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Cops Shoot Up A Minivan Full Of Kids & Crazy Mom. New Mexico

StillBallin75 said:
doing what the mother did was completely pointless and only made things worse for all parties involved including her and her kids. Just what the **** was she thinking?
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Hide the drug paraphernalia?


And just in case you are wondering what the hell I am talking about...

Oriana Ferrell will face charges of intentional abuse of a child, aggravated fleeing of a law enforcement officer and possession of drug paraphernalia following the Oct. 28 pursuit.

Tennessee mother indicted for high-speed chase through Talpa - The Taos News​
 
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I say throw the book at all three.....

The mother for failing to obey a police officer.

The kid for disobeying the officer and interfeering in the issue.

The officer for absolutely terrible marksmanship.
 
soot said:
I agree.

But since she was behind the wheel of a car full of kids and in control of the car, even if only tenuously, shooting her would have been about the stupidest ****ing thing Barney Fife could have done.

Say he does shoot and kill her.

Say she dies with her foot on the gas.

Now you've got an out of control car careening down the highway and accelerating.

Probably not the safest situation for kids to be in.

Obviously this woman was no one's idea of "mother of the year".

Do you think her children were buckled in?

Maybe, maybe not.

We can probably surmise that the 14-year-old boy (who hopped out of the car and went after the cop) wasn't.

Probably also a safe bet that the younger girl that got out of and back in to the car wasn't either.

How many other kids were in the car?

Were there more than two?

Maybe the first officer on the scene knew.

Did Barney Fife?

He'd just arrived on the scene.

The van's windows were tinted.

Could have been a half dozen kids in the car for all her knew.

Could have been a newborn or infant in the car.

Again, we're not talking about mother of the year here.

Given that, it's possible that if there was an infant in the car (s)he wasn't in an approved child car seat, and even if he was would you trust that woman to properly secure a child in a car seat?

Of course none of this takes into account the possibility that idiot cop could have shot one of the kids, or shot the car in a manner that caused a fire to break out (many cars have their fuel tank on the lower left hand side, just above and behind the tire that dumbass was ostensibly shooting at).

What would I have done?

What ultimately proved to have been successful?

Letting the woman drive away (if only because Wyatt Earp was as bad a shot as he was a judge of the necessity/propriety of opening fire), following her, and eventually surrounding her when she slowed down.
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Too many coulda, woulda, shouldas and what ifs. She was acting in a criminal manner endangering children.
People like that should be put down.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Too many coulda, woulda, shouldas and what ifs. She was acting in a criminal manner endangering children.
People like that should be put down.
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Please tell me you are in no way connected to law enforcement.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Too many coulda, woulda, shouldas and what ifs. She was acting in a criminal manner endangering children.
People like that should be put down.
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:doh Holy ****!
 
clownboy said:
Bet I've been to more of them than you have. Probably spent more time too. For many years my father was laison between the DOJ and the police departments of N. Cal. He spent a lot of time lecturing to academy recruits. I went with him.
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I am a certified officer in the state of Florida, I still hold my cert. My father was a DC police officer for 20 years. But I am not asking what your father did or didn't do.
I also found out that a lot of people that don't know what the hell they are talking about, teach. The ones that do the job are out doing it. Yet every move they make is criticized endlessly by the arm chair quarterbacks that never spent one day in uniform.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Too many coulda, woulda, shouldas and what ifs. She was acting in a criminal manner endangering children.
People like that should be put down.
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Even if we assume she should be "put down", which I will for the sake of argument, I disagree that "putting her down" while she was behind the wheel of a moving car filled with children was the best course of action.

That also ignores the fact that a police officer is not judge, jury, and executioner and takes more liberty that President Obama has in respect to the extrajudicial execution of American citizens.

Taking account of all the "coulda, woulda, shouldas" is what an adult does when he takes on the responsibility of carrying and employing a firearm.

This incident is CLEARLY a violation of the 4th rule and has Jeff Cooper is rolling in his grave.
 
CRUE CAB said:
He was obviously shooting at the tire, how is that endangering anyone?
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As low as vans sit you cannot even see the back tire as close as that cop was when he started shooting, as it got farther away there was more of a chance of him aiming too high due to even minor kick back and not correct that kick back good enough that he very well could have shot into the van and into children. Second the bullets could have richocheted into someone else, be it some kid in the van or even one of the other officers that was off to the side of the van...or even on coming traffic. This is all assuming he was just aiming at the tire of course and not directly into the van.

CRUE CAB said:
She was committing criminal acts. What would you have done? Just waved good by to her?
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Yes she was, but them I have not seen one single person in this thread condone what she did or support her. People have repeatedly stated that she deserved to get arrested. People are however saying that the cop that took the shots was out of line. As for what should have been done? When that second cop showed up he should have put his car at least partially in front of the van to keep it boxed in between both police cars instead of parking it the way he did.
 
CRUE CAB said:
I am a certified officer in the state of Florida, I still hold my cert. My father was a DC police officer for 20 years. But I am not asking what your father did or didn't do.
I also found out that a lot of people that don't know what the hell they are talking about, teach. The ones that do the job are out doing it. Yet every move they make is criticized endlessly by the arm chair quarterbacks that never spent one day in uniform.
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Yeah, I just don't see you as a real brother, at least not the type that is needed. Especially with your opinion of putter her down.

And still holding a cert doesn't mean you are active, does it?

The police are criticized by those you call arm chair quarterbacks because the police are there for them and work for them. They have every right to demand the Police be held to higher standards. Maybe you forgot that.
 
Excon said:
Yeah, I just don't see you as a real brother, at least not the type that is needed. Especially with your opinion of putter her down.

And still holding a cert doesn't mean you are active, does it?

The police are criticized by those you call arm chair quarterbacks because the police are there for them and work for them. They have every right to demand the Police be held to higher standards. Maybe you forgot that.
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No, just forgot how the arm chair quarterbacking is now used to form and enforce policy so as peoples feelings are not hurt.
 
CRUE CAB said:
I am a certified officer in the state of Florida, I still hold my cert. My father was a DC police officer for 20 years. But I am not asking what your father did or didn't do.
I also found out that a lot of people that don't know what the hell they are talking about, teach. The ones that do the job are out doing it. Yet every move they make is criticized endlessly by the arm chair quarterbacks that never spent one day in uniform.
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You say one thing and then reveal another. Don't know about the academies in Florida, but in California, and pretty much everywhere out West, the folks who teach all have years of real world experience. My father was a Sheriif for Nevada County for many years before he went to work for the CII and then the DOJ. As to the armchair quarterbacking thing, look in the mirror.

This women obviously panicked and made a heap of wrong decisions. None of them was motivation for taking her life. The officer who fired did so against every department policy I know of.
 
CRUE CAB said:
I am a certified officer in the state of Florida, I still hold my cert. My father was a DC police officer for 20 years. But I am not asking what your father did or didn't do.
I also found out that a lot of people that don't know what the hell they are talking about, teach. The ones that do the job are out doing it. Yet every move they make is criticized endlessly by the arm chair quarterbacks that never spent one day in uniform.
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Any person who has a view that there are situations where police should "stomp" people "to death" should never be allowed in law enforcement.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
He wasn't shooting at a van full of kids. Quit the hyperbole.
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Yes, he was. AND he was putting the lives of his fellow officers in jeopardy (ricochet). And needlessly as well. Shooting out the rear tire isn't going to stop the vehicle.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I believe this is a severe case of bad judgement on the part of the police and supreme idiocy on the part of the mother.

Both sides created the perfect balance for things to go horribly wrong.
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Indeed, and the mother needs to face charges for her behaviour. As do the cops. While I know you weren't backing the cops here, only an ignorant authoritarian. would say the cops did nothing wrong.

Both adult parties at fault, both parties need to be brought to justice.
 
clownboy said:
Yes, he was. AND he was putting the lives of his fellow officers in jeopardy (ricochet). And needlessly as well. Shooting out the rear tire isn't going to stop the vehicle.
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Ricochet? OMG you guys are killing me.
 
CRUE CAB said:
No, just forgot how the arm chair quarterbacking is now used to form and enforce policy so as peoples feelings are not hurt.
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And as the employer they have every right to demand such if they so choose.
 
joko104 said:
If so, your certification should be canceled due to your views of when police should kill people, "stomp" people to death and shoot at vehicles with innocent children.

Any person who has a view that there are situations where police should "stomp" people "to death" should never be allowed in law enforcement.
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Quote me on that. I said he was lucky the cop didn't. And by all accounts, it was a good shoot. That "mother" put her children in way more danger than anyone.
 
Ikari said:
Indeed, and the mother needs to face charges for her behaviour. As do the cops. While I know you weren't backing the cops here, only an ignorant authoritarian. would say the cops did nothing wrong.

Both adult parties at fault, both parties need to be brought to justice.
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The only officer that acted improperly was the officer who fired at the vehicle not knowing the situation, not knowing how many people are inside the vehicle and when no officer was in apparent danger.
 
Excon said:
And as the employer they have every right to demand such if they so choose.
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Hence why its a ****ty thankless job. You can do everything within your dept policy and still get screwed. Saw it many times.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Ricochet? OMG you guys are killing me.
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You really don't have any training do you? Or at least you don't seem to recall any.

A 17-year-old South Texas boy is dead after a gunshot he fired at a butane tank ricocheted and hit him in the head.

Hidalgo County Sheriff Lupe Trevino (treh-VEEN'-yoh) tells The Monitor of McAllen (Sheriff: Drunken teen accidentally shoots self in head - The Monitor: Local News ) that he believes the shooting of Israel Torres just before midnight Monday near Alamo was accidental and influenced by alcohol.

He says he was urging his girlfriend to shoot the .380-caliber, semiautomatic handgun in his family's backyard, but she refused. He withdrew the gun's clip and fired once at a butane tank, hitting himself with the ricochet.

Source
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CRUE CAB said:
And by all accounts, it was a good shoot.
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Under investigation suggest that it wasn't.
The Chief having concerns also suggests that it wasn't.
 
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