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Game and Fish Laws

BrewerBob said:
I am neutral on them, so no I don't report it. If they were targeting some endangered species or something I might report them. I don't report people for breaking the law unless I think they are doing real harm.
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So bag limits?
 
stonewall50 said:
No. I assume the job of game and fish and wildlife biologists is though. Given that that is literally their job title. Besides. Who else is protecting the game and fish? And humans are destructive as hell.



LMAO!! Yes. They have. You can kill INVASIVE species without a hunting license in Florida. Additionally anyone releasing these species into the wild would be facing STIFF penalties and possibly jail time.

ADDITIONALLY you certainly cannot own certain species, like the Burmese Python.

Do you actually hunt here? Do you know the regulations?



Political money? Or just money? Because I haven't heard anything about political money.



INVASIVE species are not protected. Kill all you want.



Is that what this is? You want to hunt government land? You realize that some of these protections are there NOT for the game, but because of POS poachers. The "permits" where you are limited are WMAs. These are managed lands. They don't want you going in killing native species claiming you are killing pythons.



What is there to police? Wouldn't you be screaming that you aren't allowed to own a Burmese Python in Florida?
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Rather than go into it by detail, there isn't really any basis for a debate with someone whose asserted truisms are that people outside of government are POSs and people in government are of pure hearts and minds.

WMAs exist primarily for job security by assuring there is an endless supply of destructive invasive species by insuring safe breeding havens, but also for other matters of jobs creation, expansion and security.

Generally, the science is for hire to the highest bidder. I used to post quite a bit about these topics and with exact examples, but the fact is that the majority of people - admitting it or not - are government junkies who worship government and those of it as their moral superiors and masters. They may more worship those on the left or those on the right of government - as that is defined by the team playing, and questioning it now is basically considered just conspiracy crazy theories.

Many in wildlife and nature management would kill species to keep them endangers for the money and power of it and bulldoze nature down if it's get them a promotion, pay increase, more staff, more budget and/or reason to seize more land. Not all of course, but the legitimate ones tend to be the low rankers.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I would point out that if you don't know the laws and regulations regarding an area or body of water, all you have to do is call up the local game and fish office and ask them.
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No, but on non-government working hours (M-F) at each country tax office and there will be dozens and dozens of small print brochure with for each park, lake and river in the County. This does not include all general state and federal hunting, fishing, hours and usage regulations.
 
Absolutely. At the most basic level, consumption of a limited resource must be regulated. Hunters and fishers have shown repeatedly they cannot self-regulate, and so someone must do it for them.
 
stonewall50 said:
How do you feel about them? Are you aware of the laws? How do you feel about those who violate them? Do you call the law if you see someone violating them?
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Game and fish laws are legion, exactly which laws is this thread about?
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I would point out that if you don't know the laws and regulations regarding an area or body of water, all you have to do is call up the local game and fish office and ask them.
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Yeah, they'll be happy to drive out and give you a citation for each law you're breaking, and then you'll know :lol:

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SouthernDemocrat said:
I support them. I grew up hunting and am an avid fisherman. Every game and fish law I have ever seen was based in science. They don't just come up with them off the top of their head, they are based in the studies and recommendations of fisheries and wildlife biologists. Sure, some states have stricter ones than others, and arguably some states may be too strict on some creel limits while others are too lenient, but that has more to do with the local goals of the agency - for example, whether they are going for more fish or larger fish.

That all said, it would have be a very egregious violation before I would consider ever turning someone in. I don't rat people out, but I also don't have any sympathy for a poacher that gets caught either.
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The law which says you can't use a sound suppressor to hunt, what science is that based off of?
 
stonewall50 said:
So you are a snitch for doing the right thing?
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So if you're, say, visiting family in Pennsylvania, and you see someone hunting on Sunday, you're calling the cops? They're not doing anything else wrong, just that it's Sunday. You're calling the game warden over it. And if they have a hunting dog too, BAM, double whammy!

If you're out hiking or whatever in Montana and you come across a trail camera, you're calling the cops. You want that camera fingerprinted and NCIS to find out who it belongs to and gosh darnit you want that person tossed in prison! And after justice has been served you head right out to the local outdoors store, while shopping around you happen to see a display of...dun dun DUUUNN...lumenoks! Get that sheriff back here, there's crime to be stopped!

Can you imagine the frustration a hunter in Kansas must feel when he discovers a pheasant that won't take flight? Though I'm sure if said hunter shoots the bird while it's standing there, you're calling the cops, just because the bird wasn't flying at the moment it was shot, you think that's worth prison time.

You see a hunter in Wisconsin wearing a camo jacket? 911 has you on a first name basis by now.

"..the right thing", give me a ****ing break :roll:
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
I support them. I grew up hunting and am an avid fisherman. Every game and fish law I have ever seen was based in science. They don't just come up with them off the top of their head, they are based in the studies and recommendations of fisheries and wildlife biologists. Sure, some states have stricter ones than others, and arguably some states may be too strict on some creel limits while others are too lenient, but that has more to do with the local goals of the agency - for example, whether they are going for more fish or larger fish.

That all said, it would have be a very egregious violation before I would consider ever turning someone in. I don't rat people out, but I also don't have any sympathy for a poacher that gets caught either.
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The Oklahoma law stipulating that you can't kill an albino deer without written permission from the game warden, what science is that law based on?

It seems to me that if albino deer are to be given any special attention, it's that an albino deer shouldn't count towards your limit since removing it from the herd is good for the herd.
 
joko104 said:
No, but on non-government working hours (M-F) at each country tax office and there will be dozens and dozens of small print brochure with for each park, lake and river in the County. This does not include all general state and federal hunting, fishing, hours and usage regulations.
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And the book of those regulations is available at any gun counter in any Walmart. Moreover, its online at the Game and Fish Websites.
 
Jerry said:
The law which says you can't use a sound suppressor to hunt, what science is that based off of?
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Most likely its based on the notion that if someone is shooting, others in the area need to be able to hear it well. Yes I know a suppressor does not actually silence a gun, but it does cut down on the noise by a fair margin and in a lot of areas you got hunters basically right on top of each other thus they need to know when someone is shooting near them. This is particularly true with turkey hunting.
 
If I saw someone hunting out of season, shooting from a car or the road, or witness someone failing to tag their kill I would turn them in. Or shooting an endangered species (except the spotted owl because I don't see spotted owls)

If I saw them shooting a deer with a rifle otherwise not permitted like a .223 or .22-250 I probably wouldn't tell

Of course I do not hunt, but I hike year round and interact with hunters all the time, I've been through hunters education I have a general idea of the rules. Game warden gave me some flak because he asked to see my license while I was hiking once. Had an an orange vest and was carrying my revolver openly so he thought I was hunting now I carry concealed during modern season

Yes I do believe in the fish and wildlife laws
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
Most likely its based on the notion that if someone is shooting, others in the area need to be able to hear it well.
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You said:
SouthernDemocrat said:
Every game and fish law I have ever seen was based in science. They don't just come up with them off the top of their head, they are based in the studies and recommendations of fisheries and wildlife biologists.
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Where is the study, the science, behind the no-silencer laws?

SouthernDemocrat said:
Yes I know a suppressor does not actually silence a gun...
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I'm not one of those retards who runs around "derr it's not a silencer herp derp". When companies name themselves Dakota Silencer, for example, IMO that places the term in fair use in all but the most technical of discussions.

SouthernDemocrat said:
....but it does cut down on the noise by a fair margin and in a lot of areas you got hunters basically right on top of each other thus they need to know when someone is shooting near them.
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Think about what you just said for a second. The sound doesn't come out until the gun is fired, so if someone is in the background, by the time they hear the gunshot, it's to late. You're correct, though, that hunters do need to be aware of where other hunters are before they shoot, so since guns don't make sound until they're shot and it's to late to warn others, hunters typically wear blaze orange clothing.
 
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EMNofSeattle said:
If I saw someone hunting out of season, shooting from a car or the road, or witness someone failing to tag their kill I would turn them in. Or shooting an endangered species (except the spotted owl because I don't see spotted owls)

If I saw them shooting a deer with a rifle otherwise not permitted like a .223 or .22-250 I probably wouldn't tell

Of course I do not hunt, but I hike year round and interact with hunters all the time, I've been through hunters education I have a general idea of the rules. Game warden gave me some flak because he asked to see my license while I was hiking once. Had an an orange vest and was carrying my revolver openly so he thought I was hunting now I carry concealed during modern season

Yes I do believe in the fish and wildlife laws
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So if you saw someone trap and capture a Golden Eagle, you would call the cops?
 
Jerry said:
So if you saw someone trap and capture a Golden Eagle, you would call the cops?
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Yes I would. Trapping gold eagles is illegal. And if he has some sort of super special license the courts will sort it out
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Yes I would. Trapping gold eagles is illegal. And if he has some sort of super special license the courts will sort it out
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So you want a Master Falconer to go to court every single time some nutball who knows nothing about the law calls the cops?

Have you ever known a poacher take an animal alive? Let me clue you in: if a plain-clothes person is making no attempt to hide what they're doing, if they're taking the animal alive, freeing the animal from the trap, inspecting it's heath, measuring dimensions to classify it's age, then placing a hood on the animal and putting it in a cage in their backseat....I'll bet dollars to doughnuts it's not a poacher. It's ether a wildlife refuge volunteer or a falconer.

But you want them to have to go to court over it anyway, even though Game, Fish & Parks has already inspected their home to ensure proper facilities, and the person has held a falconry licence for 8+ years and has passed numerous state-issued written tests prior to being issued their Master Falconry license. That's just bananas.

You sound like the kind of person who just likes being a busy-body and causing problems. A griefer.
 
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Jerry said:
So you want a Master Falconer to go to court every single time some nutball who knows nothing about the law calls the cops?

Have you ever known a poacher take an animal alive? Let me clue you in: if a plane-clothes person is making no attempt to hid what they're doing, if they're taking the animal alive, freeing from the trap, inspecting it's heath, measuring dimensions to classify it's age, then placing a hood on the animal and putting it in a cage in their backseat....I'll bet dollars to doughnuts it's not a poacher. It's ether a wildlife refuge volunteer or a falconer.

But you want them to have to go to court over it anyway, even though Game, Fish & Parks has already inspected their home to ensure proper facilities, and the person has held a falconry licence for 8+ years and has passed numerous state-issued written tests prior to being issued their Master Falconry license. That's just bananas.
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If they have their license with then the game warden will say have a nice day and leave. You ever been inspected by fish and game? If your paperwork is in order nothing will happen.

Poachers take live catches all the time, maybe not of gold eagles, but it happens
 
lizzie said:
I am very familiar with them. I don't necessarily like them, but because of how stupid some people can be, they are probably necessary. Would I call the game warden if I saw someone breaking them? Only if they were poaching on my own private property. Otherwise no- I'm not interested in being a busybody snitch.
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I agree although I am not at all familiar with any of the laws except you need a license.


Probably the closet thing I've come across to witnessing some kind of game violation was this neighbor that would go down under this bridge a couple blocks away and shoot pigeons with a pellet gun but since he was cooking and eating them I didn't really see any problems. I guess if it was something more serious I might have said something. But yeah I would probably go talk to them about it first before calling them in.
 
joko104 said:
ALL messages above show the problem. Welcome to the new America where government is the pure motivated saviors for the evil humans and saving the nature. Everyone assumes OF COURSE the sole motive of government is to protect nature and are the experts in doing so.

In Florida, the devastating effects of evasive species is LONG known. Does the government that are protectors of the environment pass laws outlawing them. NO. There is a LOT of political money in the exotic pets business. SO nature, indigenous species, are being obliterated.

BUT, OF COURSE, certainly state government and the environmental protectors of it want the evasive species stopped and destroyed, right?

NO, absolutely not. Government land is the safe-base and breeding ground for the invasive species because the government protects them there. Oh, the game people themselves will go out and trap a few - spending a couple thousand dollars to catch 1 or pythons in a small zone with thousands, but hell will freeze over before they will allow sport hunters to trap and kill them, or kill wild hogs or hunt any other destructive species on government land.

Environmental problems protects and created government jobs, more budgets and basis for promotions. MONEY, personal money and personal power, is far more of a motivator than do-goodism, including in government. However, while government definitely can police you, no one polices the government within it's own affairs and jurisdictional areas.
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interesting. but imo not historically correct.

Are you suggesting private business with no rules would be good for the environment?
Are you suggesting private citizens with no rules would be good for the enviroment?

Just look at the illegal dumping of trash on federal/state lands. How about uncontrolled atv use. Uncontrolled mining, O&G development, timber harvesting, hunting a species with no limits. Yep, works well for the environment.

So what is your answer to the environmental problems?
 
EMNofSeattle said:
If they have their license with then the game warden will say have a nice day and leave. You ever been inspected by fish and game? If your paperwork is in order nothing will happen.
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You said:
EMNofSeattle said:
And if he has some sort of super special license the courts will sort it out
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That statement tells everyone that you don't hunt or fish and have never been inspected by Fish&Game. News Flash: If you have the proper paperwork, it never goes to court. But you said you wanted the courts to sort it out, and since you have to be charged with a crime in order for it to go to court, you want a perfectly legal activity to result in criminal charges when you see it.

As my son says "you're crAzey bonkeEers"
 
Jerry said:
You said:

That statement tells everyone that you don't hunt or fish and have never been inspected by Fish&Game. News Flash: If you have the proper paperwork, it never goes to court. But you said you wanted the courts to sort it out, and since you have to be charged with a crime in order for it to go to court, you want a perfectly legal activity to result in criminal charges when you see it.

As my son says "you're crAzey bonkeEers"
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You're reading much too far into this.
I get that you don't think people should snitch on poachers because in some contrived scenario they may actually be following the law. Whatever
 
EMNofSeattle said:
You're reading much too far into this.
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Just what's typed. I know this is America but words still have definitions, especially when it comes to law.

EMNofSeattle said:
I get that you don't think people should snitch on poachers because in some contrived scenario they may actually be following the law. Whatever
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I think you can't tell a poacher from a legitimate sportsman.
 
Jerry said:
Just what's typed. I know this is America but words still have definitions, especially when it comes to law.


I think you can't tell a poacher from a legitimate sportsman.
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It doesn't matter if I can or can't, I'm not approaching or arresting you, the game warden will. Playing stupid gotchya games over trapping eagles and trailcams in Montana is silly.
 
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