Enforcing American Laws Against Trespassing, Identity-Forging, and Job-Stealing

This thread is not about misnomered "immigration" -- it is about law enforcement.

Now that Obama has been foolishly handed another four years to continue dismantling America, one of the things he has promised to do is begin the systematic pardoning of reprehensible felons and their associate dependents.

Specific to that end, Obama will soon again be championing The Dream Act, whereby hundreds of thousands of the first wave of law-breakers -- known as "illegals" -- will be pardoned of their continuing crimes.

For indeed, once an under-age person reaches the age of criminal prosecution, if that person does not repent, cease and desist from the commiting of that crime, and return ill-gotten gains / make restitution, then that person is a law-breaker, perhaps a felon, and definitely continuing to engage in illegal behavior.

All those who are subject to Dream Act pardoning should not receive that pardon, but should, by all that is right by American citizens in a nation of law, make immediate effort to return to their country of citizenship, and help their parents also make that return trip.

Though all should pay somehow for their crimes of trespassing, identity-forging, and job/classroom/other-resource stealing, finding a way to compensate American citizens who've they've harmed, by imprisoning these criminals in restitution work camps is, sadly, not feasible, and ousting them from our borders is the best that we can expediently do to return stolen resources to their rightful owner: American citizens.

Obama has made it clear he wants to incredibly pardon all 20 million illegals with amnesty and legalization, encourage thereby a flood of illegals into America, and that The Dream Act, a nightmare for Americans, is his "camel getting its nose under the tent" first wave in that wage-scale plummeting craziness that will cripple American citizen workers living-wage earning abilities.

Whatever we need to do within American law, to prevent Obama and his fellow Multi-Cultural Internationalist Democracts along with spineless kowtowing Republicans from cowardly refusing to enforce American laws, we must do now, and quickly.

Indeed, once the camel gets its nose under the tent, the rest is sure to follow.

This link presents the complete presentation of the attitude of the great majority of American citizens on the subject of enforcing our laws upon illegals: The Illegals Buck Stops Here!

This link presents all the reasoned aspects of American citizen support for our relevant laws and their enforcement.

I strongly urge all American citizens to pass this link on to all of your elected officials, to let them know this is where you firmly stand on the relevant matter of law enforcement.

donsutherland1 said:

The growth in the population of undocumented immigrants is not a simple law enforcement issue.

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It most certainly is a simple law enforcement issue. :lol:

Those who think it isn't are ideologically motivated by an agenda that is clearly detrimental to American citizens.

donsutherland1 said:

If it were, we wouldn't be discussing this matter.

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False.

That ideologues utilize obfuscation and subterfuge and then claim the matter they just over-complicated irrationally is therefore "not a simple" issuse is pure sophistry.

That political power plays are afoot attempting to gain more party members via amnesty and legalization also does not in any way detract from the foundational reality that this is a law-enforcement issue, plain and simple.

donsutherland1 said:

In the absence of an adequate immigration policy, current law is impractical.

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Erroneous and meaningless.

donsutherland1 said:

There are not enough resources or manpower to enforce it in that context. Deportation, jail, or other forms of punishment for undocumented immigrants are not a viable remedies.

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Sometimes, for those illegals who commit personal-offense crimes as well, jail is most certainly appropriate and a must-do.

But the response that works best in this massive procrastinated situation is to simply withhold materials and services from illegals, all but life-saving medical, crack down on reprehensible behavior of Americans hiring illegals, end all talk about amnesty and legalization .. and illegals will return home on their own where they will then be better off.

That is the solution, it's economically feasible, and easily doable.

donsutherland1 said:

If the situation is strictly a law enforcement issue (and I've heard the political rhetoric to that end but have seen no credible empirical data to support that position), then you should easily be able to provide some empirical information to support that end. The reality, at least if one reads the economic literature, is that the nation is dealing with what is largely an economic migration that has occurred in a vacuum created by an inadequate immigration law framework. A robust, generous, and expedited guest worker program, a degree of forgiveness for the current population of undocumented immigrants with opportunities to be folded into a guest worker program, positive incentives to make the stays temporary, a fast track for citizenship for highly-educated/specially-skilled undocumented immigrants, a bilateral framework with Mexico, among other provisions would go much farther than the current approach. The Atlanta Federal Reserve Working Paper contains a lot of good ideas, but it isn't the only such document with constructive reform proposals.

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Your sophist's presentation that deceptively frames the matter into a strawman issue complete with irrelevant solutions is simply a completely erroneous over-complication obfuscation of the straightforward true nature of the situation.

Illegals trespass, forge identity's, and steal jobs, classrooms, other-resources from American citizens.

There is no other way of looking at it, and the right thing to do is simply oust them all.

Your subterfuge attempts to excuse the matter, and is not at all a surprise, as this quote from the OP link reveals:

Rightly there is no justification for amnesty and legalization for illegals any more than there is justification for waiving penalty sentencing of a convicted thief who’s an American citizen and letting him keep is ill-gotten goods simply because he too may be poor.

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There is simply no excuse for such law-breaking, excuses that cause wronged American citizens to suffer.

donsutherland1 said:

Ultimately, immigration reform will happen.

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Not if the great majority of American citizens have a say in it it won't!

As everyone knows, "immigration reform" is a euphemism for amnesty and legalization of 20 million illegals. :roll:

The economically devastating results of so doing will cause major civil upheaval in America by instantly greatly lowering wage scales cross-industry throughout the nation.

Woe be it to all American citizens if that happens .. and to the country's racial-difference tolerance.

donsutherland1 said:

With the steady increase in the share of population comprised by Hispanics, positions held by late Generation X and emerging Generation Y voters (the last cohort is larger than the Baby Boom generation), among other factors, the question is when immigration reform will be completed, not if.

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Your implication here is that people of different races and ages will not understand the basic economic disaster that legalizing 20 million illegals will create, a ludicrous assumption.

Regardless, this is a law enforcement issue, and in a nation founded on the rule of law, there is simply no valid excuse for not enforcing our good laws.

donsutherland1 said:

Any political party that appeases the loud, but tiny voter segment espousing a nativist position, will find itself locked out from gaining the support of the rising cohort of younger, more diverse pool of voters. Numbers matter. The Hispanic voting gap likely proved decisive in shifting Florida to the President. One should not automatically assume that those who seek to obstruct immigration reform would quickly regain the support of those turned off by their decision. The persistence of the African American voting gap suggests that such gaps can be longstanding phenomena.That the Hispanic population is growing rapidly as a share of the national population raises the stakes even higher.

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Your continued bigoted appeal to both race and age indicates that, to you, being an American citizen is comparatively meaningless to being a person of a certain age or race.

This highlights the misguided-nature problems that threaten justice for all Americans.

If you don't like the current laws, go through the proper channels to change them.

In the meantime, however, advocating that the current existing laws against trespassing, identity-forging, job/classroom and other-resource stealing not be enforced is tantamount to being an accomlice to these crimes.

That you care so little for your fellow American citizens makes me think there's a rational reason along the lines of the very excuses for not enforcing our laws that you yourself have broached ..

donsutherland1 said:

Finally, as a native-born U.S. citizen,

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.. So I will ask the obvious questions that you yourself have broached: 1) are you the offspring of one or more parents who were in America illegally, and 2), are you of Hispanic origin?

These are the issues you keep bringing up, so one would think they must have meaning to you personally .. and maybe they do and maybe they don't.

But for those whom the affirmative answer to these questions reveals relevance, it reveals the smoke screen nature of your statement "as a native-born U.S. citizen", and the hidden agenda basis for their egregious reprehensible thumbing of their nose at both American law and their fellow American citizens.

donsutherland1 said:

I don't accept the unsupported arguments that comprehensive immigration reform would be detrimental to my interests or wellbeing.

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For which there may be an understandably biased reason(s). :shock:

donsutherland1 said:

Of course, like any complex piece of legislation, there would be some trade-offs, but the overall benefits would exceed the overall costs.

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To whom? To you personally? To Multi-cultural Internationalists with their America-dismantling agenda to create a one-world, borderless, nationless, U.N. government?

Not to America and American citizens as a whole would there be any benefits to egregiously uncalled-for pardoning and legalizing 20 million illegals -- there would only be great economic and, now thanks to Obama's race-baiting, racial tension and maybe a race-war as a result!