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White pastor pulled over just like Ms Bland[W:97]

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Excon said:
He admitted to the traffic violation, cooperated and nothing happened. Go figure.
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Nothing happened? He was interrogated for nothing by an agent of the state, that's what happened.

If the cop wants to write a citation, have at it. Absent probable cause, he has no business interrogating a citizen.

How different is this than being stopped to have your 'papers' checked in some 2 bit banana republic? Not any difference at all.
 
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I guess it okay for the officer to inspect the driver's colon so long as other crimes have occurred along the same route. :roll:

It occurs to me that all of the "pro-police" folks want is for people to utterly submit to officers. I disagree. If rights are infringed, we need to, as a culture, stand up and say no more. Until we do, we will always be subservient to those who we paid to service us.
 
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Caine said:
Bottom line....

This is a drug interdiction stop. Find a legal reason to stop a suspected type of vehicle (Rental Car) that is traveling on the interstate (most likely if they are traveling through states) and question its occupants.

While it may seem excessive.... this is what works in highway drug interdiction.
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Sometimes it works. The drug war is still a lost cause.
 
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Thorgasm said:
Sometimes it works. The drug war is still a lost cause.
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It's a lost cause UNLESS one happens to be employed by any of the many agencies that profit from it. In that case the drug war is The Goose That Lays Golden Eggs. ;)
 
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Henry David said:
It's a lost cause UNLESS one happens to be employed by any of the many agencies that profit from it. In that case the drug war is The Goose That Lays Golden Eggs. ;)
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The problem is that you can see a direct correlation between the toughening of drug laws and sentences and police being shot. The state raised the stakes so that people will do anything to not be locked up for life. It has made the job more dangerous for police.
 
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reinoe said:
What the "eff" are you talking about? Even when I'm agreeing with you, you still find a way to complain and make it seem like someone is attacking the cops.

You all saw it here first folks! In no way shape or form am I passing a "verdict" on anyone. I'm agreeing that the cops took these actions because of the rental car (look at post 41.) And stonewall still complains. Look at his posts. WTF is he complaining about? Where is the hyperbole coming from? What's it based on? He's just a contrarian. That's all he is.
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It could have been multiple things. I made one suggestion.
 
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stonewall50 said:
When you have no legal avenue to handle encroachments on your rights.
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I understand this to mean that address your grievances in court. Is that correct? If so, I partially agree. All avenues along this path are mostly controlled by the very police and those that support the police you're attempting prosecute. Also, their word holds far greater weight than the average citizen.
 
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notquiteright said:
Then cops should hang out at major airports! :roll:

A lot of very lawful folks travel by car when vacationing. Many don't own vehicles that they trust to make long distance travel safely. (Try asking car rental folks how many cars they rent out for such travel)

Most rental cars use very subdued stickers to help thwart attacks by those who prey on vacationers, remember tourists being attacked in Miami? I'm not sure how close a cop has to get to see the tiny bar code on the rental truck I drove when my truck was getting a new flatbed put on....

So the cops were concentrating on out of state cars, that is the trigger.

Perhaps the rental places can subdue the registration to keep cops from preying on their customers.... :peace
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It's not just the rental cars, it's the whole shebang. Rental car plus drug highway plus non-local plates. And the police can easily run a plate in moments - that tells it is a rental car.
 
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Tettsuo said:
No, you didn't. You ran from it and now you're doing a little dance to continue to avoid even thinking critically.

If you want to see an honest response, check out Stonewall50's response. He had the balls to honestly answer the question... unlike you.
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Give it a rest, you're not going to get the childish response you desire. It is not okay for you to refuse to comply. You want to make up ridiculous strawmen to get the answer you desire, go right ahead, it's still not going to be okay.
 
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clownboy said:
It's not just the rental cars, it's the whole shebang. Rental car plus drug highway plus non-local plates. And the police can easily run a plate in moments - that tells it is a rental car.
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You omitted the ethnic minority occupants. That's part of "the whole shebang", too.
 
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Mycroft said:
Are you comfortable with this type of police state?

Is it okay to interrogate people just because they happen to be driving some sort of vehicle...on some particular highway?

I'm not.
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Methinks you've never been anywhere close to a real police state. They were asked a few questions and went on their merry way.
 
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radcen said:
You omitted the ethnic minority occupants. That's part of "the whole shebang", too.
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Not necessarily in that area. Just as likely they'd be white.
 
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Welcome to predatory policing. :2wave:
 
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clownboy said:
Methinks you've never been anywhere close to a real police state. They were asked a few questions and went on their merry way.
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No the cop was being a manipulative asshat who was sniffing where there was no fire. A volunteer collector who waylays unsuspecting common-folk for the glory of the Empire-of-the-City.
 
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clownboy said:
Give it a rest, you're not going to get the childish response you desire. It is not okay for you to refuse to comply. You want to make up ridiculous strawmen to get the answer you desire, go right ahead, it's still not going to be okay.
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Not according to the US Constitution.

What country do you live in where you can't refuse to comply with the police?
 
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clownboy said:
Methinks you've never been anywhere close to a real police state.
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I've been to both New York and Los Angeles.
 
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clownboy said:
Methinks you've never been anywhere close to a real police state. They were asked a few questions and went on their merry way.
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According to the Pastor, they weren't just "asked a few questions". They were separated, a LOT of questions...some that just aren't any of the Police's business...the Police asked the wife questions to check his answers and then he was required to explain the differences.

This was an interrogation...not just a few questions and on their merry way.

So...let me ask you...are you comfortable with this type of police state?
 
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Mycroft said:
According to the Pastor, they weren't just "asked a few questions". They were separated, a LOT of questions...some that just aren't any of the Police's business...the Police asked the wife questions to check his answers and then he was required to explain the differences.

This was an interrogation...not just a few questions and on their merry way.

So...let me ask you...are you comfortable with this type of police state?
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Of course he is. He believe American citizen should do whatever the police order us to do.

It is not okay for you to refuse to comply.
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His words.
 
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Thorgasm said:
The problem is that you can see a direct correlation between the toughening of drug laws and sentences and police being shot. The state raised the stakes so that people will do anything to not be locked up for life. It has made the job more dangerous for police.
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More dangerous for police and more corrupting for police. Long term, it has made the police look bad. The simple reason is that the drug laws are bad laws--they work against society. By zealous enforcement, the police look bad. That is why Law Enforcement Against Prohibition exists--to try to remedy the situation and restore some measure of dignity and honesty to the profession.
 
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Mycroft said:
According to the Pastor, they weren't just "asked a few questions". They were separated, a LOT of questions...some that just aren't any of the Police's business...the Police asked the wife questions to check his answers and then he was required to explain the differences.

This was an interrogation...not just a few questions and on their merry way.

So...let me ask you...are you comfortable with this type of police state?
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To answer that last, yes. Although the question was framed in the same silly manner as "when did you stop beating your wife". I've never been under interrogation except in Army Basic Training as an exercise, but from that I can tell you, this wasn't an interrogation.
 
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reinoe said:
I've been to both New York and Los Angeles.
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Yep, both those intensely democrat areas are indeed police states. :lamo
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Stop the snarking and baiting. Stick to the topic, please.
 
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clownboy said:
To answer that last, yes. Although the question was framed in the same silly manner as "when did you stop beating your wife". I've never been under interrogation except in Army Basic Training as an exercise, but from that I can tell you, this wasn't an interrogation.
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As an exercise? As a training exercise? That is a PRETEND interrogation.

What the pastor went through was not a training exercise, he was being held and questioned essentially against his will. That is, he would have preferred to be back in the car with his family proceeding on their vacation. Instead, an AGENT OF THE STATE detained him.

Do you see the difference?
 
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Henry David said:
As an exercise? As a training exercise? That is a PRETEND interrogation.

What the pastor went through was not a training exercise, he was being held and questioned essentially against his will. That is, he would have preferred to be back in the car with his family proceeding on their vacation. Instead, an AGENT OF THE STATE detained him.

Do you see the difference?
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Duh! Of course it was a "pretend interrogation", but I've seen the real thing, in real life, and again, they were questioned, not interrogated. And yes, the POLICE stopped them as they should have. They asked them questions separately because well, people lie, especially people smuggling drugs.
 
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clownboy said:
Duh! Of course it was a "pretend interrogation", but I've seen the real thing, in real life, and again, they were questioned, not interrogated. And yes, the POLICE stopped them as they should have. They asked them questions separately because well, people lie, especially people smuggling drugs.
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Where did you see that real interrogation? On 24? Ticking time-bomb type? :lol:

They had no probable cause AT ALL about drug smuggling. They were, as the lawyers say, on a "fishing expedition". The Drug War is as fraudulent or even moreso than the War On Terror.

You defend and rationalize the police state tactics, others criticize them.
 
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