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Clinton’s Emails: A Criminal Charge Is Justified

shrubnose said:
Get some ear plugs or you'll be hearing her from the White House for 8 years starting next January.

Wait and see.

:lol:
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Yes, I am afraid that might happen. But for the life of me, I cannot understand why.
 
I predict indictment, trial, and pardon. Otherwise it remains open so long as statute of limitations will allow. Hillary needs a lock on this, she can't risk facing a GOP DOJ.
 
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ludin said:
there is a general currently in more hot water for less of a breach than
what Clinton has done.
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Not exactly. The general disclosed top secret information to his journalist girl friend. Hillary sent and received unclassified emails to and from government employees in her official capacity, some of which became classified after the fact.
 
JackA said:
Not exactly. The general disclosed top secret information to his journalist girl friend. Hillary sent and received unclassified emails to and from government employees in her official capacity, some of which became classified after the fact.
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through an unsecure server to people that were not supposed to view it.
violating a law signed by Obama ealier that any and all emails would be sent through the government email server.

you can't defend this.

not only this but now her lawyer etc who has no security clearance has seen some or all of these emails
and yet that is a violation.

she broke the law and she has broken top secret classified laws no matter how much you want to try and spend it.
 
ludin said:
she broke the law and she has broken top secret classified laws no matter how much you want to try and spend it.
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Stating a fact is not spinning that fact. So far it has not been shown she broke any law.
 
JackA said:
Stating a fact is not spinning that fact. So far it has not been shown she broke any law.
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that is an opinion she has broken the law signed by Obama.
they have countless emails that were classified that she sent through a personal email server.
they also have emails that she sent through there that were supposed to go through because they were
work emails that should have gone through her .gov address.

from all reports she was told countless times what she was doing was not legal and that she needed to stop.
as typical though you give a myopic pass to a criminal because they are a democrat
and we all know that they are above the laws that they want everyone else to follow.

the liberal hypocrisy is amazing.
at this point you will do nothing but repeat yourself regardless of the countless amounts of evidence against
her so have a nice day.
 
ludin said:
that is an opinion she has broken the law signed by Obama.
they have countless emails that were classified that she sent through a personal email server.
they also have emails that she sent through there that were supposed to go through because they were
work emails that should have gone through her .gov address.

from all reports she was told countless times what she was doing was not legal and that she needed to stop.
as typical though you give a myopic pass to a criminal because they are a democrat
and we all know that they are above the laws that they want everyone else to follow.

the liberal hypocrisy is amazing.
at this point you will do nothing but repeat yourself regardless of the countless amounts of evidence against
her so have a nice day.
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If facts mattered here I would suggest googling, "fact check Hillary emails broke law", but I'm not suggesting it.
 
ludin said:
The FBI at this point with all we know has to file charges against her.
there is no getting around it and more and more is coming out every day
what exactly was on her server.

there is a general currently in more hot water for less of a breach than
what Clinton has done.
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The FBI wouldn't have the authority to press charges in this case, as much as I wish they did. It would have to be the DOJ (Lynch and her bunch). She takes her orders from Obama. As to whether there were charges I don't know, I hope so but I am not going to bet on it.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Amazing that so many people who think the Republicans would win in a walk-over if Hillary Clinton were the Democratic Party candidate...and who want the Republican Party to win...

...are doing so much to destroy Hillary Clinton before the nomination process.

Wouldn't ya think they would wait until after she is nominated to do the piling on?

Wonder what that is about?
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To a lot of us it isn't about her political affiliation. If she was a conservative I would feel the same about her.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
We can already see what the FBI does - it waits (delays?). The FBI does not need anything that it now lacks. The FBI need not know how many classified emails were mishandled any more than it would need to know how many more banks that a given bank robber has robbed. Whether Hillary faces one, ten or twenty counts makes no difference. The DOJ knows now that Hillary used a private server to contain classified data and that Hillary shared that server's content with uncleared personnel - that was established by her own admission.

The Hillary "defense" is that she did not know what information was classified "at that time", yet knowing what is classified is not required - she must know that the subject, data or source was not classified in order to legally place it on an unsecured site or to share it with uncleared personnel. The fact that she never used a secured email account virtually assures us that she made no attempt to treat classified data differently. Hillary also did not know that she was photographed, video taped and recorded standing around smiling with her daughter when she claimed to have been rushing for cover under sniper fire. What Hillary knew, or thought that she knew, has no bearing on what she actually did concerning the handling of classified data.
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The FBI has 150 agents working on this. It is literally mountains of information to sift through. They have multiple investigations that interlink. That is a lot of work and communication. Instant gratification would be great but it isn't possible.
 
JackA said:
Not exactly. The general disclosed top secret information to his journalist girl friend. Hillary sent and received unclassified emails to and from government employees in her official capacity, some of which became classified after the fact.
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You aren't keeping up. You are about two months behind.
 
cpwill said:
They are correct.

It is also correct that no charges will be made. The DoJ isn't interested in indicting the lead Democrat nominee. Hillary could literally murder a child on live national television, and her supporters would insist that all was well.
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I'm not sure I agree with your example. Is the child a minority?
 
NonoBadDog said:
The FBI wouldn't have the authority to press charges in this case, as much as I wish they did. It would have to be the DOJ (Lynch and her bunch). She takes her orders from Obama. As to whether there were charges I don't know, I hope so but I am not going to bet on it.
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They can charge her but it will be up to the DOJ to prosecute. if the DOJ doesn't follow up on the charges then that
needs to trigger a congressional hearing in which she should be asked to step down.

Obama has a way of appointing the crappiest people to the most important posts.
the senate hearing committee skewed this lady on Obama's unconstitutional gun law change.

she is nothing be a political hack. how the senate confirmed her I have no idea.
 
ludin said:
The FBI at this point with all we know has to file charges against her.
there is no getting around it and more and more is coming out every day
what exactly was on her server.

there is a general currently in more hot water for less of a breach than
what Clinton has done.
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The FBI does not have authority to file charges against her. That would take a grand jury, which in turn would take the Justice Dept. But Ms. Lynch is as unethical as the damned liar she serves, and he will not do anything that would harm Mrs. Clinton's chances unless he's forced to. What the FBI may be able to do is build a case against her that is so damning B. Hussein Obama will feel he has no choice but to tell the Justice Dept. to pursue it. I am sure he would sell her out if he thought it was necessary to keep him from looking like a crook himself.
 
CycloneWanderer said:
I'm not sure I agree with your example. Is the child a minority?
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An excellent point. A white child, and her supporters don't care. A minority child, and you'll see some defections to Bernie, but her positives among Democrat voters won't change.
 
matchlight said:
The FBI does not have authority to file charges against her. That would take a grand jury, which in turn would take the Justice Dept. But Ms. Lynch is as unethical as the damned liar she serves, and he will not do anything that would harm Mrs. Clinton's chances unless he's forced to. What the FBI may be able to do is build a case against her that is so damning B. Hussein Obama will feel he has no choice but to tell the Justice Dept. to pursue it. I am sure he would sell her out if he thought it was necessary to keep him from looking like a crook himself.
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I struggle to think of such material that could exist that would get this administration to choose to lose their Party's best chance at the White House merely to enforce the law.
 
JackA said:
Stating a fact is not spinning that fact. So far it has not been shown she broke any law.
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Actually it's been shown that she did so a minimum of 1,340 times. The defense that she has left at this point is that it was accidental....

....except that we also have the emails of her ordering subordinates to do so.
 
cpwill said:
Actually it's been shown that she did so a minimum of 1,340 times. The defense that she has left at this point is that it was accidental....

....except that we also have the emails of her ordering subordinates to do so.
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She did what so? Her subordinates were ordered to do what so? And please specify the law(s) violated.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Amazing that so many people who think the Republicans would win in a walk-over if Hillary Clinton were the Democratic Party candidate...and who want the Republican Party to win...

...are doing so much to destroy Hillary Clinton before the nomination process.

Wouldn't ya think they would wait until after she is nominated to do the piling on?

Wonder what that is about?
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Yep, none of this is Hillary's fault. She shouldn't be held responsible because the mean Republicans say she should.
 
Fenton said:
Yep, none of this is Hillary's fault. She shouldn't be held responsible because the mean Republicans say she should.
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You don't mean "mean". You mean easily swayed into partisan delusion.
 
JackA said:
She did what so? Her subordinates were ordered to do what so? And please specify the law(s) violated.
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Happy to do so

Violation of the Espionage Act
Violation of the Communications Intelligence Act
Violation of Non-Disclosure Agreement
Obstruction of Justice

Or, if you need some of the actual statutory language, for example:

18 U.S. Code § 793

(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense,

(1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or

(2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both....​


18 U.S. Code § 798

(a) Whoever knowingly and willfully communicates, furnishes, transmits, or otherwise makes available to an unauthorized person, or publishes, or uses in any manner prejudicial to the safety or interest of the United States or for the benefit of any foreign government to the detriment of the United States any classified information—
(1)
concerning the nature, preparation, or use of any code, cipher, or cryptographic system of the United States or any foreign government; or

(2)
concerning the design, construction, use, maintenance, or repair of any device, apparatus, or appliance used or prepared or planned for use by the United States or any foreign government for cryptographic or communication intelligence purposes; or

(3)
concerning the communication intelligence activities of the United States or any foreign government; or

(4)
obtained by the processes of communication intelligence from the communications of any foreign government, knowing the same to have been obtained by such processes—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both....​


18 U.S. Code § 1924

(a) Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.

(b) For purposes of this section, the provision of documents and materials to the Congress shall not constitute an offense under subsection (a).

(c) In this section, the term “classified information of the United States” means information originated, owned, or possessed by the United States Government concerning the national defense or foreign relations of the United States that has been determined pursuant to law or Executive order to require protection against unauthorized disclosure in the interests of national security....

​


Etc., so on and so forth. At last count (the number is still growing) the number of classified documents we have found stored on Hillary's private, unsecured, unclassified server was 1,340, although it will likely continue to grow from there. We have heard (though it hasn't been confirmed) that the FBI is expanding the investigation to cover both 18 U.S. Code § 1001, and it is being reported that the investigation has expanded to cover down on public corruption via the Clinton Foundation (apparently the FBI found some very interesting material in some of those emails). We additionally have her in writing ordering her subordinates to illegally bump classified information down to unsecured and unclassified networks, which is a federal crime.
 
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The thing is...none of them were classified when sent or when received. One element of an illegal act is that the act be illegal at the time it is committed. May sound like nitpicking, I know.
 
JackA said:
The thing is...none of them were classified when sent or when received. One element of an illegal act is that the act be illegal at the time it is committed. May sound like nitpicking, I know.
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You can't simply strip off the headers and send "nonsecure", declassification is a process. she failed to honor that process in violation of the law.
 
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