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FI Shoot of Lavoy Finicum released

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Well, here it is.

LaVoy stopped the truck, pondered things for a while, and then decided to run. He tried to go around a roadblock and got stuck in the snowbank. He then got out of the vehicle with his arms up.

I can't really tell what happened from there. It sure looks like he took a shot to his left side and stumbled around for a second before he reached and the FBI finished the job. It's possible that he stumbled that the FBI shooter took it as making a move. The video is bouncing around too much to really tell for sure but it damned sure looks like he was in the process of surrendering when he got shot.

Anyway, this all goes back to something I was saying in another thread, don't make the cops chase you and don't mouth off to the cops and your odds of surviving the encounter go way up.

Somehow or other I don't think this guy is going to get the same level of sympathy as Mike Brown or Eric Garner did.
 


Well, here it is.

LaVoy stopped the truck, pondered things for a while, and then decided to run. He tried to go around a roadblock and got stuck in the snowbank. He then got out of the vehicle with his arms up.

I can't really tell what happened from there. It sure looks like he took a shot to his left side and stumbled around for a second before he reached and the FBI finished the job. It's possible that he stumbled that the FBI shooter took it as making a move. The video is bouncing around too much to really tell for sure but it damned sure looks like he was in the process of surrendering when he got shot.

Anyway, this all goes back to something I was saying in another thread, don't make the cops chase you and don't mouth off to the cops and your odds of surviving the encounter go way up.

Somehow or other I don't think this guy is going to get the same level of sympathy as Mike Brown or Eric Garner did.


And I see him reaching into his coat with his left hand, 3 times before being shot. Do that and what will an LEO think, reaching for a weapon
 
And I see him reaching into his coat with his left hand, 3 times before being shot. Do that and what will an LEO think, reaching for a weapon

Its time to empty a magazine?
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1065514608 said:
Its time to empty a magazine?

How many times was he shot?
 


Well, here it is.

LaVoy stopped the truck, pondered things for a while, and then decided to run. He tried to go around a roadblock and got stuck in the snowbank. He then got out of the vehicle with his arms up.

I can't really tell what happened from there. It sure looks like he took a shot to his left side and stumbled around for a second before he reached and the FBI finished the job. It's possible that he stumbled that the FBI shooter took it as making a move. The video is bouncing around too much to really tell for sure but it damned sure looks like he was in the process of surrendering when he got shot.

Anyway, this all goes back to something I was saying in another thread, don't make the cops chase you and don't mouth off to the cops and your odds of surviving the encounter go way up.

Somehow or other I don't think this guy is going to get the same level of sympathy as Mike Brown or Eric Garner did.


I saw this video yesterday on LiveLeak and they also showed a video of Finicum the day before being interviewed. One thing I noticed in the video from the previous day, is that he carried a firearm in a shoulder holster under his left arm. I also noticed in the helicopter video that before he goes down he seems to be reaching under his left arm.


What I cannot tell is whether he was shot prior to reaching under his left arm, or was he just loosing his balance and stumbling a little.

The video I watched was synchronized with a telephone interview of one of the two women that were in the truck, that was recorded that night within a couple hours of the incident. Her description MATCHED everything the video showed, and put a narrative out there that explained what was happening when, such as that when they were originally stopped, one of the males in the truck put his hands and head out of the truck to tell the cops that they were on there way to meet with the Sheriff at a meeting of local residents to discuss a peaceful end to the standoff, when one of the officers took a couple shots at the truck and that's when Finicum hit the accelerator and took off. SHe also said that as soon as the truck stopped in the snowbank that Finicum got out with his hands up and started yelling at the cops that if they were going to kill him to go ahead and shoot (not a good thing to say), but that they were not going to shoot back, and that they were on their way to meet the Sheriff. She also said that the others were laying in the floorboard of the truck and that the FBI was shooting at the truck and that is when and how the other guy got shot in the arm. She said that the windows of the truck were shot out on one side only, I think it was the right side. SHe also said that the shot that killed Finicum came from the woods to the left of the truck.

Took a few minutes, but I found the video: LiveLeak.com - Government Assassination of Oregon Protest Leader

Anyway, she put a unique view on what she said had happened, at least from her perspective. In a tense moment like that, who knows what the police actually heard Finicum say (or thought he was saying). I sure could have looked to them like the beginning of a suicide by cop.

Here's a couple videos that have been zoomed in and slowed down to show what in one seriously looks like suicide by cop to me: LiveLeak.com - Slow motion footage of LaVoy Finicum plowing into state trooper and then reaching for gun

Don't want to get shot and killed? DO what you're told by the cops when they pull you over, and don't reach for anything or yell at them to "shoot."
 
And I see him reaching into his coat with his left hand, 3 times before being shot. Do that and what will an LEO think, reaching for a weapon

My error- Right hand to his left side.
 
And I see him reaching into his coat with his left hand, 3 times before being shot. Do that and what will an LEO think, reaching for a weapon

Out of curiosity, are you thinking that the first guy to shoot Finicum was the one coming from screen left? I'm sure that's where the fatal shot came from but it sure looks like Finicum was reacting to something, quite possibly a gunshot, from the blue pickup at screen right. In fact, based on everyone's reaction, it looks like the most likely scenario is that the guy directly in front of the pickup slipped and AD'd which is why he started running away from the action while everyone else was moving toward it.
 
Out of curiosity, are you thinking that the first guy to shoot Finicum was the one coming from screen left? I'm sure that's where the fatal shot came from but it sure looks like Finicum was reacting to something, quite possibly a gunshot, from the blue pickup at screen right. In fact, based on everyone's reaction, it looks like the most likely scenario is that the guy directly in front of the pickup slipped and AD'd which is why he started running away from the action while everyone else was moving toward it.
Will look later
 
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:screwy



:coffeepap
 
.....The video is bouncing around too much to really tell for sure but it damned sure looks like he was in the process of surrendering when he got shot.....

Surrendering :thinking



More like he tried keeping his back to the police, so that he could conceal his attemt to unholster his weapon.
 
Reaching for the gun he had on him. He escaped one roadblock and tried to escape this one, but snow drift stopped him. Then he ran out of the truck...

It all equals dead militant.
 
Surrendering :thinking



More like he tried keeping his back to the police, so that he could conceal his attemt to unholster his weapon.

I'm looking at the FBI video, not something cobbled together from who knows where. The video you linked to skips several seconds and then focuses on what can definitely be determined to be the kill shot.

If you stop the FBI video at the 9:16 mark and then advance frame by frame you'll see what may well be a different scenario.

9:16 - Finicum hits the snowbank while trying to go around the roadblock. There are at least two FBI guys behind the silver pickup with the headlights on at screen right and what appears to be one more behind the blue pickup at screen left. The latter guy jumps into the path of Finicum's truck.

At that point the camera leaves the scene, refocuses on an approaching chase vehicle and we get back to Finicum at 9:20. Finicum can be seen exiting the truck and the FBI guy in the brown jacket is on the ground directly behind the blue pickip and at the right, rear corner of Finicum's truck. Advancing frame by frame from there we see the shot get a little out of focus but at 9:21 Finicum is definitely out of the truck. His hands go up immediately.

Through 9:25 Finicum's hands are up. The guys that were behind the silver pickup have moved across the road. One is now at the rear passenger side of the blue pickup and the other is in front of the white truck in the middle of the road. The guy in the brown jacket has moved to the rear bumper of the blue pickup. From here I'm going to refer to the guys by position. Position 1 is the guy with the blue jacket at the passenger side rear tire of the blue pickup. Position 2 is the guy in the brown jacket at the bumper behind the blue pickup. Position 3 is the guy in the grey jacket in front of the white truck in the middle of the road and Position 4 isn't in view but he's the guy that comes out of the woods screen left later on.

We are at 9:25. P1 is standing and has his weapon drawn on Finicum (F). P2 is crouched behind the blue truck. P3 is standing at the passenger side front fender of the white truck in the middle of the road. F is standing roughly 6' outside the drivers side door of his truck with his hands up. He is moving parallel to the road and away from his vehicle to the rear of it. You can advance a few frames and not much changes but at 9:26 the focus changes then comes back a second later.

At 9:26 P1 has moved a step farther back toward the front of the blue truck and P2 has stood up. In the next couple of frames P1 begins to move away from the truck and toward F's front. F still has his hands up. At this point F's hands drop but he isn't reaching. P2 has turned and is running back toward the middle of the truck in the middle of the road. P3 has moved to a defensive position behind the cab of the blue truck and may be lined up on F (It's hard to tell because the colors blend together and the focus isn't great).

In the 9:28 segment F appears to be skidding to a stop. His arms are out to each side with forearms turned down. P2 is obviously heading for cover which may be an indication that a shot was fired.

In the next several frames F's right hand comes down to his left side and he appears to double over slightly. F's has turned slightly toward the trucks and P1 has moved into the snow by 10' or so putting him roughly in front of F. This series is indicative of F being shot and reacting to the impact. P2 has a pistol in his right hand and he may well have AD'd striking F.

By 9:30 F has his left arm up and his head turned to his truck. He appears to be yelling at someone in his truck. His right hand is still at his side but he doesn't appear to be going for a weapon.

At 9:31 me makes a move to his waist with both hands and at 9:32 he is definitely going for a gun. P4 has also emerged from the woods more or less behind F. At 9:33 P4 takes the shot that puts F down.


Based on the totality of the events I don't think the FBI acted unlawfully during the takedown but I do believe that they shot first and did so, intentionally or not, while F was "hands free".

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Almost forgot, here is the video I was citing
 
So you are going from "sure looks like he was in the process of surrendering when he got shot"

.....sure looks like he was in the process of surrendering when he got shot......

To "he is definitely going for a gun"

.....he is definitely going for a gun.......

:lamo

....the guy directly in front of the pickup slipped....

No, not even close, he didn't slip, he was knocked down by the speeding truck and/or flying snow.

Your judgement seems unclear at best. :screwy
 
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So you are going from "sure looks like he was in the process of surrendering when he got shot"



To "he is definitely going for a gun"



:lamo



No, not even close, he didn't slip, he was knocked down by the speeding truck and/or flying snow.

Your judgement seems unclear at best. :screwy

That's what you got out of that analysis? Guess I wasted my time.
 
I watched the entire raw footage a couple days ago and I swear I could see a gun in LaVoy's left hand and waving it after he jumped out of the truck. Then he starts to reach into his jacket with his right hand and as he does, he turns to see the guy behind him and is shot.

News reports say that Ryan Bundy was also shot and wounded. Was he shot by the cop that leaped toward the truck as it drove into the snowbank?
 
Looks like Mr Finicum won't spend any time behind bars,eh?

But he will spend a long time looking at the grass from the Brown side.

He made his choice.
 


Apparently a video was taken from inside the vehicle.



:coffeepap
 


Apparently a video was taken from inside the vehicle.



:coffeepap


That second video shows that the cops shot first. Lavoy wasn't even past that window yet which was way before he "went for his gun" yet the cops are shooting. A case could prolly be made that if Lavoy did reach for his gun it was in self defense.
 
.....A case could prolly be made that if Lavoy did reach for his gun it was in self defense.

Don't forget, he fled the initial stop where he could have easily surrendered peacefully.

 
Don't forget, he fled the initial stop where he could have easily surrendered peacefully.



I didn't forget it. You watch a cop car chase and as soon as the cops finally get the car stopped do they shoot before the person even has a chance to surrender peacefully? They shot at Lavoy the second he stepped out of that truck, with arms raised. Missed the first time, but still shot at him. I suppose they could have been shooting at Bundy in the back seat there, but he had no gun in his hands either so still no call to shoot. All in all there was no call for those initial shots. Indeed I wouldn't even say that the tear gas or whatever it was that they used to cause all that smoke in the pickup was appropriate since the cops hadn't hollered at them to come out until after it was used. And you could hear them quite clearly once they did start telling them to come out. And why were they shooting at the pickup even after Lavoy was dead?

Frankly due to that second video I think that some law suit is going to happen and it might win. But even if it doesn't that video is enough to cause some serious doubts in some peoples minds. I wish it hadn't gone down like that. I don't care that Lavoy was shot, he was an unmitigated ass that probably deserved it from a certain point of view. But this is just going to cause more problems than there already are.

I don't know, maybe I'm missing something. I sure hope I am because that second video is kinda damning.
 
I don't know why the FBI bothered. Like the moon landing nonsense, anti-government conspiracists will read their agenda into it. They see things as they perceive them, not as they are.
 
Don't want to get shot and killed? DO what you're told by the cops when they pull you over, and don't reach for anything or yell at them to "shoot."

That is a good code to live by. Simple and black and white.

We seem to have an abundance of idiots walking around such as the one who just shot the pastor in the back in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho. With that said, LEO can't afford to assume someone who is refusing orders to be just removing a roll of Lifesavers out of his coat. I think like we are all taught to assume every gun is loaded , cops have to assume everyone they pull over has a loaded gun on him.
 
Don't forget, he fled the initial stop where he could have easily surrendered peacefully.





Holy ****..... keep shooting at women and children in a truck who are not shooting back, pleading for them to stop shooting?


Who's the terrorists again?


Holy ****.... This new video changes everything for me.
 
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