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Arrest of NYPD officer brings filming of officers into focus

Glad to hear it. Recording police actions are one of the only ways we have to fight back against corrupt or abusive police officers. The right to do so needs to be defended as vigorously as possible.
 
radcen said:
Arrest of NYPD officer brings filming of officers into focus

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There used to be laws against making obscene gestures and shouting profanity in public. As an interesting side note, even while judges decided that police had to put up with that crap, they continue to punish people who so disrespect their court.

For the record, I don't have a problem with recording or other increased surveillance in public places. It'll just keep honest people honest and help catch criminals, is my position for both police officers and ordinary people. But I do have a problem with maniacs who stand their screaming at police officers engaged in their lawful duties, and think they should be arrested for disorderly conduct.
 
molten_dragon said:
Glad to hear it. Recording police actions are one of the only ways we have to fight back against corrupt or abusive police officers. The right to do so needs to be defended as vigorously as possible.
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For me its:
1. Live streaming, recording cameras that cannot be turned off. Not just on officers but in stations, lock ups and prisons.
2. End the War on Drugs
3. Make "Civil Forfeiture" illegal
4. Make all settlements for brutality or civil rights violations come out of police pension funds, temporarily.
5. Require that jury nullification to be a part of jury instructions.

That would I think cripple police corruption and restore a sense of respect for officers and the justice system.
 
Lachean said:
For me its:
1. Live streaming, recording cameras that cannot be turned off. Not just on officers but in stations, lock ups and prisons.
2. End the War on Drugs
3. Make "Civil Forfeiture" illegal
4. Make all settlements for brutality or civil rights violations come out of police pension funds, temporarily.
5. Require that jury nullification to be a part of jury instructions.

That would I think cripple police corruption and restore a sense of respect for officers and the justice system.
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And what police officer would work in such conditions that they cannot take a piss or **** without it being captured on camera..........

Police Officers are still human beings, and still have the right to privacy.
 
Ridiculous they like everyone else have no expectation of privacy in public.
 
molten_dragon said:
Glad to hear it. Recording police actions are one of the only ways we have to fight back against corrupt or abusive police officers. The right to do so needs to be defended as vigorously as possible.
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Next we need to put recording devices on politicians. Corruption and abuses of power aren't limited to police.
 
Fletch said:
Next we need to put recording devices on politicians. Corruption and abuses of power aren't limited to police.
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True, but politicians abusing their power is generally a lot less directly harmful.
 
Soho gator said:
Ridiculous they like everyone else have no expectation of privacy in public.
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And yet it is unlawful for a business to put a camera inside the bathroom........

Because everyone has an expectation of privacy while handling nature's call.
 
Caine said:
And yet it is unlawful for a business to put a camera inside the bathroom........

Because everyone has an expectation of privacy while handling nature's call.
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Actually not, if they tell you they are filming. However unlike some places India people in America generally don't squat in front of people and take a dump. If they did so in a forest in front of me I'd be within my rights to film them regardless of sex.
 
radcen said:
Arrest of NYPD officer brings filming of officers into focus

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I love this. Bull**** cop defense that has been used since the first guy filmed the first cop beating an innocent person:

"It escalates the tension and makes it more dangerous for everyone involved," Lynch said. "The act of recording police starts from the belief that every officer is doing something wrong and that's insulting to all police officers."

Meanwhile, the main cop attitude to survielance is "you have nothing to worry about unless you have done something wrong"

So, cops who hate being file, all you have to do is not make a mistake, it's easy asshole, just like your suspects.

What these bone heads don't get is that A, the film can be used in court to their benefit, filming can remove the possibility of false charges of police brutality and....wait for it.....It is legal under the constitution.

Such it up lazy cops, the game has changed. You have to be professional at all times now, not just when important people might find out. Professional cops have "nothing to worry about" just like they us.
 
_Sal said:
why are you assuming this that there would be no bathroom privacy
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Because of the laws regarding such..... just maybe.
 
Caine said:
Because of the laws regarding such..... just maybe.
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okay fair enough

I can't see though why fear of reducing bathroom privacy should deter a cop from wanting to protect himself on the job by being filmed

to me, it protects them as well except of course in situations that are super grey and on the line or maybe would be a bit over the line which isn't always bad
 
_Sal said:
okay fair enough

I can't see though why fear of reducing bathroom privacy should deter a cop from wanting to protect himself on the job by being filmed

to me, it protects them as well except of course in situations that are super grey and on the line or maybe would be a bit over the line which isn't always bad
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It wouldn't...... police don't mind the cameras.....

If you go back.. you'll see my comment was in response to someone's suggestion of a live feed that can't be turned off or effected by police in any way.

That sort of feed would, at bathroom time, be akin to voyeur style porn.....
 
Caine said:
It wouldn't...... police don't mind the cameras.....

If you go back.. you'll see my comment was in response to someone's suggestion of a live feed that can't be turned off or effected by police in any way.

That sort of feed would, at bathroom time, be akin to voyeur style porn.....
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thanks...
 
Fearandloathing said:
I love this. Bull**** cop defense that has been used since the first guy filmed the first cop beating an innocent person:

"It escalates the tension and makes it more dangerous for everyone involved," Lynch said. "The act of recording police starts from the belief that every officer is doing something wrong and that's insulting to all police officers."

Meanwhile, the main cop attitude to survielance is "you have nothing to worry about unless you have done something wrong"

So, cops who hate being file, all you have to do is not make a mistake, it's easy asshole, just like your suspects.

What these bone heads don't get is that A, the film can be used in court to their benefit, filming can remove the possibility of false charges of police brutality and....wait for it.....It is legal under the constitution.

Such it up lazy cops, the game has changed. You have to be professional at all times now, not just when important people might find out. Professional cops have "nothing to worry about" just like they us.
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Precisely what I've long said. The police are always the first to say, "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear."

If that's true, it goes both ways.
 
Ikari said:
Well we'll see if anything actually happens. Though it would also be nice if they started charging cops who keep shooting unarmed suspects.
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Agreed, but I feel the need to be cautious when phrasing it that way. I can see a scenario where they honestly don't know the suspect isn't armed but he led them to believe he was.

Vague statements like, "I feared for my safety." mean nothing to me anymore, but if they can articulate exactly how and why they feared, specific to that situation, I have to keep an open mind.
 
radcen said:
Agreed, but I feel the need to be cautious when phrasing it that way. I can see a scenario where they honestly don't know the suspect isn't armed but he led them to believe he was.

Vague statements like, "I feared for my safety." mean nothing to me anymore, but if they can articulate exactly how and why they feared, specific to that situation, I have to keep an open mind.
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In reality, yes, because cops will be put in dangerous situations, they are more likely than others to need to respond with force. But I do agree this "I feared for my safety" is a common excuse and then other cops lying about details and covering up crimes is also a problem.

I think the first thing is that we need to retrain our cops. They were trained in a era where apparently they are taught they can do no wrong. They escalate situations until they get to shoot people. There was that lippy kid that the one cop ended up improperly tazing than shot dead. That death could have been avoided if the cop wasn't escalating the situation. So retraining for all. Learn about de-escalation, learn how to bring situations to a peaceful end as much as possible.

Second, the gun needs to be replaced. In 2015, I think we can make a less-than-lethal response option that is as good as guns. Firearms first is a tactic that needs to go away. We should invest in the research and development of less-than-lethal responses that can take the place of the gun.

Third, video, video, video. Everything. Cops, cars, interrogations, everything. If someone is charged, those videos, unaltered, must be made available to both prosecution and defense.

The public is loosing it's trust in the police, and that's not a good thing. But the loss of trust is prompted not by the People, but by the actions of the Police themselves. So we need to be more careful. We need to exert more control. And any officer abusing powers or committing crimes must be punished to the full extent of the law. Government abuse of power and force has always been the #1 threat against our rights and liberties.
 
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