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Death Penalty – for or against?[W:306]

Death Penalty

  • For

    Votes: 46 46.9%

  • Against

    Votes: 47 48.0%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 5 5.1%
  • Total voters
    98
Re: Death Penalty – for or against?

Dittohead not! said:
If my child or grandchild were to be raped and killed, I'd want the (bleep!) who did it to suffer in a supermax for the rest of his miserable life.
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Did you ever see that video that came out of prison from Richard Speck and his little butt buddy where he bragged about his life behind bars and what a hell of a time he was having in there?

Sorry - but there are some scum who even can exploit others and gave a great time in prison - even the worst sort of prison.

Some people are just six feet of walking talking excrement stacked high and stinking up society. I do NOT want to pay 40 grand a year to keep them in a cage. Flush the dam toilet.
 
Re: Death Penalty – for or against?

haymarket said:
Did you ever see that video that came out of prison from Richard Speck and his little butt buddy where he bragged about his life behind bars and what a hell of a time he was having in there?

Sorry - but there are some scum who even can exploit others and gave a great time in prison - even the worst sort of prison.

Some people are just six feet of walking talking excrement stacked high and stinking up society. I do NOT want to pay 40 grand a year to keep them in a cage. Flush the dam toilet.
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As long as the unreformable are quarantined from the rest of society, I couldn't care less how they operate their own personal little hell.
 
Re: Death Penalty – for or against?

Thrilla said:
he application of justice ( which necessarily includes punishments) , according to the laws and standards of a society , is not uncivilized in any shape form or fashion.... it's pretty much the backbone of civilization itself.
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If fairly applied. The DP is not.
 
Re: Death Penalty – for or against?

Cardinal said:
It's statistically unlikely that each of my 12,304 posts are wrong, whereas you are now batting zero for two.
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Nicely done.
 
Re: Death Penalty – for or against?

Bitter Clinger said:
Actually I misspoke I will stipulate that every single one of your posts was wrong and any future posts will be as well....now that we have that out of the way. While we are at it I might as well suggest that we need a change in the system of voting in the United States. Votes in Federal elections should be weighted for individuals based upon dollars of Federal Income Taxes paid. Stated another way, if a person pays $10 in Federal Income Taxes and I pay $5000, my vote would carry 500X the weight of theirs. It is also important to note that I stipulated Income Taxes which would NOT include Employment Taxes. The one additional step that is likely required to make the system work would be to declare a Federal Income Tax Amnesty period to be followed by a change in the color of the currency. The existing currency could only be exchanged for the new currency with a valid receipt or other proof that taxes had been paid on the funds :lol:
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You are derailing the thread - i suggest becoming familiar with the polices here.
 
Re: Death Penalty – for or against?

ttwtt78640 said:
I am for the DP but against the "unusual" way that it is now used. Punishment, as per the constitution, must neither be cruel nor unusual. IMHO, LWOP is more cruel since it is also a life (until death) sentence but the manner of death is left to chance - often painful, debilitating and slow and limited to being in a cage with the company of, mainly, violent scumbags. The unusual part is my objection - in any case that no release is legally possible before death (LWOP) then the DP is simply more efficient and more humane. Having a 3-year delay between sentencing and execution (the same as the window on an IRS tax audit) is sufficient time for a reasonable appeal process to unfold.
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When carrying out capital punishment, I don't think the method should be specifically designed to be cruel or painful, however I don't think they should intentionally make it comfortable either. Convicted killers did not give their victims such consideration. We do not need to be squeamish. Shoot them, hang them, use lethal injection, electrocute them....whatever. Their comfort is not important.
 
Re: Death Penalty – for or against?

Dittohead not! said:
Against.

For one thing, the power of life and death is too much authority to give to a government agency.
For another, it costs more to execute a prisoner than it does to keep them locked up.
For a third, the death row inmates get appeal after appeal, and could wind up getting out even though guilty.
For another, once a prisoner is put to death, it's too late to let them go if they are found to be innocent. Check the innocence project stats.
For another, a quick and painless death is actually less of a punishment than life without parole.
The only valid argument for the death penalty is that some criminals will plead guilty in exchange for the death penalty being taken off the table.

The arguments against overwhelm the arguments for, IMO.
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It's only more expensive because of bleeding heart liberals extending to the appeal process to insane levels.....even when there is no doubt whatsoever about guilt.
 
Re: Death Penalty – for or against?

Chagos said:
Against.

Plenty of considerations of the moral (ethical) type, plenty of cases where innocents have (or would have) been executed, here to me the most pertinent are:

1) deterrant effect not evidenced
2) economic advantages not evidenced.

Wrt the latter, one prisoner on Death Row up til his/her execution costs more than one in for life.

The ethics etc. I mention further up have no doubt been explored ad infinitum elsewhere before, so I won't expand.
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No deterrent effect? Have you heard of any executed killers who have went on to kill again>
 
Re: Death Penalty – for or against?

Cardinal said:
As long as the unreformable are quarantined from the rest of society, I couldn't care less how they operate their own personal little hell.
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But that is the point. HELL does not describe what they are experiencing. For some - its heaven.
 
Re: Death Penalty – for or against?

ttwtt78640 said:
Recovery/restitution is impossible for the murder victim(s) so it should be off the table for the perp as well.
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Agreed. Bring their victims back to life and we can consider it.
 
Re: Death Penalty – for or against?

haymarket said:
But that is the point. HELL does not describe what they are experiencing. For some - its heaven.
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For me, one aspect of the Social Contract is that we give up our right to dispense justice according to our whims in return for continuity and order. Obviously this can, in my mind, go too far. Giving up our right to dispense the appropriately gruesome punishment for the appropriate crime is not going too far. IMHO.
 
Re: Death Penalty – for or against?

ttwtt78640 said:
If the convicted criminal is NEVER going to be set free (LWOP) then they have already been sentenced until death - what. exactly, does society gain by delaying that death for as long as possible?
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Letting them life their natural life behind bars.
 
Re: Death Penalty – for or against?

JANFU said:
Letting them life their natural life behind bars.
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Personally, that would suck way more. Admittedly, I've never been put to the test as so many others have: willingly live a brutal life of slavery or confinement in return for the promise, however unlikely, of eventual freedom.
 
Re: Death Penalty – for or against?

Dittohead not! said:
If my child or grandchild were to be raped and killed, I'd want the (bleep!) who did it to suffer in a supermax for the rest of his miserable life.
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DP is nothing but vengeance, it is also full of errors, also not imposed on a fair basis, racially biased, 2% of the counties in the US set the most DP sentences in the US.
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Re: Death Penalty – for or against?

Cardinal said:
Personally, that would suck way more. Admittedly, I've never been put to the test as so many others have: willingly live a brutal life of slavery or confinement in return for the promise, however unlikely, of eventual freedom.
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Me I would take the DP if offered. It is an easy way out.
 
Re: Death Penalty – for or against?

JANFU said:
Me I would take the DP if offered. It is an easy way out.
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Eh, don't underestimate the will to live. Millions of people enduring slavery for thousands years didn't happen by accident.
 
Re: Death Penalty – for or against?

Cardinal said:
Eh, don't underestimate the will to live. Millions of people enduring slavery for thousands years didn't happen by accident.
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Depends upon life experience. If you have had situations where you should have been killed, that changes the person.
Off topic, but rotting away a lingering death like ALS, well my wife and family know my opinion.
Reason it was brought up to the family I have a high risk of one of those diseases. They are not aware of this.
 
Re: Death Penalty – for or against?

ttwtt78640 said:
But with an LWOP sentence they have already done that - the only variables are when death will happen and at what cost (to society and other inmates).
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Yeah.

Now I have no statistics on how many actually top themselves in jail due to it being unbearable but I'd assume the number of those not doing it would be higher. So maybe not everybody seeing it that way is a probability. Nevertheless I'm not concerned with the culprit's general well being, physically or mentally, I'm more interested in that of society.

And to address society's economic well being, I've already pointed out that a "lifer" comes cheaper than one on Death Row.
 
Re: Death Penalty – for or against?

Cardinal said:
For me, one aspect of the Social Contract is that we give up our right to dispense justice according to our whims in return for continuity and order. Obviously this can, in my mind, go too far. Giving up our right to dispense the appropriately gruesome punishment for the appropriate crime is not going too far. IMHO.
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I certainly understand and cannot argue with that. For a very long time I was against the death penalty and cannot disagree with how you feel.

I simply feel that there are people in our society who should not be in our society nor in any sub strata of it and that includes prisons. There are simply people who should be terminated as they are of no use to anyone including themselves and are a waste of our limited resources.
 
Re: Death Penalty – for or against?

Chagos said:
Yeah.

Now I have no statistics on how many actually top themselves in jail due to it being unbearable but I'd assume the number of those not doing it would be higher. So maybe not everybody seeing it that way is a probability. Nevertheless I'm not concerned with the culprit's general well being, physically or mentally, I'm more interested in that of society.

And to address society's economic well being, I've already pointed out that a "lifer" comes cheaper than one on Death Row.
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Why is a lifer cheaper than one on death row?
 
Re: Death Penalty – for or against?

ObamacareFail said:
It's only more expensive because of bleeding heart liberals extending to the appeal process to insane levels.....even when there is no doubt whatsoever about guilt.
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"Bleeding heart liberals" are a fact of life we have to live with.

So are people convicted of crimes that they didn't commit.
 
Re: Death Penalty – for or against?

Cardinal said:
Eh, don't underestimate the will to live. Millions of people enduring slavery for thousands years didn't happen by accident.
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and yet, they take prisoners' belts away so they won't use them to hang themselves.
 
Re: Death Penalty – for or against?

Dittohead not! said:
"Bleeding heart liberals" are a fact of life we have to live with.

So are people convicted of crimes that they didn't commit.
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So let's execute only those whose guilt is not in doubt. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
 
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