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Blackwater Guards Who Killed 14 Innocent Iraqi Civilians Finally Found Guilty

PirateMk1 said:
They never should have been charged.
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Politics gets uglier everyday, does it not ?

I was not present at the incident nor the trials; but the evidence I read and heard might not indicate guilt but response to an apparent attack ... from a distance this seems a questionable decision.

Something reeks here and it's challenging to determine the cause of the odor.

It has become difficult to trust any governmental function.

Thom Paine
 
PirateMk1 said:
They never should have been charged.
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Yea we shouldnt charge private companies that are accused of tax dodging and fraud, and when under policy investigation telling investigators that they will murder them with any account of shooting at unarmed civilians. We are over there to stop the threat of terrorism, how can we as a nation endorse a private company spreading terrorism in a nation we are currently trying to save from terrorism?

Its like saying i am doing my best effort to stop child molestation but im going to endorse NAMBLA
 
Better late than never, it seems justice was served, many years later.
 
They were like ISIS. Only difference is they don't use the chopping board.
 
PirateMk1 said:
They never should have been charged.
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People who commit crimes need to be charged, get a fair trail and if guilty punished. That is how the rule of law works. They were found guilty and now must face their punishment.
 
Grand Mal said:
I couldn't find in the report who convicted them. Where were they tried, and by whom?
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In the US in front of a federal court, they were convicted during a jury trial so a jury of their peers convicted them. Reuters described them as a "Washington jury" so I would assume the trial took place in federal court in Washington DC.
 
There is an old Hungarian proverb that loosely translated says that 'fish starts smelling at the head, but it is cleaned from the tail'...
 
notquiteright said:
They never should have been hired.
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Are you kidding, or just naïve?

The exhibited the type of behavior that gets people hired by mercenary armies. They are hired killers, and zeal is one of the qualities those armies seek.
 
Peter King said:
People who commit crimes need to be charged, get a fair trail and if guilty punished. That is how the rule of law works. They were found guilty and now must face their punishment.
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They were in a war zone, as armed combatants. These charges are bull****.
 
PirateMk1 said:
They were in a war zone, as armed combatants. These charges are bull****.
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These charges clearly are no bull crap. They can be happy they were tried in the US, now they got a fair trial and the odds are very good that they were correctly tried and convicted. In Iraq they would have all been found guilty after a nonsense excuse for a trial and then put to death (or lifetime sentences in jails that are as good as death punishments).
 
Peter King said:
These charges clearly are no bull crap. They can be happy they were tried in the US, now they got a fair trial and the odds are very good that they were correctly tried and convicted. In Iraq they would have all been found guilty after a nonsense excuse for a trial and then put to death (or lifetime sentences in jails that are as good as death punishments).
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That's your opinion. I beg to differ.
 
Henry David said:
Are you kidding, or just naïve? The exhibited the type of behavior that gets people hired by mercenary armies. They are hired killers, and zeal is one of the qualities those armies seek.
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Ummmm no... I served as a Grunt- it is NOT the zeal armies seek... unrestricted killing is a double edged sword. The SS massacres in WWII helped convince GIs to fight rather than surrender. The tortured bodies of GIs found in Korea brought a halt to surrendering far more than any General's edict.

Indiscriminate firing into civilians create far more enemies than it ever deterred.

But I agree, to a degree, with you on merc units. Killing without conscience is an 'asset' to the contract corporation, but this bunch was more a panicked crew that started blazing away in an ill thought out fleeing of a mortar attack IIRC. The actual experience level of the team was very low as they were low ranking vets who left the military thinking they could make big bucks in a merc unit and were above the UCMJ and thus untouchable.

As a former Houston PD Officer who was part of a US AID crew said in one of his 29 day visits back home back in the heyday of contractor work- "As long as you can articulate a reason for using deadly force, you are golden."

That has proven to be a false statement.

He was soon out of a job... former soldiers from Eastern Europe were hired at a much lower pay rate... :shock:

Outsourcing- it isn't just to replace Union Workers.... :peace
 
notquiteright said:
Ummmm no... I served as a Grunt- it is NOT the zeal armies seek... unrestricted killing is a double edged sword. The SS massacres in WWII helped convince GIs to fight rather than surrender. The tortured bodies of GIs found in Korea brought a halt to surrendering far more than any General's edict.

Indiscriminate firing into civilians create far more enemies than it ever deterred.

But I agree, to a degree, with you on merc units. Killing without conscience is an 'asset' to the contract corporation, but this bunch was more a panicked crew that started blazing away in an ill thought out fleeing of a mortar attack IIRC. The actual experience level of the team was very low as they were low ranking vets who left the military thinking they could make big bucks in a merc unit and were above the UCMJ and thus untouchable.

As a former Houston PD Officer who was part of a US AID crew said in one of his 29 day visits back home back in the heyday of contractor work- "As long as you can articulate a reason for using deadly force, you are golden."

That has proven to be a false statement.

He was soon out of a job... former soldiers from Eastern Europe were hired at a much lower pay rate... :shock:

Outsourcing- it isn't just to replace Union Workers.... :peace
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Have you any numbers regarding the annual salary of a US Army E-5 compared to the annual salary of a low to mid level Xe employee?
 
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