is mathematically next to impossible), to the FBI demanding a back door from Apple such that they can crack open all the iPhones.

If it's the same procedure that Apple has done to 70 other phones, they should do it, precedence has been set.

If it's come up with a way to decrypt the encrypted data without the keys, Apple should tell the FBI to get stuffed.

If it's demanding the Apple put a back door in for all the phones, FBI, get stuffed.

So which is it already? This is important as it complete changes the situation.

You are absolutely correct that they are spinning this story BIGTIME.

I say that makes sense, because the predicate act for this story--the SB shootings--was also spun from the very beginning, from the moment Scott Pelley candidly displayed cognitive dissonance, and the subsequent behavior of his superiors in utterly disregarding certain eye witness statements.
 
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