Thread: Store fined $30K for stocking toy guns

Originally Posted by theangryamerican

He also hasn’t been mayor in ten years.

NYC, the so-called "liberal stronghold" hasn't had a liberal mayor for more than 10 years. Funny how it's OK to go back more than 10 years, but it's wrong when I talk about what has happened since

You’re mistaken. I didn’t introduce the topic of “danger” in NYC, but it sounds like officer training would be a better solution, rather than increasing legislation on law abiding citizens… Passing a law preventing citizens from carrying anything that looks like a gun after poor judgment calls made by police officers is exactly the type of stupidity I’m accusing NYC of in this thread

Your claim of unconstitutionality is stupid. I don't see where the 2nd amend protects the rights of children to keep and bear toy guns

Originally Posted by Aderleth

At least a couple.

Alabama Town Forces Criminals To Go To Church To Avoid Jail

Something like this happened in Mississippi as well, although the judge involved was suspended.

Of course that's not really my point, and I'm pretty sure you know it. My point is that crapping all over a huge, diverse city with lots to offer because one guy got fined for something stupid is, well, stupid.

I can accept that, though the individuals in your link were already criminals and likely headed to jail even if they hadn’t been offered the other option. I understand that’s not your point or the point of this thread.

In my opinion, this “one guy” is indicative of a larger problem in the city, and that is what I mentioned in the OP, rabid hoplophobia, clearly in conflict with citizen’s rights. He is just an example of the point taken to an absolute extreme. I’m sure no one arguing for “common sense gun control” as Bloomberg calls it thinks it’s ok to fine someone $30k for attempting to sell toys, but this nonetheless serves as a perfect example of how the best of intentions go astray, and serve only to really impact those who AREN’T criminals.

Originally Posted by sangha

So you say

SCOTUS disagrees

Talk to me about DC v. Heller, please… or McDonald v. Chicago. Where did the Supreme Court rule that a law abiding citizen should be shot in the street for exercising a right? If you think this is acceptable, well… I’m at a loss.

Originally Posted by theangryamerican

...I’m sure it’s because NYC’s citizens are kept so much safer by one of the most corrupt police departments in the country, but I digress, this is another topic entirely....

NYC is the safest large city in the USA, and one of the safest cities in the USA.

I hang out in the East Village, Park Slope, the Lower East Side, till 1 am, then take the subway home through Queens.

I feel PERFECTLY safe, as do most other NYers. But if folks feel that NYC is too scary & dangerous to come to, they are welcome to stay on the farm and in the hills.

Originally Posted by theangryamerican

I can accept that, though the individuals in your link were already criminals and likely headed to jail even if they hadn’t been offered the other option.

Yeah, but the issue here is the first amendment, specifically the establishment clause and the free expression clause. The net effect of something like this is that someone who's already religious gets a free pass to commit certain crimes (because the punishment they'll receive is something they're already inclined to do), while someone who isn't religious is forced to jump through some hoops (i.e. to be punished). That's a problem (b/c religiously discriminatory and b/c it has the effect of a government entity endorsing religion). But also a digression...

Originally Posted by theangryamerican

In my opinion, this “one guy” is indicative of a larger problem in the city, and that is what I mentioned in the OP, rabid hoplophobia, clearly in conflict with citizen’s rights. He is just an example of the point taken to an absolute extreme. I’m sure no one arguing for “common sense gun control” as Bloomberg calls it thinks it’s ok to fine someone $30k for attempting to sell toys, but this nonetheless serves as a perfect example of how the best of intentions go astray, and serve only to really impact those who AREN’T criminals.

I don't disagree with any of that. Obviously whatever law this stems from is, at the very least, being applied in an insane way. I don't think it's as clearly in conflict with citizens rights as you seem to. We are, after all, talking about a piece of plastic and not actually a real gun. But again, my thing isn't the notion that this law is crazy, but the implication that New York is somehow a terrible place to live because this law is crazy.

Originally Posted by sangha

NYC, the so-called "liberal stronghold" hasn't had a liberal mayor for more than 10 years. Funny how it's OK to go back more than 10 years, but it's wrong when I talk about what has happened since

Wait, so NY is a red state? :

Fine, let’s go back further than 10 years. When was the last time a NYC mayor supported the 2^nd Amendment?

Originally Posted by sangha

Your claim of unconstitutionality is stupid. I don't see where the 2nd amend protects the rights of children to keep and bear toy guns

You are correct, toys are not addressed in the Constitution. However, as previously stated, this is simply an example of how far the 2^nd Amendment has been hobbled in NYC. Case in point, you can’t even own a ridiculous plastic toy, because it might too closely resemble a firearm. Really? You don’t see a problem here?

Originally Posted by theangryamerican

...You are correct, toys are not addressed in the Constitution. However, as previously stated, this is simply an example of how far the 2^nd Amendment has been hobbled in NYC. Case in point, you can’t even own a ridiculous plastic toy, because it might too closely resemble a firearm. Really? You don’t see a problem here?

airsoft & paintball guns are very legal in NYC.

Originally Posted by theangryamerican

Talk to me about DC v. Heller, please… or McDonald v. Chicago. Where did the Supreme Court rule that a law abiding citizen should be shot in the street for exercising a right? If you think this is acceptable, well… I’m at a loss.

No one said anything about how a citizen "should be shot". Please stop posting dishonest fictions

Originally Posted by theangryamerican

...Talk to me about DC v. Heller, please… or McDonald v. Chicago. Where did the Supreme Court rule that a law abiding citizen should be shot in the street for exercising a right? If you think this is acceptable, well… I’m at a loss.

I think you may have posted this in the wrong thread.

Originally Posted by theangryamerican

Wait, so NY is a red state? :

I never said it was a red state, though it does have a history of electing republican senators and governors. Please stop posting dishonest fictions. Try to respond to what I actually said, instead of what you would like me to have said

Fine, let’s go back further than 10 years. When was the last time a NYC mayor supported the 2^nd Amendment?

They all do

You are correct, toys are not addressed in the Constitution. However, as previously stated, this is simply an example of how far the 2^nd Amendment has been hobbled in NYC. Case in point, you can’t even own a ridiculous plastic toy, because it might too closely resemble a firearm. Really? You don’t see a problem here?

No, the 2nd doesn't say anything about toy guns. Whether or not I see this as a problem, that still doesn't make it a 2nd amend issue.

Originally Posted by Thunder

airsoft & paintball guns are very legal in NYC.

Wrong with your gun facts as always, even your replica gun facts.

Under New York City Public Safety Law Section 10-131, it is unlawful for any person to sell or offer to sell, possess or use or attempt to use or give away, any imitation firearm which substantially duplicates, or can reasonably be perceived to be, an actual firearm unless the entire exterior surface of such toy or imitation firearm is colored white, bright red, bright orange, bright yellow, bright green, bright blue, bright pink, or bright purple, either singly or predominant color in combination with other colors in any pattern.