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Lots of animals have "no Nos". Approach a horse the wrong way and it will kick hard enough to kill. Hell, feed it an apple wrong and you can lose a finger.

As I said, Ive seen more than one kid get bit teasing a dog by blowing it in the face. In dog to dog interactions they nip at each other. That is their nature. "Nipping" and "biting" are not the same behavior but end up in the "bite" column anyway.

Teaching your kids not to poke bears is the parents responsibility. (Not saying dog owners don't need to teach dogs boundaries, just that parents need tto teach their kids not to test those boundaries.)

Yes, this is the parents' responsibility. Unfortunately, teaching kids is a process, and sadly, sometimes there is no learning curve. I wouldn't have a toddler/little kid around any dog unsupervised or a cat either.
 
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Yes, this is the parents' responsibility. Unfortunately, teaching kids is a process, and sadly, sometimes there is no learning curve. I wouldn't have a toddler/little kid around any dog unsupervised or a cat either.

Here in Mexico the parents go to the extreme. The kids are taught any dog will bite them so kids grow up scared of dogs.

I was in front of my house one morning and there was this woman with a Young girl, 5, passing by on the other side of the Street. I had one of my dogs with me in the front yard.

I Heard the mother tell the daughter to run by fast because the dog is going to bite her.

I noticed the 2 but the dog was doing whatever dogs do, not paying attention that there was even people in front of the house.

Another time I took one of my dogs to my sons 1st grade class and talked a Little about the dog.

One of the boys in the class was petrified of dogs for the same reason but I did get him to pet my dog, which the teacher told me later was a huge deal.
 
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I was always scared of dogs as a little kid, especially the vicious little yippers.

And I will always be a "cat person." But I have been grateful for my doggies. My first grew up with my kids and was their protector. When they were off down the road and up to no good, he'd come home to snitch them off. Seriously. He was a 90-pound German shepherd/black Lab mix (Rin-Tin-Tin's great-granddaughter and a low-rent rendezvous). Lived 12 years, as did doggie #2, a Great Dane/Rottweiler. His headstone is not far from my bedroom window. Along the way there was an Akita rescue, but when she turned on another dog for no reason, she was euthanized.

I have great hopes for my little pit puppy. She's very smart and is being schooled by the Aussie and the cats. As I've said, I don't expect to have any trouble at all with her and love her very much. But pit pulls do deserve their reputation. It's not their fault; not at all, but it is deserved.
 
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I was always scared of dogs as a little kid, especially the vicious little yippers.

And I will always be a "cat person." But I have been grateful for my doggies. My first grew up with my kids and was their protector. When they were off down the road and up to no good, he'd come home to snitch them off. Seriously. He was a 90-pound German shepherd/black Lab mix (Rin-Tin-Tin's great-granddaughter and a low-rent rendezvous). Lived 12 years, as did doggie #2, a Great Dane/Rottweiler. His headstone is not far from my bedroom window. Along the way there was an Akita rescue, but when she turned on another dog for no reason, she was euthanized.

I have great hopes for my little pit puppy. She's very smart and is being schooled by the Aussie and the cats. As I've said, I don't expect to have any trouble at all with her and love her very much. But pit pulls do deserve their reputation. It's not their fault; not at all, but it is deserved.

It is funny, every post in this thread refer to dogs by their breed.

All 5 of mine, as matter of fact all but 1 dog I have had, have been from the street extremely mixed. It would be funny to get the laundry list of the breeds that make up my dogs.

Street dogs are smart and after they have experienced the street, they protect me and the house with all they have. They don't want to go back to the street for anything.

People always ask me what breed my dogs are. I answer they will have to ask the dog because I have no idea.
 
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Cats too? They can **** up a baby or small child too.

yeah right, please post some news stories of house cats killing kids and get back to me.
 
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I Heard the mother tell the daughter to run by fast because the dog is going to bite her.

The mother was ignorant. If you really believe a predator is going to attack you. The last thing you do is run.
 
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For the first time ever, I am inclined to agree with a widespread ban of the breed. Here is my reason: There are a significant number of people who seem intent on destroying the breed through a twisted criteria for selective breeding. It is very sad, because I have lived with them before, and they are such sweet dogs. But, I see no other way to prevent what is happening.

However, I am not certain that this will even work. If pit bulls are denied to these idiots, what other breed will they latch onto? Any large breed could be ruined in exactly the same manner. Pit bulls were a very decent breed until a bunch of assholes came along to ruin it. Maybe we should be finding a way to stop people from breeding bad dogs instead of banning breeds wholesale?

This is exactly it. Pit bulls are just the most recent.

At various points in the 20th century, you will find a variety of breeds who had the same reputation that pit bulls now have: shepherds, rotties, dobermans, etc.

People will just pick a different breed. And ultimately, none of them are innately "ruined." They are just owned by abusive people, and thus become insane. Even if their owner isn't a dog fighter per se, a lot of people who are just generally nasty will go for the current "mean dog" breed, slap them around a bit, fail to train them to do anything else, and just let them terrorize people from the yard. If you deny a dog comfort and are constantly trying to rile them into striking back, yes, they'll be mean, even if you're not doing dedicated fighting training.

Pit bulls are not mean dogs. In fact, for quite a long time, they were referred to as "nurse maid dogs," for their gentleness with children.

I personally have never met a mean pit. I love them. But then again, the pits I know are owned by decent people.

Just decent people. Not gifted dog trainers. Just decent. They don't have to be perfect, or keep their pit on an incredibly short leash. They just have to be nice to them, and provide appropriate outlets for all that energy, like with any other big active dog. I know some pits who are perhaps a little bit under-trained, and they're still sweet as pie, even if they do sometimes get excited and want to get on your lap as if they were a chihuahua.

Speaking of chihuahuas, that is actually a breed that I tend to be much more careful around. Chihuahuas are perfectly nice dogs, but a lot of people tend to do things that make them nervous and deny them a sense of territory, in addition to doing no training whatsoever and under-exercising them, which can make them pretty neurotic. I've had chihuahuas snap at me before, but never a pit.

Pits who are treated like any other dog breed seem to be some of the dopiest, happiest dogs around. If I were ever to get a big dog (not likely while my nervous kitteh is still with me, but if I did...) a pit would actually be pretty high on my list.
 
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I was always scared of dogs as a little kid, especially the vicious little yippers.

And I will always be a "cat person." But I have been grateful for my doggies. My first grew up with my kids and was their protector. When they were off down the road and up to no good, he'd come home to snitch them off. Seriously. He was a 90-pound German shepherd/black Lab mix (Rin-Tin-Tin's great-granddaughter and a low-rent rendezvous). Lived 12 years, as did doggie #2, a Great Dane/Rottweiler. His headstone is not far from my bedroom window. Along the way there was an Akita rescue, but when she turned on another dog for no reason, she was euthanized.

I have great hopes for my little pit puppy. She's very smart and is being schooled by the Aussie and the cats. As I've said, I don't expect to have any trouble at all with her and love her very much. But pit pulls do deserve their reputation. It's not their fault; not at all, but it is deserved.

Dogs don't attack for no reason. You may not know what the reason was, but I assure you it is not random. 90% of dog communication is silent. You probably missed something between the two.
 
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Dogs don't attack for no reason. You may not know what the reason was, but I assure you it is not random. 90% of dog communication is silent. You probably missed something between the two.

Well, sure, she attacked the older dog because she wanted to be dominant. She did it while the other dog was asleep, though.
 
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yeah right, please post some news stories of house cats killing kids and get back to me.

Dude, you should never leave a cat with a baby. Have you seen a cat in kill mode? I have. Even as an adult, it's friggin' terrifying. Most housecats, like any domestic animal, will tolerate a fair amount, but once you flick that switch, they are killers.

A cat bite will almost always lead to infection unless treated IMMEDIATELY (within minutes of it happening). And that's an adult with a fully functional immune system. With a baby, cut that down by more than half.

A good swipe by a cat can easily take out a baby's eye.

Cats aren't "vicious" either -- I'm a cat lover. But babies don't realize kitty doesn't like having their ear yanked off, and just like any animal, a cat will react if you hurt them. A baby isn't much bigger than a cat, and cats are quite capable of killing each other.

No animal should ever be around a small child without supervision, because any of them can inflict serious harm in the very likely event that the baby does something they see as a threat. And children should start being trained how to treat animals as soon as they're old enough to understand language.

Even if the baby does nothing, either a dog or a cat can harm a baby simply with their mass. A dog with a head as big as the baby, a cat who wants to lay on anything warm -- that can be a serious risk. It's cute in that annoying way when your cat curls up on your face at night or a dog wants to engage in a full-body hug, but that's deadly to a baby who can barely turn, much less get a bigger animal off them.
 
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Sure, people with bad intent will find whatever works best for them. Key word: best. There are breeds larger and stronger than pit bulls (to use pits as just one example), yet people with bad intent overwhelmingly choose pits. The evidence stares us in the face, and yet so many choose to act is if it's not there.

Personally, I do not advocate the banning of any breed. At the same time I do not advocate kidding our collectives selves by saying it can happen to any dog at any time AS IF it happens equally, or anywhere near equally. It does not, and for a reason.
You are assuming that people with bad intent have the intelligence to know what is "best" for them.

There is a reason why most military/police attack dogs are German Shepard and Rotts. They are larger and more suited for attacking humans. Most choose Pits simply for the social stigma around the breed created from dog fighting.

I have never met a pit with even the slightest bit of aggression and I have worked for the Humane society and have several friends who own Pits.
 
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I've never taken a class in dog training. I'm not a "gifted" anything when it comes to dogs.

What we do is love our dog. Not just love, but LOVE.

She get's a ridiculous amount of attention. For years I walked her a minimum of 3 times a day during the week and 4 or 5 times a day on weekends. Each walk was almost a mile in distance. She was always with us when we were home. Never chained up outside. Only left alone when we went to work and/or school. She had toys. Got treats. Had beds. She is literally part of our family. The affection and love she receives from us is insane. It's the only reason we think she's still alive. She's just not ready to go yet.
 
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You are assuming that people with bad intent have the intelligence to know what is "best" for them.

There is a reason why most military/police attack dogs are German Shepard and Rotts. They are larger and more suited for attacking humans. Most choose Pits simply for the social stigma around the breed created from dog fighting.

I have never met a pit with even the slightest bit of aggression and I have worked for the Humane society and have several friends who own Pits.

I assumed nothing. You misinterpreted my comment. "Best" was meant as in what the person thinks will suit their "needs"/desires best. If they truly knew what was best for themselves they wouldn't be doing any of this crap to begin with.

Your next comment plays into my overall point. There are bigger and stringer breeds, yet these people choose pits over those for a variety of reasons. Sure, one reason, public image is one, but only one. Easy of adaptability to their purpose is another, and it is that ease of adaptability that has helped the breed gain its reputation. I know we like to hide our collective heads in the sand, blame the big bad evil media, and so on, but these reputations are not without solid evidence. They're not simply made up. There is documented fact behind them.
 
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This is my dog about 5 years ago.
She's squinting at me with that "don't you dare post this crap on facebook or some stupid forum" kinda look. :mrgreen:


That...or she's just happily resting in the grass after playing around a bit.


You be the judge.
 
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Pits do not deserve their bad reputation. I have literally petted hundreds of dogs that I didn't know in the last few years. Pit bulls are friendlier than most dogs, although labradors are the friendliest. The dogs that snapped at me were nearly all smaller curly haired dogs such as poodles. I have never had a pit snap at me. Many pits are shy, but not aggressive. Most pits these days are not pure, so it could be that the worst tendencies are being bred out. The best predictor of a dog's friendliness is the owner's attitude.

Although I don't think pits deserve their bad reputation, I don't think it is wise to have one in a household with children under five years old. Not because they are significantly more likely to bite, but if they do bite they can do a lot more damage.

This. They have the capability of inflicting more harm, so you want to be careful with small children, but that doesn't mean they will automatically attack small children.

When we fostered our first pit, we had smallish kids. My husband expressed concern just like this. He used an analogy that I still remember. He likened it to a plane crash. He said that you have a far greater chance of being in a car crash than a plane crash, but the reality is, it's actually better to be in a car crash because if you're in a plane crash, you have a far far greater chance of dying.
 
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A news story. About a pitbull.

Where does your mind usually go regarding the words "pitbull" and "news"?

Well check this out: [video]http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/living/2014/07/17/pkg-dog-rescues-boy.wish.html[/video]

That's why being uber black & white about some topics is just plain wrong.

Love the story. It gives witness to what responsible owners and their pits can be to each other. These are some amazing and powerful dogs, highly loyal and intelligent. I wish the same could be said for some of their owners.
 
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The first part of that sentence is not true. There are a number of breeds that are innately "more aggressive". I put that in quotes because there's a lot more to aggression than "more than, less than"

Yes, that is true. When I said "other breeds", I was referring to the totality of breeds. Pitbulls are probably on par with Akitas, Chows (at least those with Chinese bloodlines that might still be bred for fighting), Cane Corsos, and "watch dogs" from the Canary Islands (forgot their name).

No one should trust a child around a dog unsupervised. Children often times trigger attacks.

Also, the pack leader has to be present to influence the dog.

It really depends on the concequences of an attack. Both my dogs have snapped at my five year old boy after he annoyed them. He may well get snapped at in the future. Yet, I often leave him alone with the dogs under the supervision of his older sisters. This is because both dogs are physically incapable of truly harming my five year old.
 
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Yes, that is true. When I said "other breeds", I was referring to the totality of breeds. Pitbulls are probably on par with Akitas, Chows (at least those with Chinese bloodlines that might still be bred for fighting), Cane Corsos, and "watch dogs" from the Canary Islands (forgot their name).



It really depends on the concequences of an attack. Both my dogs have snapped at my five year old boy after he annoyed them. He may well get snapped at in the future. Yet, I often leave him alone with the dogs under the supervision of his older sisters. This is because both dogs are physically incapable of truly harming my five year old.

The only thing about Chows that I learned is they have one pack leader and they won't recognize anybody else in a leadership position.

Most other dogs if you show dominance, they will back down, but not a Chow.
 
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I assumed nothing. You misinterpreted my comment. "Best" was meant as in what the person thinks will suit their "needs"/desires best. If they truly knew what was best for themselves they wouldn't be doing any of this crap to begin with.

Your next comment plays into my overall point. There are bigger and stringer breeds, yet these people choose pits over those for a variety of reasons. Sure, one reason, public image is one, but only one. Easy of adaptability to their purpose is another, and it is that ease of adaptability that has helped the breed gain its reputation. I know we like to hide our collective heads in the sand, blame the big bad evil media, and so on, but these reputations are not without solid evidence. They're not simply made up. There is documented fact behind them.

Would you be so kind as to share this solid evidence and documented fact with us?
 
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I noticed that terriers score among the lowest. Terriers are known for "suddenly" going aggressive. I put that in quotes because nearly all dogs will give signs that it is getting annoyed or fearful before it bites. Turid Rugaas wrote about this in a book called "Calming Signals" about the body language dogs use to tell each other to calm down and avoid a fight.

Here's an example of someone who ignored the signals


Note how the dog pulls his head back as the reporter reaches for him, and when the reporter keeps coming, Barney snaps
 
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I found this and it's pretty interesting. I'll add that I don't no anything about the people that did the study and I can't verify it's accuracy. That being said, it appears that pit bulls are involved in FAR more attacks than any other breed. It's actually not even close. There are a lot of reasons for that which have been discussed here but the data is what it is.

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Dog+attack+stats+with+breed+2012.pdf
 
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I found this and it's pretty interesting. I'll add that I don't no anything about the people that did the study and I can't verify it's accuracy. That being said, it appears that pit bulls are involved in FAR more attacks than any other breed. It's actually not even close. There are a lot of reasons for that which have been discussed here but the data is what it is.

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Dog+attack+stats+with+breed+2012.pdf

Merrit Clifton is infamous for misrepresenting the facts

KC DOG BLOG: Merrit Cliffton

Debunking Merritt Clifton's "Statistics" | www.NoPitBullBans.com


His biggest problem is he relies on press reports (which he never details) even though most attacks are not reported in the press
 
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Merrit Clifton is infamous for misrepresenting the facts

KC DOG BLOG: Merrit Cliffton

Debunking Merritt Clifton's "Statistics" | www.NoPitBullBans.com


His biggest problem is he relies on press reports (which he never details) even though most attacks are not reported in the press
It seemed like a study that may not have been on the "up and up". I was just searching for stats and ran across it. I saw the numbers and figured I'd post it here to see if anyone new anything about this study and the people involved.

Thanks.
 
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