Officers charged in racially charged statement by State's attorney

MickeyW · May 1, 2015

clownboy said:
No, it didn't. Apprehension of those who committed petty crimes plummeted. Out of sight does not mean didn't happen.

Smarter than a reinoe...........

CRUE CAB said:
Crime did not plummet. Cops quit writing citations.

See above.

reinoe said:
So then conservatives are in favor of mass incarceration and want to prevent police/civilian interaction from being recorded? Am I reading this right? Conservatives are actually in favor of mass incarceration?

Actually, this conservative is not in favor of mass incarceration......I am however....in favor of a much broader use of the Death Penalty.

MickeyW · May 1, 2015

reinoe said:
It appears that New York didn't descent into absolute anarchy when cops stopped writing tickets for petty bull**** nobody cares about.

You are clearly....clueless and an apparent hater of authority. What's your rap sheet look like? Care to share.

MickeyW · May 1, 2015

Ikari said:
Nope, the era of unquestioned police force is over is coming to an end. There will be no place to hide.

Just getting far away from liberals and working in a conservative city, county, state....will be a huge benefit to their morale and job opportunities.
You know...places where people respect the law and never interact with cops except at the local cafe or in church. I bet that whole thing is a foreign concept to you.

Ikari said:
So they'll stop policing serious crime as well then?

Just in your neighborhood.

MickeyW · May 1, 2015

MickeyW · May 1, 2015

Gaius46 said:
Did I say any of that? Nope. Said we have too many cops. And we do.

As far as being a victim of a crime. I have been. My home was robbed about 20 years ago. The police took a report so I could file an insurance claim. That's pretty much all the police can do for most crimes.

Homes aren't robbed....people are. Homes and businesses are burglarized. Burglary is against the premises, robbery is against the person.

I do believe that there are too many cops in some areas of the US, and not enough in others.

In eastern Oregon for instance....one cop's closest backup can be an hour to two hours away. The Farmers and Ranchers in those desolate counties....ARE the backup ......and most officers have these citizens on speed dial to help them out.
I bet that is a totally foreign concept to you.....armed citizens helping cops.

Do you even own a gun and know how to use one?

clownboy · May 1, 2015

reinoe said:
It appears that New York didn't descent into absolute anarchy when cops stopped writing tickets for petty bull**** nobody cares about.

Tell that to those who were the victims of those "petty" crimes.

Gaius46 · May 1, 2015

MickeyW said:
Homes aren't robbed....people are. Homes and businesses are burglarized. Burglary is against the premises, robbery is against the person.

I do believe that there are too many cops in some areas of the US, and not enough in others.

In eastern Oregon for instance....one cop's closest backup can be an hour to two hours away. The Farmers and Ranchers in those desolate counties....ARE the backup ......and most officers have these citizens on speed dial to help them out.
I bet that is a totally foreign concept to you.....armed citizens helping cops.

Do you even own a gun and know how to use one?

Why does whether I own a gun matter in relation to this question. I do: several handguns, a couple of rifles and a shotgun, but that's completely irrelevant. No, neither the NYPD nor the SCPD, the agency covering the suburb of NY where I live now, have citizens on speed dial to help them out. Around here if you show up around a cop with a firearm you're inviting getting your ass shot.

And thank you for the correction. I know the difference but "robbed" as I used it, while not accurate legally, is the commonplace in English and isn't important to the meaning of my sentence and point. Which you didn't refute.

MickeyW · May 1, 2015

PeteEU said:
So in other words.. you would rather have incompetent corrupt cops in the force by defending them tooth and nail, that actually get any justice and getting rid of rotten apples?

You are making the same idiotic mistake as all those protestors on the street. Jumping to conclusions, based on partial evidence introduced and assuming the officers involved are guilty with NO Trial!

I suggest you STFU until the justice system works through all of this ................and it won't be done in a 60 minute TV drama minus commercials.

CRUE CAB · May 1, 2015

Ikari said:
Nope, the era of unquestioned police force is over is coming to an end. There will be no place to hide.

You mean for you. What you gonna do with out 911 to protect you?

Ikari · May 1, 2015

CRUE CAB said:
You mean for you. What you gonna do with out 911 to protect you?

Fear mongering is all you have. It's pretty telling when your arguments are reduced to nothing more than that.

Ikari · May 1, 2015

MickeyW said:
Just getting far away from liberals and working in a conservative city, county, state....will be a huge benefit to their morale and job opportunities.
You know...places where people respect the law and never interact with cops except at the local cafe or in church. I bet that whole thing is a foreign concept to you.

Just in your neighborhood.

Cameras are everywhere, even in "conservative cities". The fact of the matter is that we're approaching a point wherein the People are demanding proper restraint to government force. Nothing more.

Your side sits here and tries to peddle fear because people want accountability held towards government and to restrain its power to proper levels. It's not some anti-cop conspiracy, it's just The People exerting their proper power and pull over Government.

Hard Truth · May 1, 2015

MickeyW said:
You are making the same idiotic mistake as all those protestors on the street. Jumping to conclusions, based on partial evidence introduced and assuming the officers involved are guilty with NO Trial!

I suggest you STFU until the justice system works through all of this ................and it won't be done in a 60 minute TV drama minus commercials.

"What's your point?
If they are not doing anything wrong they won't be in trouble ! Most of those people are multiple repeat offenders and worthless scum, with hundreds of victims out there. I really feel sorry for their plight..........NOT!" (slightly modified quote from.... ...guess who?)

joko104 · May 1, 2015

There is a short list of members whose view is that if an officer threw a 12 year old to the ground and shot that 12 year old 10 times in the face this was obviously the officer acting in self defense because the kids was resisting and posed a danger of attacking the officer.

There is no point in debating them because it's like the Monte Python parrot sketch insisting the dead parrot isn't dead - and making up reasons to claim it isn't dead.

Unfortunately, it is people like them that are the greatest cause of police abuse - people who claim the police have 100% of rights and everyone else has zero rights and all laws are for police and against everyone else. .

joko104 · May 1, 2015

CRUE CAB said:
You mean for you. What you gonna do with out 911 to protect you?

Claiming that 911 "protects" people shows an extreme detachment from reality your messages are.

Obviously you now are claiming no one needs a firearm for self defense, just a cell phone with speed dial on 911 to protect them. I'll remember that on the gun threads that you claim a person only need dial 911 and that person is "protected."

As long as people like you aren't police, 911 will function how 911 always has.

joko104 · May 1, 2015

MickeyW said:
Do you even own a gun and know how to use one?

:roll:

LetsGoBrandon · May 1, 2015

MickeyW said:
In an open letter to Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby, the city police union's president said that "none of the officers involved are responsible for the death of (Freddie) Gray."

Freddie Gray death ruled homicide; officers charged - CNN.com

Never in all my years as a cop, or since, have I seen a State's attorney make such a racially charged speech, as she layed out in detail all the charges that where coming. Unbelievable!

That's the definition of Social Justice...............aka liberalism at it's ****ing best.

I am not sure the cops in this case are completely innocent, however at least at first glance it appears that the state attorney overcharged. Another prisoner states that he could tell that Grey was attempting to injure himself and apparently succeeded. Perhaps the coroners can differentiate what injuries were self inflicted from what may have been a rough ride. I don't know what the law is in regards to transporting prisoners, however there appears to be negligence regarding getting him medical help....whether that is criminal negligence or not is for the courts to decide.

LetsGoBrandon · May 1, 2015

MickeyW said:
You are making the same idiotic mistake as all those protestors on the street. Jumping to conclusions, based on partial evidence introduced and assuming the officers involved are guilty with NO Trial!

I suggest you STFU until the justice system works through all of this ................and it won't be done in a 60 minute TV drama minus commercials.

Agreed. Most of the protesters don't even want to wait for evidence. They want assumed guilt. I think the state attorney overcharged in a hurry to get it out before the press and those wanting mob justice. This should have gone through a grand jury. These cops may be guilty at some level, however it is quite doubtful that all of the charges she added are justified.

MickeyW · May 1, 2015

ObamacareFail said:
Agreed. Most of the protesters don't even want to wait for evidence. They want assumed guilt. I think the state attorney overcharged in a hurry to get it out before the press and those wanting mob justice. This should have gone through a grand jury. These cops may be guilty at some level, however it is quite doubtful that all of the charges she added are justified.

I fully agree. Well stated.

MickeyW · May 1, 2015

Gaius46 said:
Why does whether I own a gun matter in relation to this question. I do: several handguns, a couple of rifles and a shotgun, but that's completely irrelevant. No, neither the NYPD nor the SCPD, the agency covering the suburb of NY where I live now, have citizens on speed dial to help them out. Around here if you show up around a cop with a firearm you're inviting getting your ass shot.

And thank you for the correction. I know the difference but "robbed" as I used it, while not accurate legally, is the commonplace in English and isn't important to the meaning of my sentence and point. Which you didn't refute.

I just thought for a minute that you were one of those folks who think the cops can protect you....police protection is an oxymoron. Having your guns is relevant and tells me that you are willing to fend for yourself if need be.
What I was talking about speed dial was in the rural areas of the state...if you were in Portland or Eugene, you don't want to be standing there with a gun if the cops show up.
Ok, I'll stop being a smart ass....and give you credit for heads up thinking! Sorry about that.

MickeyW · May 1, 2015

LowDown said:
I heard the statement, and I've got to say that I don't see where it was racially charged. To acknowledge that the agrieved parties are mostly black isn't racist. Seems like she has a reasonable theory based on the facts.

I do think that the prosecutor may be going a bridge too far to charge the van driver with murder for what was negligence at most, but all prosecutors do that sort of thing. (Maryland may be one of those states where if the jury doesn't convict on murder they can still convict on a lesser charge of homicide.)

My CCN link left out part of her speech. This part:

MOSBY: Last, but certainly not least, to the youth of this city. I will seek justice on your behalf. This is a moment. This is your moment. Let's ensure that we have peaceful and productive rallies that will develop structural and systemic changes for generations to come. You're at the forefront of this cause, and, as young people, our time is now.

Our time is now? For what Ms. Mosby? And she isn't talking to all the people, she is talking mainly to the Black youth who did all the crime and damage to the city over the last several days. She is basically justifying their lawlessness...and she appears to have a big racial chip on her shoulder! Look at her body language coupled with her words.

And.....she presents herself like a teenager on the debate team....

As I watched her body language and listened to the words...I'm hearing....ok Whitey...you gonna pay for this **** against us Blacks!

MickeyW · May 1, 2015

Then we have that race baiter Sharpton, who spoke before Mosby....

What Reverend Sharpton is talking about is looting the legal system. When he talks about a national takeover of policing in this country, he's talking about looting the legal system.

"We need the Justice Department to step in and take over policing in this country. In the 20th century, they had to fight states’ rights to get the right to vote. We’re going to have to fight states’ rights in terms of closing down police cases. Police must be held accountable."

**** Sharpton and the horse he rode in on!

MickeyW · May 1, 2015

Oh...btw...............this is the rap sheet for Freddie Gray:

As the Baltimore #Black Lives Matter riots rage on, some interesting information has come to light about the gentleman they’re burning Baltimore down for.
According to the Maryland Department of Justice Freddie Gray had the 18 documented arrests below, at a minimum. Heavy.com reported on them below.
• March 20, 2015: Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance
• March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault
• January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing
• January 14, 2015: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute
• December 31, 2014: Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute
• December 14, 2014: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance
• August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing
• January 25, 2014: Possession of marijuana
• September 28, 2013: Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, second-degree assault, second-degree escape
• April 13, 2012: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, violation of probation
• July 16, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession with intent to distribute
• March 28, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
• March 14, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to manufacture and distribute
• February 11, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance
• August 29, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation
• August 28, 2007: Possession of marijuana
• August 23, 2007: False statement to a peace officer, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
• July 16, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance (2 counts)
Baltimore Deputy police commissioner Jerry Rodriguez stated:
“We had officers in a high-crime area known to have high narcotic incidents. The officers believe that Mr. Gray was immediately involved or recently involved in criminal activity and decided to make contact.”
Of course after Freddie Gray’s arrest, we’re all familiar with what occurred afterwards. In the meantime, it appears that thugs are burning Baltimore down for a felon and a drug dealer.

I would lose no sleep over his death.

LowDown · May 1, 2015

MickeyW said:
My CCN link left out part of her speech. This part:

MOSBY: Last, but certainly not least, to the youth of this city. I will seek justice on your behalf. This is a moment. This is your moment. Let's ensure that we have peaceful and productive rallies that will develop structural and systemic changes for generations to come. You're at the forefront of this cause, and, as young people, our time is now.

Our time is now? For what Ms. Mosby? And she isn't talking to all the people, she is talking mainly to the Black youth who did all the crime and damage to the city over the last several days. She is basically justifying their lawlessness...and she appears to have a big racial chip on her shoulder! Look at her body language coupled with her words.

And.....she presents herself like a teenager on the debate team....

As I watched her body language and listened to the words...I'm hearing....ok Whitey...you gonna pay for this **** against us Blacks!

It's necessary to address these yoots and patronize them in order to get control of the violence. And it's only a small proportion of them who are violent, anyway. Yes, I heard her patronizing blacks, but she was also calling for peace, she was critical of the violence. I don't hear her justifying violence, she regards it, she says, as counterproductive to efforts to bring justice.

She did spend a lot of time trying to reassure people that her office would apply the laws equally without regard to race, color, creed, etc.

Well, the proof is in the pudding. We'll see how it goes down in the next several months. If they don't do this fairly they will lose all moral authority to criticize whites of racism.

LowDown · May 1, 2015

MickeyW said:
Oh...btw...............this is the rap sheet for Freddie Gray:

As the Baltimore #Black Lives Matter riots rage on, some interesting information has come to light about the gentleman they’re burning Baltimore down for.
According to the Maryland Department of Justice Freddie Gray had the 18 documented arrests below, at a minimum. Heavy.com reported on them below.
• March 20, 2015: Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance
• March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault
• January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing
• January 14, 2015: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute
• December 31, 2014: Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute
• December 14, 2014: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance
• August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing
• January 25, 2014: Possession of marijuana
• September 28, 2013: Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, second-degree assault, second-degree escape
• April 13, 2012: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, violation of probation
• July 16, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession with intent to distribute
• March 28, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
• March 14, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to manufacture and distribute
• February 11, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance
• August 29, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation
• August 28, 2007: Possession of marijuana
• August 23, 2007: False statement to a peace officer, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
• July 16, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance (2 counts)
Baltimore Deputy police commissioner Jerry Rodriguez stated:
“We had officers in a high-crime area known to have high narcotic incidents. The officers believe that Mr. Gray was immediately involved or recently involved in criminal activity and decided to make contact.”
Of course after Freddie Gray’s arrest, we’re all familiar with what occurred afterwards. In the meantime, it appears that thugs are burning Baltimore down for a felon and a drug dealer.

I would lose no sleep over his death.

I don't see any crimes in that list for which he would deserve death.

That's not good for the cops, though. If he's a known frequent flyer it would be a basis for malice.

PeteEU · May 1, 2015

MickeyW said:
You are making the same idiotic mistake as all those protestors on the street. Jumping to conclusions, based on partial evidence introduced and assuming the officers involved are guilty with NO Trial!

Only one making conclusions here is you, assuming the cops did nothing wrong. We know the charges and some of the evidence... it looks like a slam dunk on at least the breaking of police procedure and that this lead to the death. That they did not put him in a seat belt is enough to convict them of manslaughter.

I suggest you STFU until the justice system works through all of this ................and it won't be done in a 60 minute TV drama minus commercials.

The American justice system is a joke....

Officers charged in racially charged statement by State's attorney

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