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Cops Shoot Up A Minivan Full Of Kids & Crazy Mom. New Mexico

CRUE CAB said:
Why? Why is she running? Running is a felony. Eluding in many states is a felony.
Woman was low life trash and is apparently raising low life trash. I have zero sympathy for her.
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The reason the cop shouldn't have started shooting is because of the others in the vehicle. At that point he really doesn't know what's going on so endangering their lives with gunfire on top of her endangering them with reckless driving is just all around bad.
 
clownboy said:
Then he's an idiot for so many reasons. And with a car full of litle kids, where is she going to go? All they had to do was follow her.

And I don't get breaking out the passenger side window. That accomplishes nothing.
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And when she wrecks for them following then you got something else to cry about.
And some of said little kids were feeling enough oats to get out and fight a cop.
I suppose she should have been allowed to leave and the cop just mail her DL and reg to her later that day. My god.
 
Lutherf said:
The reason the cop shouldn't have started shooting is because of the others in the vehicle. At that point he really doesn't know what's going on so endangering their lives with gunfire on top of her endangering them with reckless driving is just all around bad.
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He was obviously shooting at the tire, how is that endangering anyone?
 
CRUE CAB said:
So he should be allowed to swing on a police officer, because little angel is 14? Pffft, I think the cop showed great restraint in not stomping the life out of him.
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The cop in this case obviously couldn't handle the little skinney mother much less have stomped anyone. If I was his dad I'd be very proud that he stepped up, even if I thought mom was wrong in the issue.
 
CRUE CAB said:
He was obviously shooting at the tire, how is that endangering anyone?
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We've been through this before. Ricochet, or a miss. What else is in the area, only other officers and their cars, putting them in danger when this nob decides it's a good idea to try to stop a minivan with a sidearm. Shooting out the tire would have accomplished nothing anyway.
 
CRUE CAB said:
He was obviously shooting at the tire, how is that endangering anyone?
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By his stance he very well could have been shooting at her approximate location in the vehicle.
But even if he was firing at the tire, a round could have ricocheted up into the vehicle striking one of the children.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Mom is a mouthy low information voter and her son is working his way up to be the next Trayvon Martin.
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So she votes Republican?

Seriously, did we need a non-sequitur attack, or is it just that time of the month?
 
Excon said:
What?
You don't know that the Law doesn't care what you think about her personally?
Or is it that you do not know what a threat is or isn't?
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From what I saw and have heard, the officer didn't run a foul of dept policy.
So it looks like the law is on their side.
I am sure you would love to see all police officers hanged, but its the scumbags that are the problem. Not the police.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
IDGAF about the police and what they say. OK, so she drove off and got pulled over again. That doesn't give you the right to try to tase someone, much less shoot at a minivan.

I understand she was speeding and got pulled over, but WTF?

That kid did the right thing in defending his mom.

That officer needs to be in court for endangering the lives of the children.
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I think the officer went overboard firing at the vehicle - I don't have a problem with the tasing. Frankly the mother wasn't leaving them with any options, and the son escalated the situation - nothing gives you the right to assault an officer whose simply trying to take control of the situation unless it's self-defense.

My point is, however, doing what the mother did was completely pointless and only made things worse for all parties involved including her and her kids. Just what the **** was she thinking?
 
CRUE CAB said:
Lessee, cop pulls her over. Tells her why, asks for ID and paperwork, gets it, tells her he is going back to his cruiser. Then she leaves going on a highspeed chase with her children in the car.
Yea, I can see where the cops royally screwed things up. LOLOLOL
Mom is a mouthy low information voter and her son is working his way up to be the next Trayvon Martin.
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Your partisan hackery knows no bounds does it?
 
Excon said:
Leaving the scene of a speeding ticket is not a reason to be shooting at anybody.
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I think at the point the gunfire occurred, they were way past leaving the scene of a speeding ticket.
Resisting arrest, assault of a peace officer, Child endangerment (on the part of the mother).
I think a good prosecutor could think of a few others.
 
StillBallin75 said:
I think the officer went overboard firing at the vehicle - I don't have a problem with the tasing. Frankly the mother wasn't leaving them with any options, and the son escalated the situation - nothing gives you the right to assault an officer whose simply trying to take control of the situation unless it's self-defense.

My point is, however, doing what the mother did was completely pointless and only made things worse for all parties involved including her and her kids. Just what the **** was she thinking?
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She was thinking that she aint got on time for no police officer BS and she is above all that. Pretty clear what she was thinking.
 
CRUE CAB said:
From what I saw and have heard, the officer didn't run a foul of dept policy.
So it looks like the law is on their side.
I am sure you would love to see all police officers hanged, but its the scumbags that are the problem. Not the police.
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You're way off base. No one is saying that last and there's no cop hate being shown here. Cops make mistakes too, and how this was mishandled will be the subject of academy classroom lessons from now on.
 
rocket88 said:
So she votes Republican?

Seriously, did we need a non-sequitur attack, or is it just that time of the month?
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Its always the right time of the month to call it what it is. She is a ghetto punk that thinks she is above the law.
 
clownboy said:
You're way off base. No one is saying that last and there's no cop hate being shown here. Cops make mistakes too, and how this was mishandled will be the subject of academy classroom lessons from now on.
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When you actually attend and or graduate on of those academies, let me know.
 
CRUE CAB said:
She was committing criminal acts. What would you have done? Just waved good by to her?
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I believe the issue is that the officers began firing shots and smashing the windows of a car that contained children... that's the bad judgement I am referring to.
 
longview said:
I think at the point the gunfire occurred, they were way past leaving the scene of a speeding ticket.
Resisting arrest, assault of a peace officer, Child endangerment (on the part of the mother).
I think a good prosecutor could think of a few others.
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I am sure they could, but I was referring to what started this. Her leaving the scene of a speeding ticket. But yeah, I agree it was past that point.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I believe the issue is that the officers began firing shots and smashing the windows of a car that contained children... that's the bad judgement I am referring to.
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And again I ask you, what would you have done? People like her have no business behind the wheel of a car let alone one full of kids.
 
CRUE CAB said:
From what I saw and have heard, the officer didn't run a foul of dept policy.
So it looks like the law is on their side.
I am sure you would love to see all police officers hanged, but its the scumbags that are the problem. Not the police.
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You are talking out of the place where the sun don't shine.
They are under investigation according to the news report.


The names of the officers involved weren't released. According to New Mexico State Police Chief Pete Kassetas, an internal investigation is underway.

"I have, of course, reviewed the video and do have concerns relating to the conduct of the officer who discharged his firearm," Kassetas said in a press release.

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Apparently you think that the Chief having concerns is conformation in your mind that he didn't run a foul of dept policy and has the law on his side. :doh:doh:doh
 
StillBallin75 said:
I think the officer went overboard firing at the vehicle - I don't have a problem with the tasing. Frankly the mother wasn't leaving them with any options, and the son escalated the situation - nothing gives you the right to assault an officer whose simply trying to take control of the situation unless it's self-defense.

My point is, however, doing what the mother did was completely pointless and only made things worse for all parties involved including her and her kids. Just what the **** was she thinking?
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She shouldn't have been tased for non compliance. The reason she was resisting (at that specific moment) was because the officer was attempting to physically remove her from the vehicle. The kid was defending his mother from the police, what he did was in defense, not aggressiveness.

I do agree that the mother bears some responsibility for the situation, however, that doesn't give you the ability to shoot at a car.
 
CRUE CAB said:
And again I ask you, what would you have done? People like her have no business behind the wheel of a car let alone one full of kids.
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Good grief. First, there was no reason whatsoever to break out the passenger window. The other officers had arrived and traffic flowing the other way was blocked by the cruiser, he could have easily broken the driver's side window and tased the gal, something he should have done instead of allowing her to run back into the vehicle in the first place.

Second, no one is saying the mother is in the right here.
 
CRUE CAB said:
When you actually attend and or graduate on of those academies, let me know.
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Bet I've been to more of them than you have. Probably spent more time too. For many years my father was laison between the DOJ and the police departments of N. Cal. He spent a lot of time lecturing to academy recruits. I went with him.
 
CRUE CAB said:
People like her have no business behind the wheel of a car let alone one full of kids.
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I agree.

But since she was behind the wheel of a car full of kids and in control of the car, even if only tenuously, shooting her would have been about the stupidest ****ing thing Barney Fife could have done.

Say he does shoot and kill her.

Say she dies with her foot on the gas.

Now you've got an out of control car careening down the highway and accelerating.

Probably not the safest situation for kids to be in.

Obviously this woman was no one's idea of "mother of the year".

Do you think her children were buckled in?

Maybe, maybe not.

We can probably surmise that the 14-year-old boy (who hopped out of the car and went after the cop) wasn't.

Probably also a safe bet that the younger girl that got out of and back in to the car wasn't either.

How many other kids were in the car?

Were there more than two?

Maybe the first officer on the scene knew.

Did Barney Fife?

He'd just arrived on the scene.

The van's windows were tinted.

Could have been a half dozen kids in the car for all her knew.

Could have been a newborn or infant in the car.

Again, we're not talking about mother of the year here.

Given that, it's possible that if there was an infant in the car (s)he wasn't in an approved child car seat, and even if he was would you trust that woman to properly secure a child in a car seat?

Of course none of this takes into account the possibility that idiot cop could have shot one of the kids, or shot the car in a manner that caused a fire to break out (many cars have their fuel tank on the lower left hand side, just above and behind the tire that dumbass was ostensibly shooting at).

What would I have done?

What ultimately proved to have been successful?

Letting the woman drive away (if only because Wyatt Earp was as bad a shot as he was a judge of the necessity/propriety of opening fire), following her, and eventually surrounding her when she slowed down.
 
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