Making a murder: a documentary of grave injustice that will make you scream murder!

On December 18th Netflix released a new documentary 10 part series that was filmed over the course of ten years about the plight of a Wiscnsin man, Steven Avery, and his mentally slow nephew, Brendan Dassey.

The episode began with Avery's home coming upon his release from prison in 2003. He was exonerated from his 1985 sexual assault conviction, for which he had served 18 years for a crime someone else did, after DNA analysis pointed to another man.

Despite a complete lack of forensic evidence and no proof he was even near the crime scene but another man (a sexual predator under surveillance but wasn't watched on that day) who fit the description and had the opportunity, it didn't matter to the Manitowoc County sheriffs. The sheriffs involved in the case were hell bent on pinning the crime on Avery for their longstanding dislike of the Avery family which they deemed as evil and should be driven out of town.

When the neighboring Brown County investigator made a call to tell the Manitowoc County Sheriff's office that they had the wrong man in prison because another man held in Brown County had admitted to the crime, the Manitowoc sheriff simply dismissed it by saying they had the right man in prison. The Manitowoc sheriff's Dept subsequently kept that information to themselves. The report was only made for record purpose the day Avery was exonerated.

A year after his release from prison, Avery subsequently filed a $36 million federal lawsuit not only against Manitowoc County but also individually against the sheriffs involved in the wrongful conviction. Since this was a case regarding official misconduct, the County and the former sheriffs would be on their own to bear the financial fall because the insurance had denied liability. Their depositions were subsequently conducted on Oct 13 and Oct 26, 2005.

But, lo and behold, five days later, on Oct 31 (Halloween day), Theresa Halbach went missing. While the Manitowoc County sheriff's dept were put in the hot seat in the depostion, all of a sudden the tide turned and Avery once again found himself under investigation by the same group of corrupt sheriffs who had put him away in prison for 18 years with wrongful conviction and were now facing a dire and desastrous civil lawsuit.

The coincidence smells so fishy to me once I watched up to this point. After watching further into the documentary series, it confirmed my haunch that these same corrupt sheriffs were at it again. But, get this, one of the senior sheriffs on camera during a press interview told the reporter that it would be easier for them to kill Avery than to plant evidence to frame him. So, murdering someone is much easier for the sheriffs? To think they could even harbor that kind of thought and express it publicly in the position of law enforement official. That's scary!

They not only planted evidence to frame Avery (it's so glaringly obvious) but in order to ensure Avery's conviction they also did the most despicable and disgusting deed of taking advantage of a mentally slow 16 year old kid whose vocab consisted mostly of slow slurring "yeah", "well", "yeah", "well","NOooo", "I don't know", "I'm stupid", "Whad'ya mean?"... He didn't even know what "inconsistent" meant and had to call his mom from jail house, where he sat, to ask her what it meant. His mom didn't know better either.

But things get even worst, his public defense lawyer through his private investigator threw him under the bus and coerced him to confess in writing and drawing and then arranged for him to be interrogated by the sheriffs without his lawyer's presence.

The trial judge and the Wisconsin Appeal Court weren't any better either. The same goes to the WSC. I've seen Appellate Courts often set aside jury verdict or ruled police interrogation inadmissible based on the slightest technicality when it comes to truly seasoned cold blooded murderers who had lengthy criminal records or violence, rape and murder. But, when it comes to Avery and this poor 16 year old mentally slow kid, the justice system somehow completely failed them time and time again. The system just flopped when it comes to innocence being accused.

Watch those interrogation videos and the whole episode of this 10 part documentary series. You'd be extremely incensed at such colossal official corruption from top to bottom and the grave travesty of justice that was done on this man and his low IQ nephew.


If you don't have apple TV to stream the Netflix movie, here's the first episode on Youtube:





Here is Steven Avery Appeal Fund website with summary of the story that you can read:

https://www.fundedjustice.com/en/projects/27412-Steven-Avery-Appeal-Fund


Here's is the link to WH petition you can sign if you think we should right the wrong and injustice against Avery and Dassey:

https://t.co/hcFqpYAl9E

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It was a pretty riveting show. No question in my mind Brenden Dassey got completely ****ed by the system. The rest of the show and Steven Avery's life are almost surreal.

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I watched the first episode the other day to see what all the hubbub was about, and I couldn't stop until I had watched all 10 episodes.

I found myself actually yelling out loud - saying "Oh My God..." and "Holy ****" and "No ****ing Way" and other similar exclamations.

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sadly police misconduct and callous misrepresentation of the fact and malicious prosecution are not a one off problem.

One of the most impressive documentaries I have ever seen was murder on a Sunday morning about a young man who was prosecuted for murder even though he was clearly innocent. He was beaten, framed and railroaded by a bunch of tunnel visioned police officers and prosecutors and after he was found not guilty in 2 seconds time by a jury, the prosecution and police still proclaimed they had not been wrong and that the young man had gotten away with murder.

In the end it was the lawyer for the boy who found the actual culprit and who found that the police not properly processed the purse of the victim because they just had not looked for real evidence after they had beaten out a false confession out of the 15 year old, on the purse they found the fingerprint of the real culprit, it would have been so easy but as said, they had their black suspect and they did not investigate jack **** after that, almost sending a young man to jail for dozens of years (or longer).

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Beaudreaux said:

I watched the first episode the other day to see what all the hubbub was about, and I couldn't stop until I had watched all 10 episodes.

I found myself actually yelling out loud - saying "Oh My God..." and "Holy ****" and "No ****ing Way" and other similar exclamations.

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I advise you, watch murder on a Sunday morning (if you have not already seen it) and you will have the same responses like you had from the documentary about this crime against justice that you yelled out loud about.

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Peter King said:

sadly police misconduct and callous misrepresentation of the fact and malicious prosecution are not a one off problem.

One of the most impressive documentaries I have ever seen was murder on a Sunday morning about a young man who was prosecuted for murder even though he was clearly innocent. He was beaten, framed and railroaded by a bunch of tunnel visioned police officers and prosecutors and after he was found not guilty in 2 seconds time by a jury, the prosecution and police still proclaimed they had not been wrong and that the young man had gotten away with murder.

In the end it was the lawyer for the boy who found the actual culprit and who found that the police not properly processed the purse of the victim because they just had not looked for real evidence after they had beaten out a false confession out of the 15 year old, on the purse they found the fingerprint of the real culprit, it would have been so easy but as said, they had their black suspect and they did not investigate jack **** after that, almost sending a young man to jail for dozens of years (or longer).

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Thanks for the link to that, had not heard about it before.

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Winchester said:

Thanks for the link to that, had not heard about it before.

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It is a tragedy, but not just for Brenton Butler but also for mr. Stephens and his family who had to live through the same tragedy.

The first victim was Mrs. Stephens whom some coward had tried to rob and who had shot her dead, the husband had seen the perp and had described him, he stated that the guilty person was 6 feet tall, between 20-25 years old and of a totally different body type that Brenton was, he was 15 years old and stocky and shorter, nothing at all compared to the real culprit. At the time of the shooting Brenton was at home and he was found 2.5 hours later walking from his house to a blockbuster video to apply for a job. The police approached him and asked him if he knew anything about the case, then they put him in the back of the police cruiser and brought him to the place of the crime where the husband of the victim identified him, even though he did not comply with the description he gave and did not have on anything that resembled the clothing the killer had been wearing. In fact one of the clothing items worn by the killer was something that the young man did not even own (a fishing cap). Or any of the other clothes the killed had on.

The real perpetrator had dumped the purse of the woman far from where the crime took place. Brenton did not have gun residue on his hands, his fingerprints where not on the purse, the 91 dollars he had on him where the wages from his job at burger king. The purse was found 9.5 miles from the crime scene, Brenton who did not drive, was supposedly to have dumped the purse there on foot (because I do not think he owned a bike) and back, showered and be in the area of the shooting 2.5 hours after the shooting. I do not know how fast people walk 19 miles but:

1. it takes some time
2. it is highly likely you are seen, if not by people then on camera's.

They took the kid into a wood (with a big black officer who hit him in the stomach twice and once in the face). And he confessed the crime after that.

But I would want to call you attention to a piece of this movie which starts at 1 hour 18 minutes and about 19 seconds and listen to the interview with the officer and you will be astounded at how much investigation had been done into this case :roll:

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tl/dr. Can you sum it up on one sentence?

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reinoe said:

tl/dr. Can you sum it up on one sentence?

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Basically, the show portrays Steven Avery as a man who was framed by Manitowac police for murder. They basically framed him for rape, sent him to prison for 18 years for a crime committed by another man, 10 years into his sentence they were told another man committed the crime (who it turns out DID commit the crime once DNA analysis of pubic hairs linked him). As far as the rape case goes, the sheriff of the town (married to Steve Avery's cousin, who hated Steve Avery) purposefully framed Avery. The guy hired to draw a sketch of Avery took a picture of Avery, and drew the sketch off that picture instead of the woman's memory, which caused the woman to point Avery out in a lineup.

The rape case was ridiculous and infuriating, and a federal investigation should occur on that alone to get these corrupt assholes.

As far as the murder, there was no real physical evidence linking Avery, but the documentary tries to make it look like a frame job, and by the end of the series you really start to believe that it was. Brendan, the functionally retarded kid involved in the case is definitely innocent. He even had an alibi, but was not smart enough nor had good representation to get him out of trouble. His own lawyer was colluding with the prosecution to get Avery.

But Avery himself is a very fishy fellow. He is also close to being functionally retarded, with an IQ of about 70. He has a troubled past, including an incident where he doused a cat in gasoline and burned it alive, along with burglaries in his youth. I chalk that up to youthful stupidity and not the makings of a murderer.

I'm torn on this case. There was much not discussed in the documentary that make Avery look suspicious, like his infatuation with the murdered girl. But I have come to my own conclusion that during the 8 day search of his property where they found the girls car keys that evidence was planted to make Avery look like the murderer.

The only way Avery will be able to get out of this is if they come up with the technology to examine the blood found in the car to see if this blood was not fresh blood from Avery, but tainted blood from a blood vial. There will be a chemical in the blood to prove this. The technology isn't out there yet to examine the blood to determine this yet, but once that technology becomes available and if they can prove this blood was planted in the car, I hope the federal government comes down hard on this county and makes arrests. Corruption all around. The whole documentary was sickening, what happened to Avery could easily happen to anyone else. Especially in smaller towns where local politics and people can have such sway on trials.

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I just heard about this a couple days ago. It's on my list.

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reinoe said:

tl/dr. Can you sum it up on one sentence?

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There, no reading involved.

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radcen said:

I just heard about this a couple days ago. It's on my list.

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I watched the series in 3 days. 3 episodes one day, 2 the next and the last 5 the third day. Be forewarned the show lends itself to binging. :lol:

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dolphinocean said:

Making a murder: a documentary of grave injustice that will make you scream murder

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A thread was already posted an hour and a half before yours.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/art-and-entertainment/243744-making-murderer.html

And then there was this thread which beat you by days.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/conspiracy-theories/243616-steven-avery-case.html




The man got screwed the first time around yet the system worked.

Your musing about the second conviction are hilarious.

The murder conviction is likely to stand as there appears to be a lot of things this so-called documentary failed to reveal.

Is Steven Avery Guilty? Evidence 'Making a Murderer' Didn't Present


You seem to think they took advantage of Brendan (the "slow kid"), yet this is what he said to his mother on the phone.
(The following is an excerpt from a phone conversation he had with his mother it is linked linked to at the above url.)



Ya! Steven did it alright.

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Excon said:

A thread was already posted an hour and a half before yours.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/art-and-entertainment/243744-making-murderer.html

And then there was this thread which beat you by days.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/conspiracy-theories/243616-steven-avery-case.html




The man got screwed the first time around yet the system worked.

Your musing about the second conviction are hilarious.

The murder conviction is likely to stand as there appears to be a lot of things this so-called documentary failed to reveal.

Is Steven Avery Guilty? Evidence 'Making a Murderer' Didn't Present


You seem to think they took advantage of Brendan (the "slow kid"), yet this is what he said to his mother on the phone.
(The following is an excerpt from a phone conversation he had with his mother it is linked linked to at the above url.)

Mom: What all happened, what are you talking about?
Brendan: About what Me & Steven did that day,
Mom: What about it?
Brendan: Well, Mike & Mark & Matt came up one day and took another interview with me and said because they think I was lying but so, they said if I come out with it that I would have to go to jail for 90 years.
Mom: What?
Brendan: Ya. But if came out with it would probably get I dunno about like 20 or less. After the interview they told me if I wanted to say something to her family and said that I was sorry for what I did.
Mom: Then Steven did do it.
Brendan: Ya
Mom: (Mom Crying) Why didn’t you tell me about this?
Brendan. Ya, but they came out with something that was untrue with me
Mom:. What’s that?
Brendan: They said that I sold crack​

Ya! Steven did it alright.

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The system did not work the first time around. He was intentionally framed as the attacker because of the sheriff, who happened to be his in-law via his cousin, hated him. There was no physical evidence linking him, just a drawing by a man who used a picture of Avery to come up with the drawing rather than the memory of the victim.

As far as the second time around, again it seems clear to me that evidence was planted to make him look like the murderer. I personally think in my mind that there's a 60% chance he did it, 40% chance he didn't. But that doesn't excuse the criminality of Manitowac's justice system and the collusion between police officials and the courts.

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akrunner88 said:

The system did not work the first time around. He was intentionally framed as the attacker because of the sheriff, who happened to be his in-law via his cousin, hated him. There was no physical evidence linking him, just a drawing by a man who used a picture of Avery to come up with the drawing rather than the memory of the victim.

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I did not say it worked immediately. Sometimes it doesn't work until later under future court filings as it did here.
It worked.

akrunner88 said:

As far as the second time around, again it seems clear to me that evidence was planted to make him look like the murderer. I personally think in my mind that there's a 60% chance he did it, 40% chance he didn't. But that doesn't excuse the criminality of Manitowac's justice system and the collusion between police officials and the courts.

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Did you read what was left out of the so-called documentary?



Brendan said he did it in a phone conversation with his mom. That is pretty damning evidence.

Then we have the following information from the previously provided link.




He is guilty.

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Excon said:

I did not say it worked immediately. Sometimes it doesn't work until later under future court filings as it did here.
It worked.



Did you read what was left out of the so-called documentary?



Brendan said he did it in a phone conversation with his mom. That is pretty damning evidence.

Then we have the following information from the previously provided link.

-- On the day that Halbach went missing, Avery had called her three times, twice from a *67 number to hide his identity.

-- The bullet with Halbach's DNA on it came from Avery's gun, which always hung above his bed.


@winklmann @sportstao @mjguff Not sure about most glaring. But Teresa's camera and palm pilot were found in Avery's burn barrel.
— Angenette Levy (@Angenette5) December 28, 2015​

He is guilty.

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I'm only three episodes in and while the original conviction was outrageous and the involved law enforcement and prosecutors should be thrown in jail for 18 years this guy (and his family) is a low life, low IQ scumbag. In the first episode he admitted to throwing a cat into a fire.

I can't see how they they'll be able to explain away the physical evidence. I do see more law enforcement misconduct and perhaps the DA office and Sherriff's office need to be disbanded.

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Beaudreaux said:

I watched the first episode the other day to see what all the hubbub was about, and I couldn't stop until I had watched all 10 episodes.

I found myself actually yelling out loud - saying "Oh My God..." and "Holy ****" and "No ****ing Way" and other similar exclamations.

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I have more wilpower than that.

I watch an episode a week. It gives me time to mull over what I saw for the week.

I only have seen 2 episodes so I am still at the beginning.

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Great show, although I did watch it completely out of order. It really goes into great depth which is rare for a show like this.

Some episodes ended up with me pacing around the room thinking 'wtf is wrong with the world'. Brendan was particularly screwed over and I honestly want to punch his interogator and first lawyer in the face.

One thing that particularly distressed me was that if I had seen one of the CNN or FOX newscasts about Avery or Brendan, with the mugshots and everything, I'd have immediately just been like 'well yeah he deserves to be in prison'. The way that the news shows present it just frame the people as already guilty. One of the episodes touched on this when it said the news shows thought this was 'the perfect murder' in order to get views and ratings. They don't give a **** about the innocence of a person, portraying them as guilty makes the story more juicy.

That said, I try to be equally aware that this documentary came from it's own viewpoint, one that was painting Avery as having been framed. The prosecutor came out after the documentary and said that some pieces of evidence had been missed, so I'm trying to take my own viewing of it with a grain of salt.

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Soho gator said:

I'm only three episodes in and while the original conviction was outrageous and the involved law enforcement and prosecutors should be thrown in jail for 18 years this guy (and his family) is a low life, low IQ scumbag. In the first episode he admitted to throwing a cat into a fire.

I can't see how they they'll be able to explain away the physical evidence. I do see more law enforcement misconduct and perhaps the DA office and Sherriff's office need to be disbanded.

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Honestly I find his family pretty adorable. His parents in particular. They're simple people, but they seem like good people.

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Nilly said:

Honestly I find his family pretty adorable. His parents in particular. They're simple people, but they seem like good people.

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OK I was overly harsh on the parents but one of his siblings/cousins passed over the cat in the fire thing as no big deal...

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Excon said:

The man got screwed the first time around yet the system worked.

Your musing about the second conviction are hilarious.

The murder conviction is likely to stand as there appears to be a lot of things this so-called documentary failed to reveal.

Is Steven Avery Guilty? Evidence 'Making a Murderer' Didn't Present

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The article from your link claimed the writer snooped around the Reddit threads and through some news reports found some evidence not presented in the docuseries. Really, you're willing to rely on local news reports and Reddit threads instead of trial transcript?

How does past cat brutality prove he raped and murdered Halbach?

How does past event of threatening a female relative with gun prove beyond a reasonable the Halbach murder case?

Why would Avery want to lift the hood of SUV and remove the cable if he could simply crushed the whole vehicle with the crusher who was operating on that very day? Why wasn't his fingerprints all over the SUV while his blood was?

If Avery thoroughly clean up the garage with bleach, how is that the bullet still sit on the garage floor where previous searches found nothing? Why wasn't there any trace of microscopic high velocity blood spatter and bullet holes on the floor or anywhere in the garage. Did the bullet just drop onto the floor without ricocheting?

The rest of the points can likewise be easily debunked. Why don't you show facts from trial rather than absurd wild gossip that defies logic

Even though you may think he is guilty, there were mountains of reasonable doubts in the prosecution's case that the jury should not convict. Isn't that what our system is all about? Wasn't it William Blackstone, an English legal scholar, who said: "It is better that ten guilty men go free than that one innocent man be convicted?" Or Thurgood Marshall who said: ""It is better that a thousand guilty people go free than that one innocent person suffer unjustly"?

The way the evidence was gathered during the search was highly suspicious. No doubt about that. More so when the same corrupt Manitowoc sheriffs, who were involved in Avery's previous wrongful conviction and who were then facing a $36 million federal lawsuit filed by Avery that was about to bring them to their knees, injected themselves into the Avery investigation and seach activity,

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The Manitowoc DA publicly announced that the Avery case was handed over to the Calumet County investigators and DA due to conflict of interest and to avoid any appearance of impropriety. Yet, those same handful of proven corrupt sheriffs completely ignored that but injected themselves heavily into the Avery investigation which they have no business to be involved in.

They vacated the property of its rightful owners so they could get a foot in the door and fulfilled whatever mission or scheme they had that motivated them. For a gang of nefarious sheriffs that had a track record of unethical and sleazy conduct, it's not far fetch to believe they could do when they were about to be brought to their knees by the civil lawsuit.

Halbach had been doing photoshoot at the Avery's property 15 to 18 times over the past year before she disappeared. Just when the Avery lawsuit was going well with the deposition, he just couldn't wait for the windfall along with plenty of beautiful chicks along the way but to rape and kill her right then where she'd previously interacted with him many times before? Really?

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Excon said:

You seem to think they took advantage of Brendan (the "slow kid"), yet this is what he said to his mother on the phone.
(The following is an excerpt from a phone conversation he had with his mother it is linked linked to at the above url.)

Mom: What all happened, what are you talking about?
Brendan: About what Me & Steven did that day,
Mom: What about it?
Brendan: Well, Mike & Mark & Matt came up one day and took another interview with me and said because they think I was lying but so, they said if I come out with it that I would have to go to jail for 90 years.
Mom: What?
Brendan: Ya. But if came out with it would probably get I dunno about like 20 or less. After the interview they told me if I wanted to say something to her family and said that I was sorry for what I did.
Mom: Then Steven did do it.
Brendan: Ya
Mom: (Mom Crying) Why didn’t you tell me about this?
Brendan. Ya, but they came out with something that was untrue with me
Mom:. What’s that?
Brendan: They said that I sold crack​

Ya! Steven did it alright.

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Regarding the investigators taking advantage of Brendan, it's not just what I seem to think. It is a fact. Did you not watch all the interrogation videos? The excerpt of the phone conversation between Brendan and his mom that you posted was worthless. Why don't you also post the part where he told his mom the interrogators got into his head and made him said what they wanted to hear? He also denied that the event occurred.

The camera, palm pilot, car keys, bone fragments, etc could very well be planted. They had 8 days of free reign of the property to do so. Tell me, where's the bloody knife used to cut Halbach's neck? Why didn't he just throw it into the burn pit together with Halbach's camera and palm pilot? Why leave the incriminating rifle and bullets around for the investigators to find?

For the first several searches conducted together with the Calumet investigators they found nothing. Then, after the corrupt Manitowoc sheriffs went back to the Avery property by themselves followed by the last search with the Calumet officials, lo behold, they found the car key laying in plain sight where it wasn't there during the first few searches. And the key had only Avery's DNA and not Halbach's?

Yet there wasn't a single drop of blood or Halbach's DNA found on the bed or the carpet floor or anywhere in that trailer where Brendan was coerced to describe he was ordered by Avery to cut her throat. This contradicts Brendan's confession. Reasonable doubt here.

And then the prosecutor claimed Halbach was shot several times in the head in the garage. No blood or DNA forensic evidence there either except a bullet or so found later when previous searches turned out nothing. So, which is it? The rape and murder happened in the bedroom or the garage? Reasonable doubt much?

Prosecution claimed Avery dragged Halbach's body to the back yard where the burn pit was located for incineration, yet no blood trail found anywhere along the path. The day Halbach went missing Avery was operating the car crusher. He knew to get rid of Halbach's camera and palm pilot but kept his key with his DNA in his bedroom and her SUV in plain sight at the corner of the junkyard by the crusher?

All these amount to reasonable doubt, not to mention the obvious coercion of Brendan's confession by the sheriffs and even his own defense team.

Every piece of evidence the prosecution presented in Avery's case is just completely worthless. There was no physical evidence to link Brendan to any crime, imagined or real.

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That Brendan kid is another low in loser from what I've seen so far.

Edit a lot of fat people in Wisconsin.

Edit ok the interrogation of this kid is 100% bull****.

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I can't believe the Appeal Fund set up for Steven Avery amounts to zero. It's now closed.

https://www.fundedjustice.com/en/projects/27412-Steven-Avery-Appeal-Fund