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Alabama lawmaker demands Confederate flag be removed from state trooper uniforms

EMNofSeattle said:
This is the symbol in question, it's a LE patch with a coat of arms that includes the union jack of Great Britain, a Fleur de Lis, and some other symbol I don't recognize, in quadrants.
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The quadrants represent the nations that historically have ruled Alabama - clockwise from upper left: France, Spain, Confederacy (may or may not have been a nation depending on one's viewpoint), and Britain; the shield in the center represents the US.
 
A person wants a small Confederate flag removed from the uniforms of police officers because it's a symbol of racism and hate....

....but says nothing about Rap lyrics.
 
Anomalism said:
Rap lyrics are not displayed on the uniforms of public servants.
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But they still promote hate and violence. Or is it because rappers are 99.9% of the time Black, which is why Rap isn't as big a target?
 
Roadvirus said:
Or is it because rappers are 99.9% of the time Black, which is why Rap isn't as big a target?
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That has nothing to do with it. Do you really not see the difference? One is being used by the government and the other is not.
 
Roadvirus said:
A person wants a small Confederate flag removed from the uniforms of police officers because it's a symbol of racism and hate....

....but says nothing about Rap lyrics.
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Says nothing about the value of cheesecake in American society, either. That's about as relevant as your point here regarding rap lyrics.
 
reinoe said:
This is the same state that allows police officers to attend and lead Klan rallies so of course there's a Confederate Flag on their uniforms. I'm surprised their slogan isn't "Keep the skeer on 'em".
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Here in SD we have at least one police department with the Verginia Battle Flag on the patch. Why no outrage?
 
Jerry said:
Fun fact: that's not the Confederate flag.
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Fun fact:




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<---- That's the flag most associated with the Confederacy.





The second national flag of the Confederate States of America.

Don't play games.
 

Third national flag (after March 4, 1865)







Third national flag as commonly manufactured, with a square canton
 
Anomalism said:
That has nothing to do with it. Do you really not see the difference? One is being used by the government and the other is not.
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That's not a "difference". That's an excuse.

Rap and Confederate Flags are both used to promote hate and violence, yet people only go ape**** over the Confederate Flag. Why are they treated differently?

Rap get's protection under "Freedom of Speech/Expression" and Rap artists are called "Entertainers".
People who try to use "Freedom of Speech/Expression" for the CF are labelled "Racists".
 
Paperview said:
OK.

Play your games.

Those who are familiar with CSA apologists know where you're coming from.
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Those familiar with the CSA know that was never a Confederate flag. It was a military flag.
 
Roadvirus said:
That's not a "difference". That's an excuse.

Rap and Confederate Flags are both used to promote hate and violence, yet people only go ape**** over the Confederate Flag. Why are they treated differently?

Rap get's protection under "Freedom of Speech/Expression" and Rap artists are called "Entertainers".
People who try to use "Freedom of Speech/Expression" for the CF are labelled "Racists".
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I gotta say, this is one of the most ridiculous attempts at making an argument I've seen from you.

Do you realize how broad and varied "rap lyrics" are? Do you realize that music is a form of expression, and a flag is merely a symbol? Do you realize that your comparison has zero merit or relevance?
 
Jerry said:
Those familiar with the CSA know that was never a Confederate flag. It was a military flag.
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My profession is history, for 3 decades now, Civil War history being a big part of it. It was a flag of the Confederacy, and the flag most associated with the Confederacy now.

That flag made its resurgence during the Strom Thurmond era as a big **** you to the Civil Rights movement.

Deny it all you want. I don't give a ****.
 
Roadvirus said:
That's not a "difference". That's an excuse.

Rap and Confederate Flags are both used to promote hate and violence, yet people only go ape**** over the Confederate Flag. Why are they treated differently?

Rap get's protection under "Freedom of Speech/Expression" and Rap artists are called "Entertainers".
People who try to use "Freedom of Speech/Expression" for the CF are labelled "Racists".
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If you don't like rap music, you can, yanno, not buy rap music. If you don't like the Confederate flag, you can't not pay your taxes to a state government that uses it.
 
Paperview said:
My profession is history, for 3 decades now, Civil War history being a big part of it. It was a flag of the Confederacy, and the flag most associated with the Confederacy now.

That flag that made its resurgence during the Strom Thurmond era as a big **** you to the Civil Rights movement.

Deny it all you want. I don't give a ****.
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How the flag was politically used later doesn't mean it was ever a Confederate flag.

#logic
 
Kobie said:
If you don't like rap music, you can, yanno, not buy rap music. If you don't like the Confederate flag, you can't not pay your taxes to a state government that uses it.
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Alabama isn't using a Confederate flag, so there's no problem.
 
I see both sides in this issue, but you know you can't change history. The Civil War happened. It's not like taking down the flags are going to change anything that happened. Some people use the flags for the wrong reasons, but some people honestly still have historical ties to the flag. Thousands of people died in that war, and some of these people are honored to have had family serve in the war. They feel like taking the flag away, and making it basically impossible to buy anymore is taking away not only their heritage, but a part of America's history.
 
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