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Police Officer Cleared After Shooting Unarmed Man 11 Times!

Objective-J said:
actually you did :shrug:

anyway
you try to make it seem he was innocent LOL no he just got out of the truck, armed after seeing a gun and cop, ignored commands, ducked down a little, kept moving and moved down the truck some

yep sounds totally trustworthy to me, that officer should of waited till he threw the knife at him the guy was in a full sprint towards him LOL no thanks.

there was a reaso, he was armed ignored commands and moved away from the truck, good enough for me and the board the reviewed and the majority of the people in the two threads.

Sorry i like to keep the officers that risk their lives protecting me safe

no knife, no moving around, listen to commands and the guy is alive today, its the criminals fault not the cops


and again like i said if you disagree, try it out, see how many times you live to tell about it
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Actually I didn't as indicated by what was said.

And no, I haven't made it sound as he is innocent of anything.

Kept moving? So what. He was moving in place and not going anywhere.
And he made no threatening gesture towards the Officer and he did not move towards the Officer which would have made him an actual threat.
Those things would have justified the shooting.
But he didn't do those things.

And now you are going on about possibly throwing the knife. Bs. The Officer already had his gun drawn and would have squeezed off a round or two before he even threw.
That is what the officer forgot about his training.
The article states that the Officer remembered the following in an excuse to his actions.

"The report noted that the officer recalled in his training that a suspect with a knife could run 21 feet in three seconds and fatally wound an officer"​

But obviously he failed to remember that with his gun drawn he had the advantage and could shoot before he was upon him.



Tigger said:
Again, we're going to disagree. I believe in treating any potential physical threat as a potentially lethal threat and I will react as such.
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And thus needlessly taking a life like what happened here.
I get it.
 
Excon said:
And thus needlessly taking a life like what happened here. I get it.
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If you want to blame someone for the loss of life, blame the moron who did everything possible to get himself shot.
 
Excon said:
MaggieD said:
Ya' know? That's a thoughtful point.

Then again, the LEO had information a private citizen wouldn't have -- that he was armed and dangerous...at least I read that had been broadcast. I also think there's a difference in being found "not guilty" in this review and being "completely innocent."

Adrenalin is a powerful drug.
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That is not something they knew. That is something they suspected based on his background.
That is something they say about all those who are known to have violent felonies. And even others that don't.
It is common suspicion that actually means squat.
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I want to make a correction.
Maggie you were right.
It was reported that he had the knife from an earlier incident.

At 5:18 p.m. a citizen reported a domestic disturbance near the intersection of Pillsbury Road and Woodward Avenue. A second reporting party called police and reported that a man involved in the disturbance had a knife and was also known to carry a hand gun. It was noted that no police report was generated by the call as the parties were gone upon arrival of officers.
DA: Shooting​

Which is not the report listed in this topic, but the one I originally posted in the other thread.
Figures. :slapme:
 
Tigger said:
If you want to blame someone for the loss of life, blame the moron who did everything possible to get himself shot.
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Can't do it as he is not responsible for the officers actions.
 
Excon said:
Can't do it as he is not responsible for the officers actions.
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He is responsible for PROVOKING those actions in a way that he knew had a high degree of potential to get himself shot. That's all that matters in my book.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
What? Faced with an armed felon, you would have the officer holster his firearm, switch to a different "non-lethal weapon" and attempt a "capture" using non-lethal force? That takes way too much time and endangers both the officer and the public.
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Faced with an armed felon?
That is not an excuse for what happened as he was not facing the Officer, nor had he threatened the Officer in any way.
Had he, it would have been justified. But he didn't.

The Office had enough time to know that he already had the upper hand and decide that lethal force was not necessary.

Sorry, you can't change my mind as to it not being justified.

It wasn't justified and I hope the family receives action from the requested Justice Department request, and Court filing.
 
Tigger said:
He is responsible for PROVOKING those actions in a way that he knew had a high degree of potential to get himself shot. That's all that matters in my book.
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:naughty
No. His action were not provoking.
Had he made a move or a threatening gesture towards the Officer, I would agree with you. But he didn't.

Therefore the Officer over reacted.

My mind isn't going to change on that.
So we can go on all day like this if you want, but it really serves no purpose.
Lets say we drop it?
 
VanceMack said:
Ttough to see on that video but at second 29 his hand clearly goes to the back of the cab of the truck. If he had a knife in his hand, dropping it would have been natural. Dont know...must be more to it than what we can see. Or the cop over-reacted.
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Yes. I was not trying to justify anyone position just stating what my cop comrades have told me.
 
Excon said:
My mind isn't going to change on that. So we can go on all day like this if you want, but it really serves no purpose. Lets say we drop it?
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That's fine. Just realize this.... You show up on my property carrying a knife and you invite a bullet.
 
Tigger said:
He is responsible for PROVOKING those actions in a way that he knew had a high degree of potential to get himself shot. That's all that matters in my book.
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But, in your book, wife beating is good while smoking pot or being gay is the death penalty. How could someone basing things on such a book ever object to police action? I mean, if talking about politics is *bam*, then how could anyone ever not "deserve" whatever a cop gives them.
 
Excon said:
Faced with an armed felon?
That is not an excuse for what happened as he was not facing the Officer, nor had he threatened the Officer in any way.
Had he, it would have been justified. But he didn't.

The Office had enough time to know that he already had the upper hand and decide that lethal force was not necessary.

Sorry, you can't change my mind as to it not being justified.

It wasn't justified and I hope the family receives action from the requested Justice Department request, and Court filing.
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We must simply agree to disagree. Perhaps the "victim's" family will recieve ample judicial review, but the officer was not given such a lenghty and distant review process, he made an instant decision and acted on it. He has been cleared, thus far, of any wrongdoing, and I see little chance that he will be charged with any crime. You seem to be largely alone in seeing no threat posed by an armed felon exitting his vehicle when faced with an armed law officer. To me, that removes all doubt of the felon's intent to obey the law and peacefully surrender to the officer. Have a wonderful day, arguing in favor of the armed felon and his honorable intentions.
 
ecofarm said:
But, in your book, wife beating is good while smoking pot or being gay is the death penalty. How could someone basing things on such a book ever object to police action? I mean, if talking about politics is *bam*, then how could anyone ever not "deserve" whatever a cop gives them.
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You are correct that I'm going to side with the cops MOST of the time. Not all of the time, but most of the time.
 
Tigger said:
That's fine. Just realize this.... You show up on my property carrying a knife and you invite a bullet.
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That's fine.
What happens if I show up with a casserole?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
We must simply agree to disagree. Perhaps the "victim's" family will recieve ample judicial review, but the officer was not given such a lenghty and distant review process, he made an instant decision and acted on it. He has been cleared, thus far, of any wrongdoing, and I see little chance that he will be charged with any crime. You seem to be largely alone in seeing no threat posed by an armed felon exitting his vehicle when faced with an armed law officer. To me, that removes all doubt of the felon's intent to obey the law and peacefully surrender to the officer. Have a wonderful day, arguing in favor of the armed felon and his honorable intentions.
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Just so you know, I don't believe what he did was a crime. It was because of his training which is what I believe is at fault here, and needs changing.

But in the spirit of what you said. You also have a wonderful day defending a still armed but un-convicted felon who will most likely take another's life wrongfully.
 
Excon said:
That's fine. What happens if I show up with a casserole?
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Then you're liable to just be ignored and left on the stoop, knocking on the door until you get bored and leave.
 
Excon said:
Actually I didn't as indicated by what was said.

And no, I haven't made it sound as he is innocent of anything.

Kept moving? So what. He was moving in place and not going anywhere.
And he made no threatening gesture towards the Officer and he did not move towards the Officer which would have made him an actual threat.
Those things would have justified the shooting.
But he didn't do those things.

And now you are going on about possibly throwing the knife. Bs. The Officer already had his gun drawn and would have squeezed off a round or two before he even threw.
That is what the officer forgot about his training.
The article states that the Officer remembered the following in an excuse to his actions.

"The report noted that the officer recalled in his training that a suspect with a knife could run 21 feet in three seconds and fatally wound an officer"​

But obviously he failed to remember that with his gun drawn he had the advantage and could shoot before he was upon him.




And thus needlessly taking a life like what happened here.
I get it.
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really? you know this would have happened? LMAO your funny thank god police officers dont have you to worry about when they mak rational, justified life saving decisions. You would endanger them and empower criminals.

you keep repeating this meaningless stuff like it changes anything, bottom line, no knife, and listens to commands so he can be deemed safe then he'd be alive but since he choose not to be civil he is dead.

like i said try it, see what happens, you keep avoiding that point and its obvious why.

Better yet here is a simple question, if the cops pulled up behind you, guns drawn would you jump out with a knife in your hand and ignore the commands?

I can tell you i certainly wouldnt, you know why? because anybody with common sense knows that could easily get you killed and rightfully so
 
Objective-J said:
really? you know this would have happened? LMAO your funny thank god police officers dont have you to worry about when they mak rational, justified life saving decisions. You would endanger them and empower criminals.
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Bull ****!

Objective-J said:
you keep repeating this meaningless stuff like it changes anything, bottom line, no knife, and listens to commands so he can be deemed safe then he'd be alive but since he choose not to be civil he is dead.
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Making the officer wrong.


Objective-J said:
like i said try it, see what happens, you keep avoiding that point and its obvious why.
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Avoiding what?
Some ridiculous scenario you have going going on in your head that proves nothing other than what I would do?
Utter absurdity.


Objective-J said:
Better yet here is a simple question, if the cops pulled up behind you, guns drawn would you jump out with a knife in your hand and ignore the commands?
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If I did, and was not facing them, or making a threatening gesture towards them, or moving towards them they would have no reason to fire. Period.

And this is how we know the ruling was a bad one.
Had the guy had his back to the Officer, he would not have short him regardless if he had a knife in his hand or not.
His back to the Officer is the same as not facing the Officer. It is non-threatening.

And in this case he was facing sideways, away from the Officer, made no threatening gesture or move towards.
The ruling was bad.
 
Tigger said:
Then you're liable to just be ignored and left on the stoop, knocking on the door until you get bored and leave.
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lol
What would lasagna get me?
 
Tigger said:
The same thing. I don't generally care for unexpected and uninvited guests.
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Well at least it wont get me killed.

But on the above, we agree.
My door is a means of egress.

I don't answer it unless I know the person.
 
274ina said:
Because they never show up, harass the poor , and only protect the rich.
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LOL @ Your lack of knowledge.


Poor people have higher crime rates in their areas......... Which stretch police resources thin in those areas........ Which create delayed response times..........

If you want police to respond, move out of the ghetto.
 
MaggieD said:
Ya' know? That's a thoughtful point.

Then again, the LEO had information a private citizen wouldn't have -- that he was armed and dangerous...at least I read that had been broadcast. I also think there's a difference in being found "not guilty" in this review and being "completely innocent."

Adrenalin is a powerful drug.
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Also, a private citizen wouldn't be in the clear for PURSUING an possibly armed guy for the purpose of arresting him either.

Police get extra consideration in these cases for a reason. It is their job to pursue dangerous people....

A regular member of the public should not be pursuing people to serve warrants on them, especially if they have reason to believe the person is armed.
 
Excon said:
1.)Bull ****!

2.)Making the officer wrong.


3.)Avoiding what?
Some ridiculous scenario you have going going on in your head that proves nothing other than what I would do?
Utter absurdity.


4.)If I did, and was not facing them, or making a threatening gesture towards them, or moving towards them they would have no reason to fire. Period.

And this is how we know the ruling was a bad one.
Had the guy had his back to the Officer, he would not have short him regardless if he had a knife in his hand or not.
His back to the Officer is the same as not facing the Officer. It is non-threatening.

And in this case he was facing sideways, away from the Officer, made no threatening gesture or move towards.
The ruling was bad.
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1.) im sure YOU think so but you are simply making stuff up and havent been able to use anything but assumptions and guess :shrug:
2.) this is totally illogical, all that stuff makes the CRIMINAL wrong
3.) Translation: you wont answer the rational question because it exposes your broken logic. LOL

Ill ask again, if you were the guy would do what he did, hope out with a knife in your hand, ignore orders and keep moving.

Weird you call this a ridiculous scenario when its what happened, more proof you are desperate to deflect. Lets see if you can man up and answer the question or continue to be dishonest.

4.) another dodge and made up BS, nobody cares he was at his side, the officer was moving also LOL

now please answer the question HONESTLY, would you do what the guy did.

Cops pull up behind you, do you unsheathe your weapon, hop out of the vehicle after see the cop and gun drawn, do you then proceed to ignore commands to not move and drop the knife.

Its a YES or NO question, save the spin.
 
Excon said:
I am sure you would like to believe that.

The opinions that you have espoused in this forum say you are different.
I am not saying that is a good or bad thing. Just that you are different. And if I remember correctly, you admit to such.


There was no fight.
Why did he have a knife?
Doesn't actually matter as he wasn't using it in a threatening way.
Why was it in his hand, gee I don't know, maybe because he was trying to cut away the seatbelt?

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There was no lethal threat posed by the individual to the Officer.
Simply having a knife in ones hand does not constitute a lethal threat.

The guy was not facing the Officer.
The guy was not threatening the Officer.
The guy made no threatening move towards the Officer.
The Officer already had his gun drawn, clearly given the Officer the advantage.
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Reality check, junior, a knife is a real threat.
 
Objective-J said:
1.) im sure YOU think so but you are simply making stuff up and havent been able to use anything but assumptions and guess :shrug:
2.) this is totally illogical, all that stuff makes the CRIMINAL wrong
3.) Translation: you wont answer the rational question because it exposes your broken logic. LOL

Ill ask again, if you were the guy would do what he did, hope out with a knife in your hand, ignore orders and keep moving.

Weird you call this a ridiculous scenario when its what happened, more proof you are desperate to deflect. Lets see if you can man up and answer the question or continue to be dishonest.

4.) another dodge and made up BS, nobody cares he was at his side, the officer was moving also LOL

now please answer the question HONESTLY, would you do what the guy did.

Cops pull up behind you, do you unsheathe your weapon, hop out of the vehicle after see the cop and gun drawn, do you then proceed to ignore commands to not move and drop the knife.

Its a YES or NO question, save the spin.
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Holy ****! Are you not paying attention?
What I would do does not matter to what he did.
Do you not understand that?
Your continuing to ask an irrelevant question makes your position irrelevant.


He was facing sideways and not facing the Officer.
He did not make a move towards the Officer.
He he did not make any threatening Gesture towards the Officer.

Had his back actually been turned to the Officer, you know the Officer would be in the wrong because the guy would not have been facing him.
It is no different now, because he was not facing him.


The fact that anybody supports what the Officer did is sickening.



SMTA said:
Reality check, junior, a knife is a real threat.
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Reality check junior.
The guy holding a knife in his hand is not a lethal threat simply for holding a knife in his hand and not following orders.

He was facing sideways and not facing the Officer.
He did not make a move towards the Officer.
He he did not make any threatening Gesture towards the Officer.

Had his back actually been turned to the Officer, you know the Officer would be in the wrong because the guy would not have been facing him.
It is no different now, because he was not facing him.

The fact that anybody supports what the Officer did is sickening.
 
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