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    From truffles to fox furs, U.S. ships more than food to Cuba
    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/americas/cuba/story/1220161.html
    
    BY MARTHA BRANNIGAN
    mbrannigan@MiamiHerald.com
    September 5, 2009
    
    When President Obama announced plans in April to ease the embargo by lifting family-travel restrictions to the island and allowing U.S. telecommunications firms wide latitude to do business there, many analysts said the policy changes could significantly expand ties between the estranged neighbors -- assuming Havana responds positively to the overture.
    
    But fairly significant commerce has been going on since the Trade Sanctions Reform and Enhancement Act of 2000 opened the door to U.S. food and medicine exports to Cuba -- despite the tense relationship between Havana and Washington and a trade embargo that has spanned nearly 50 years.
    
    U.S. agricultural exports to Cuba hit a record $711.5 million in 2008, as prices for commodities soared. That makes the United States Cuba's fifth-largest trading partner overall.
    Its amazing that they have to import chickens. Is their an easier farm animal to rise than a chicken? And over there seems to be very little sea food. After all, it’s an island. Do fish not bite a hook in Cuba? Cuba has some of the most fertile fishing waters in the Caribbean. Chickens are “self sufficient" and reproduce like crazy, yet they are imported.

    Of course there is sea food in Cuba but only for tourist, .the Cubans doesn’t have access to sea food or beef. This has been going on for years, .they eat soy beef instead. The real embargo that the Cubans suffer has a name "Fidel & Raul". As soon as they are removed from power in Cuba, they will have access to everything they need.

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    Re: Embargo? What Embargo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandokan View Post
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    From truffles to fox furs, U.S. ships more than food to Cuba
    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/americas/cuba/story/1220161.html
    
    BY MARTHA BRANNIGAN
    mbrannigan@MiamiHerald.com
    September 5, 2009
    
    When President Obama announced plans in April to ease the embargo by lifting family-travel restrictions to the island and allowing U.S. telecommunications firms wide latitude to do business there, many analysts said the policy changes could significantly expand ties between the estranged neighbors -- assuming Havana responds positively to the overture.
    
    But fairly significant commerce has been going on since the Trade Sanctions Reform and Enhancement Act of 2000 opened the door to U.S. food and medicine exports to Cuba -- despite the tense relationship between Havana and Washington and a trade embargo that has spanned nearly 50 years.
    
    U.S. agricultural exports to Cuba hit a record $711.5 million in 2008, as prices for commodities soared. That makes the United States Cuba's fifth-largest trading partner overall.
    Its amazing that they have to import chickens. Is their an easier farm animal to rise than a chicken? And over there seems to be very little sea food. After all, it’s an island. Do fish not bite a hook in Cuba? Cuba has some of the most fertile fishing waters in the Caribbean. Chickens are “self sufficient" and reproduce like crazy, yet they are imported.

    Of course there is sea food in Cuba but only for tourist, .the Cubans doesn’t have access to sea food or beef. This has been going on for years, .they eat soy beef instead. The real embargo that the Cubans suffer has a name "Fidel & Raul". As soon as they are removed from power in Cuba, they will have access to everything they need.
    You seem to have an axe to grind.

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    Re: Embargo? What Embargo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    You seem to have an axe to grind.

    Cuban expatriate?
    Why don't you comment about the article? Your question is irrelevant, nothing to do with the Thread.

    Cuba imports ketchup, mostly from Spain (that is a long way to ship what are basically tomatoes with water and a little salt) and some from Mexico. Can’t these Socialist Genius figure out how to make ketchup? To me it sums it all up in a nutshell, and exposes the complete and utter failure of the Socialist system in even the most basic of industries, and their inability to feed their own population on a tropical island with more land mass than all other Caribbean islands combined.

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    Re: Embargo? What Embargo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandokan View Post
    Why don't you comment about the article? Your question is irrelevant, nothing to do with the Thread.
    It's a perfectly valid question. All you seem to post is anti-Cuban garbage.

    Cuba imports ketchup, mostly from Spain (that is a long way to ship what are basically tomatoes with water and a little salt) and some from Mexico. Can’t these Socialist Genius figure out how to make ketchup? To me it sums it all up in a nutshell, and exposes the complete and utter failure of the Socialist system in even the most basic of industries, and their inability to feed their own population on a tropical island with more land mass than all other Caribbean islands combined.
    Ok, so if the embargo is basically non-existent, then why not lift it?
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    Re: Embargo? What Embargo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    It's a perfectly valid question. All you seem to post is anti-Cuban garbage.
    It seems that you like garbage, since you keep coming back like the bee to the honey.

    In Cuba people earn about $18 dollars a month. They get a miserable government rations that lasts them about ten days. You can certainly buy food in communist Cuba, but you pay just about the same amount of money that a free person would pay in the USA. A hamburger in Cuba cost $3. How can a person making $18 a month at a government job afford a hamburger?

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    Re: Embargo? What Embargo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandokan View Post
    It seems that you like garbage, since you keep coming back like the bee to the honey.
    What can I say, we all have our vices

    In Cuba people earn about $18 dollars a month. They get a miserable government rations that lasts them about ten days. You can certainly buy food in communist Cuba, but you pay just about the same amount of money that a free person would pay in the USA. A hamburger in Cuba cost $3. How can a person making $18 a month at a government job afford a hamburger?
    So why not lift the embargo?
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    Re: Embargo? What Embargo?

    Communism is the social system which institutionalizes envy, which uses pressure and the organized violence of the State to expropriate wealth from those who produce. Everything is shared by everyone and control by the government, there are no incentives to work and compete. A large percent of the Cuban people fake that they work, and the farmers do the minimum, since the regime pay them the minimum.

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    Re: Embargo? What Embargo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandokan View Post
    Communism is the social system which institutionalizes envy, which uses pressure and the organized violence of the State to expropriate wealth from those who produce. Everything is shared by everyone and control by the government, there are no incentives to work and compete. A large percent of the Cuban people fake that they work, and the farmers do the minimum, since the regime pay them the minimum.
    Rabid anti-Communism aside, you still haven't answered my question; if the embargo isnt working, why keep it up?
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    Re: Embargo? What Embargo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Rabid anti-Communism aside, you still haven't answered my question; if the embargo isnt working, why keep it up?
    It is often said that the trade and investment embargo on Cuba be lifted because it has “failed.” But what is meant by this?

    The effect of the embargo on Cuba has partially fulfilled its objectives. It prevented Castro from obtaining loans and lines of credit that would allow him to finance his permanence in power and avoiding the growth of the indebtedness of Cuba without benefit for the population. Presently the Cuban regime’s debt has risen to $22 billion with the countries of the old socialist campus, $29.7 billion with the European Union [5], plus other $8 billions to Japan, Venezuela, Argentina and other countries. This accounts for a staggering debt of $60 billions. Cuba: Lift the Cuba Embargo?
    Measured by those parameters, U.S. sanctions have been successful in Cuba, and should be maintained. U.S. policy shouldn’t be used to bail out a failed dictatorship and help it survive.

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