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Murder Rates Rising Sharply in Many U.S. Cities

Lutherf said:
There is no doubt that those suffering economic hardship are more prone to crime no matter what their race. However, simply having money doesn't fix the problem either because once the gang bangers get their roll they don't stop committing crimes. That means that there must be something else that perpetuates the cycle of crime and poverty and I would suggest that the culprit is the continued focus on "fixing" poverty rather than fixing the causes of poverty.
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What causes poverty....is a lack of income.

I'm smelling a Murray rat.
 
Shadowless said:
Exactly. This is why we need to stop drug prohibition and make it a public health issue. Take their business away. That's where most of the gang money comes from.
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Before the drug problems there were numbers rackets, extortion, robberies and everything else. Legalizing drugs will be no panacea.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
What causes poverty....is a lack of income.

I'm smelling a Murray rat.
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Don't be a fool. Systemic poverty...generational poverty comes from myriad issues in the social environment. It comes from a lack of formal education and a lack of incentive to become educated. It comes from a lack of economic and entrepreneurial understanding. It comes from, more than anything else, a culture of victimhood.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
I could care less. You don't even want to know the source or the data.
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Go ahead...spit it out. Let's see how biased it is.

Gimmesometruth said:
What causes poverty....is a lack of income.

I'm smelling a Murray rat.
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And a lack of income is mainly do to lazy asswipes who don't want to work, have no work ethic, think that society owes them and from listening to asswipes like Sharpton and obama, who brainwash them into thinking that they are owed a living.

There are many good Black and Hispanic people that are hard workers and good roll models......but too few in numbers.

And of course, drug use from pre-teen years on, will not make one a worthy candidate for getting a decent job.

Just like we saw over and over again in New Orleans, a cycle of free loading and entitlement that begets future generations!

No training of the young in responsibility, morals or work ethic.....nothing but crime .........or handouts from the enablers in the Demo Party!
 
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Lutherf said:
Before the drug problems there were numbers rackets, extortion, robberies and everything else. Legalizing drugs will be no panacea.
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Where is it stated that changing drug laws.....would reduce non-drug related criminal activities?
 
MickeyW said:
Go ahead...spit it out. Let's see how biased it is.
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Meh, you look it up...Peterson/Kirov.



And a lack of income is mainly do to lazy asswipes who don't want to work, have no work ethic, think that society owes them and from listening to asswipes like Sharpton and obama, who brainwash them into thinking that they are owed a liviing.
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Thanks for displaying the pointlessness of directing you to academic studies.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Where is it stated that changing drug laws.....would reduce non-drug related criminal activities?
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Do you have a reading comprehension problem or are you just constantly trying to be as annoying as possible?

Never mind. I really don't care enough to read an answer to that.
 
Lutherf said:
Don't be a fool.
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Systemic poverty...generational poverty comes from myriad issues in the social environment. It comes from a lack of formal education and a lack of incentive to become educated. It comes from a lack of economic and entrepreneurial understanding. It comes from, more than anything else, a culture of victimhood.
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It comes from a lack of economic access and opportunities that are socioeconomic and education related, the low levels of economic mobility show this, as do stats on the inability of Blacks to gain even with equal levels of education. As per usual, you blame the victims, I'm waiting for further Murrayisms.
 
Lutherf said:
Don't be a fool. Systemic poverty...generational poverty comes from myriad issues in the social environment. It comes from a lack of formal education and a lack of incentive to become educated. It comes from a lack of economic and entrepreneurial understanding. It comes from, more than anything else, a culture of victimhood.
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That is a truly nauseating rant...and evinces a complete lack of understanding of systemic poverty...and of humanity itself.
 
Lutherf said:
Do you have a reading comprehension problem or are you just constantly trying to be as annoying as possible?

Never mind. I really don't care enough to read an answer to that.
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Sure, I'm the one with comprehension issues, whereas you believed that decriminalization was proposed as a "panacea" to all crime you mentioned. We call this straw, if you need a specific.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Blacks and whites, when adjusted for poverty, have near equal levels of violent crime.
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Blacks are about 2.75 times as likely as whites to be poor, 2.2 times as likely to be high-school dropouts, 2.9 times as likely to live in a large city, and 2.7 times as likely to grow up in a single parent household (according to the U.S. Census Bureau's American Community Survey 2014).

Yet blacks commit 7 times more homicides than whites (according to the U.S. Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics).

The studies you're citing generally use relatively small sample sizes, typically various (white and black) communities within a given city.
 
soot said:
Blacks are about 2.75 times as likely as whites to be poor, 2.2 times as likely to be high-school dropouts, 2.9 times as likely to live in a large city, and 2.7 times as likely to grow up in a single parent household (according to the U.S. Census Bureau's American Community Survey 2014).

Yet blacks commit 7 times more homicides than whites (according to the U.S. Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics).

The studies you're citing generally use relatively small sample sizes, typically various (white and black) communities within a given city.
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Thanks for revealing that you don't know what I'm citing or how to adjust for economic levels. And here we have a person who boasts about access to said studies.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Meh, you look it up...Peterson/Kirov.
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That's one of the papers I was talking about.

They just looked at one or two individual neighborhoods in Cleveland or Cincinnati, right?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
.i..

It comes from a lack of economic access and opportunities that are socioeconomic and education related, the low levels of economic mobility show this, as do stats on the inability of Blacks to gain even with equal levels of education. As per usual, you blame the victims, I'm waiting for further Murrayisms.
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How do you propose to achieve "economic access" if not through education and changing certain cultural paradigms which are entrenched in poor neighborhoods? The opportunities are there for EVERYBODY in this nation but half the ****ing country keeps on telling these communities that they're doomed to failure by "the man" so it's no wonder that some believe that bull****. You can keep propping individuals up all you want but until you convince them that they can prop themselves up you're just shoveling water against the tide.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Thanks for revealing that you don't know what I'm citing or how to adjust for economic levels. And here we have a person who boasts about access to said studies.
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Racial Segregation and Black Urban Homicide or Extremely Disadvantaged Neighborhoods and Urban Crime, or both.

I know what you're alluding to (you weren't actually citing anything, the word "citing" actually means something and you weren't doing that).

Since I don't know "how to adjust for economic levels" why don't you go ahead and give me the math?

You know, educate me since I don't know what I'm doing.

Or why don't you do something, anything, to prove your claims?

Other than this drive by bull**** you've provided thus far (provided in a snide and dismissive way so as to give the impression that you actually know what you're talking about without providing any real substance or any kind of demonstration that you actually do have some command of this topic).
 
Lutherf said:
How do you propose to achieve "economic access" if not through education and changing certain cultural paradigms which are entrenched in poor neighborhoods? The opportunities are there for EVERYBODY in this nation but half the ****ing country keeps on telling these communities that they're doomed to failure by "the man" so it's no wonder that some believe that bull****. You can keep propping individuals up all you want but until you convince them that they can prop themselves up you're just shoveling water against the tide.
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Yes, it is a continuation of the blame shifting, now once again to the media, who is "hyping" the story of "doom by the Man". Murrayisms, bootstraps and teh librul media, all mixed together. I suppose the reason Tucson has regained less than 50% of the jobs lost since the Bush Recession....is due to teh librul media....and lack of bootstrapiness.
 
soot said:
Racial Segregation and Black Urban Homicide or Extremely Disadvantaged Neighborhoods and Urban Crime, or both.

I know what you're alluding to (you weren't actually citing anything, the word "citing" actually means something and you weren't doing that).

Since I don't know "how to adjust for economic levels" why don't you go ahead and give me the math?

You know, educate me since I don't know what I'm doing.

Or why don't you do something, anything, to prove your claims?

Other than this drive by bull**** you've provided thus far (provided in a snide and dismissive way so as to give the impression that you actually know what you're talking about without providing any real substance or any kind of demonstration that you actually do have some command of this topic).
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Actually, the onus is upon you to show that that their 1996 study (or any of their follow-up) misrepresented or in some way were inaccurate in showing the crime levels for Whites and Blacks by economic status.

http://faculty.washington.edu/matsueda/courses/587/readings/Krivo Peterson 1996.pdf
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Yes, it is a continuation of the blame shifting, now once again to the media, who is "hyping" the story of "doom by the Man". Murrayisms, bootstraps and teh librul media, all mixed together. I suppose the reason Tucson has regained less than 50% of the jobs lost since the Bush Recession....is due to teh librul media....and lack of bootstrapiness.
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The reasons that Tucson hasn't regained jobs (or property values) while Marana has prospered is mostly because the Town Council up there got all crazy and did weird stuff like encouraging new businesses to open and improving their roads with the additional sales tax generated by those businesses. Meanwhile the city of Tucson managed to run off their minor league baseball teams and piss money down the Rio Nuevo pit. People started looking at Marana and said, "Hey, I could move there and still work in Tucson" and that's just exactly what they did. Who does that leave in Tucson? It leaves the same people that keep on believing that handouts are the pathway to success. It's why our new jobs are all in food service, home health care and call centers.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Meh, you look it up...Peterson/Kirov.

Thanks for displaying the pointlessness of directing you to academic studies.
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Academics are the ones who tout all GW as man made......they are also the ones who think that decent people owning a gun is a bad thing, because they are inept....they are also the ones that say vaccinations and flu shots are beneficial to all.

I come from the school of "being there, living it ...and trying to police it."
There is Right ....and Wrong....and I submit, these people don't care.

Gimmesometruth said:
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It comes from a lack of economic access and opportunities that are socioeconomic and education related, the low levels of economic mobility show this, as do stats on the inability of Blacks to gain even with equal levels of education. As per usual, you blame the victims, I'm waiting for further Murrayisms.
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One is a victim, only if he sees himself as one.

Glen Contrarian said:
That is a truly nauseating rant...and evinces a complete lack of understanding of systemic poverty...and of humanity itself.
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Excuses, excuses!

soot said:
Blacks are about 2.75 times as likely as whites to be poor, 2.2 times as likely to be high-school dropouts, 2.9 times as likely to live in a large city, and 2.7 times as likely to grow up in a single parent household (according to the U.S. Census Bureau's American Community Survey 2014).

Yet blacks commit 7 times more homicides than whites (according to the U.S. Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics).

The studies you're citing generally use relatively small sample sizes, typically various (white and black) communities within a given city.
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Precisely!
 
Lutherf said:
How do you propose to achieve "economic access" if not through education and changing certain cultural paradigms which are entrenched in poor neighborhoods? The opportunities are there for EVERYBODY in this nation but half the ****ing country keeps on telling these communities that they're doomed to failure by "the man" so it's no wonder that some believe that bull****. You can keep propping individuals up all you want but until you convince them that they can prop themselves up you're just shoveling water against the tide.
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There were a lot more successful people in America, before the liberals started making excuses for them and enabling their failures!

Growing up in the SF Bay Area, I saw lots of Black folks, about 7% in my town, who were basically salt of the earth good people and working stiffs, just like my parents. There was a very small percentage of dopers and screw ups.
I worked with the one Black cop on our department....he was a good guy, and I would have his back anytime.
Starting about the early to mid sixties, the Communist groups infiltrated UC Berkeley and other campuses across the nation. They protested against "The Man" the Viet Nam War and about all the indignities bestowed upon the minorities...mainly those of the Black race.
And it went downhill from there.......and really has never come back.
 
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MickeyW said:
There were a lot more successful people in America, before the liberals started making excuses for them and enabling their failures!

Growing up in the SF Bay Area, I saw lots of Black folks, about 7% in my town, who were basically salt of the earth good people and working stiffs, just like my parents. There was a very small percentage of dopers and screw ups.
I worked with the one Black cop on our department....he was a good guy, and I would have his back anytime.
Starting about the early to mid sixties, the Communist infiltrated UC Berkeley and other campuses across the nation. They protested against "The Man" and about all the indignities bestowed upon the minorities...mainly those of the Black race.
And it went downhill from there.......and really has never come back.
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Poverty rates now are pretty much where they were 50 years ago and haven't changed a whole lot over that period. What has changed is the violent crime rate. It's dropped significantly. That indicates that poverty, by itself, is not a leading factor in driving violent crime and since that's the case then stuff like "income equality" plans are not the most effective way to reduce crime.
 
The Ferguson Effect is the most anti-cop theory I've ever heard. The notion that police officers are afraid of doing their job because they're doing it SO CORRUPTLY that they'd get fired if they were caught on video.
 
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